Longshot97

Ooh. Theory: Kwaan somehow made it into the Cognitive Realm. There, he would have seen how metal glows, and made a few extrapolations. No evidence, just fun to consider

I feel the need to point out that you would have less power. This isn't a huge thing, but it would prevent Mistborn from pulling a Wax and drilling bullets through walls and wood plans. Though, in hindsight, duralumin could serve. I wonder if a person could construct an aluminum-lined gauntlet to have bullet-like ammunition to be ejected from the wrist. More convenient, less conspicuous, and easier (theoretically) to aim. Though, the most intuitive aiming system would likely involve ammunition from the chest, like Wax's steel bullet trick. This probably comes down to a matter of personal preference. Remember that debate Marsh and Vin had, on the merits of constantly Smoking (heh) versus Seeking? Say...would an aluminum hat prevent Seekers from hearing Allomantic pulses?

I was casually reading The Lost Metal when I came across an interesting description of everyone's favorite character: Allomancer Jak. In the above excerpt (emphasis mine) we see a couple of faulty descriptions of Allomancy. Flight obviously refers to Coinshots or Lurchers. Eating rocks is, technically, a very good description of what Allomancers do to fuel their abilities. The talking to birds, though...that's a new one. As best we know, no Allomantic ability is capable of this. Obviously, the story is conflating a few different aspects of Scadrial's magic systems under the broad term "Allomancy" and we can't expect a miner in (what was very likely) the Roughs to get all the details right. So, where did Wayne's mother get the idea of talking to birds? Well, the obvious answer is a kandra. Obvious, so long as you have a modicum of sanity left to you. But I, free from the mortal constraints of such petty things as rationality, had a thought. What if Wayne's mother wasn't conflating Hemalurgy with Allomancy, but Feruchemy? We're all familiar with how F-Duralumin works to a certain extent by now. Tap blank Connection in a foreign land, and you are instantly able to speak and comprehend the local language, albeit with an accent. The implication is that this is among the simplest application of Feruchemical Connection, and that more sophisticated uses likely exist. So, I propose a fairly intuitive extrapolation. What if you somehow manipulated Connection to facilitate communication between animals? Inherently, a Feruchemist tapping Connection could make animals more trusting. So, this isn't a huge step forwards. But, yeah. This was just fun to type out. Thoughts? Longshot97

Which is fair. I mean, Plate and Blade are both metallic manifestations of Investiture---in other words, literal God Metals. They also require a source of Investiture as power. It's not unreasonable to have an opponent equipped with similar resources. I wonder if an easy way to view these sort of "Who Would Win" scenarios is relative access to Investiture. Let's explore that. Shardplate and Shardblade Just a metric ton of metallic Investiture, famously enough to resist Allomantic influence. The presence of gemstones infused with gaseous Investiture also helps their case. So, who would have access to comparable levels of Investiture, and would they be a good match? Elantrians Access to way more Investiture in the right circumstances, and even outside those circumstances (at least theoretically). Versatility is also a factor. Elantrians have no direct improvements to durability or strength, but this can be overcome. Conclusion: Can and will mop the floor with Shardbearers. Bit of a glass cannon, but no contest really. Mistborn Less overall Investiture, but access to highly dangerous flavors of it. Not nearly as much of a glass cannon, though little helps against a Shardblade. Conclusion: Skill and environment depending, a Mistborn would at least pose a challenge. Full Feruchemist No directly offensive forms of Investiture. Against an opponent in strength-and-speed-boosting armor, as well as a sword that cuts through anything, I think Feruchemists would struggle. Maybe with enough Investiture, they could survive, but finding ways of winning would be a test of ingenuity. Conclusion: Potential access to comparable levels of Investiture. At comparable levels, has a greater chance of victory. Otherwise, chances of survival are improved. Fullborn No contest. Conclusion: No. Awakeners Suffer from a lack of bodily enhancements. Awakened material could easily be destroyed by a Shardblade, and it would take a lot of force to shatter Shardplate. This is where comparable levels of Investiture again plays a role. The God King, for example, easily outstrips any Shardbearer, and would emerge victorious without breaking a sweat. Conclusion: How much Breath? Sand Masters Hmm... Sand Masters don't technically have much Investiture. However, measuring the amount of Invested sand they have on hand, as well on their innate capacity for Sand Mastery, may suffice in this regard. Conclusion: More raw power, more likely to survive. Skill obviously plays a role, but raw force is necessary to shatter Plate. However, the eyeslits do exist.

Callsign: Quadriceps Amusingly, the English transliteration of my last name is letter-for-letter present in the above word. That's all I'm willing to say.

Purely out of curiosity, do you have any evidence to back this claim? Supposedly, Feruchemy protects the user from over-using its abilities, the only thing supporting this is F-Steel's inability to negate air resistance. Oh, you see talk of Iron Compounders crushing themselves, or Brass Compounders melting alive, but nothing in-text supports this. This begs the question: what would oversaturation of oxygen produce? If the body were somehow protected from excessive oxygen (similar to how F-Iron doesn't let the user crush themselves) what would that produce?

The first words of The Hero of Ages: "Marsh struggled to kill himself." Absolutely chilling. It's no wonder he's dedicated himself to Harmony. This is a goal he understands, and he can seek atonement with what time he has left. Just...beautiful.

Tress of the Emerald Sea would make a hilarious musical.

Elantris was fine, actually /j

I am now convinced that all Scadrian buffet places have rules against Subsumers. Change my mind. I would argue that in a modern setting, F-Bendalloy becomes a less useful metal. Sure, it helps with budgeting and whatnot, but on the whole, if you live in urban or suburban areas, sustenance is not really an issue. So it remains useful, but less so.

Seems plausible. Vin pulls this stunt whenever she duralumin-boosts her A-Steel, in order to prevent herself from being torn apart. Probably, to achieve invincibility against modern weapons, you would need Wayne-at-the-end-of-TLM levels of Pewter to survive.

In the spirit of walking away with as many abilities as possible, I would choose A-Pewter and F-Tin. Most versatile Metallic Arts, I think. A-Pewter grants enhanced strength, speed, balance, fortitude, durability, healing. F-Tin? Enhances senses (duh), negates pain, improves balance, increases proprioception, and like more.

It's even more striking when you realize that this all occurred to Preservation's plan. This was the only way to help Scadrial. Any other way, and there would have been a planet-wide extinction. I wonder if any Shardworlds have ever experienced true planet-wide extinction events...Ashyn, I guess?

So, I'll edit the WoBs in later, Brandon has said that replacing the part of your Spiritweb associated with the Metallic Arts would require quite a bit of F-Gold. You can simply skip to the end, the bold text is the important stuff.

So, as of The Sunlit Man, we know Sigzil became a Skybreaker. This has caused some consternation, as Sigzil bonded an honorspren, like the vast majority of Bridge Four. This has led to some theorizing, and I am here to "help." This WoB came from Dragonsteel 2023 (emphasis mine). Unless there is another highly obvious candidate, I am here to propose that this is in fact Sigzil. Support evidence? Well...I am the first to admit that we do not have much, beyond the fact that Sigzil needs to bond with Auxiliary at some point. So, here are the points of evidence I have managed to collect. Evidence 1: I cannot think of anyone else the above WoB could refer to. If anyone here has a better idea, this evidence becomes forfeit. Evidence 2: Sigzil was reluctant to join the diplomatic mission to Shadesmar in RoW. He claims that the spren there would be very upset with any Windrunner, which is valid. But what if he also fears more? He could fear being revealed to be a Skybreaker (given spren cannot hide themselves in Shadesmar) or how other spren would react to a highspren (given the opinions other spren have expressed). That's basically it. Thoughts?

YKYASFW you cite Dalinar Kholin as an example of "Leadership" for your National Honor Society entrance essay. Not that...I would know anything about that...

Oh, I like that. Say, what happens when a Surgebinder uses Lightweaving to generate the Anti-Tone to Stormlight? Does the construct self-destruct? 36. Laser eyes. Need I say more? 37. X-ray vision, but with a twist. Instant irradiation, and a subsequent slow and painful death.

Oh, what fun. Also, my friend, this is pure evil. You have my respect. 29. Perfectly mimicking a target's appearance to invoke some doppelgänger-esque horror. Bonus points if the disguise is ever so slightly off, for more Lovecraftian style. 30. Making a rope bridge look much more rickety than your pursuers think, buying you some time. 31. The inverse. Make your pursuer think there's a bridge over a chasm, but there isn't. 32. Trap your opponent in an auditory dead zone. (This one I'm less sure is possible, as it depends in Lightweaving can only generate waveforms or manipulate existing ones.) 33. Make a hemlock berry look like an innocent blueberry. Then leave in the general vicinity of an opponent. 34. Create an illusion of food/water/shelter/allies/something valuable that the pursuer can just see, but never reach. (Again, less sure of this one.) 35. Conjure a horde of Lightweaved (Lightwoven?) enemies that you then dispatch with supernatural ease, to make yourself look very powerful.

Can't believe I never found this. Everything looks incredible, and I may have an addiction to documentation of the people behind such creative projects...eh, 98% of what you learn at school is a waste anyway. Everything looks amazing, and it was an absolute treat reading through your creative process and personal thoughts. Thank you for posting this, it has made my day.

Related Idea: Awakened Wax Walls. Command them to re-form into a specific shape, no matter what. So when a Shardbearer tries to hack through, they are defeated. Foolproof plan, absolutely nothing could go wrong.

I have a WoB on that. So, not likely a Shard, or an Avatar. It could be a Splinter, but most sapient Splinters seem region-locked. like spren or seons. Also, how did it form a perpendicularity? It's innate Investiture shouldn't be enough to create a perpendicularity, to our knowledge. Has it been collecting Investiture from the Iriali for some time now? According to the Coppermind, those present feel "drained" after Cusicesh descends.

So, A-Pewter is a wondrous thing. It provides enhanced speed, strength, balance, dexterity, durability, healing, and hardiness. It seems to Push every positive physical attribute that exists. It is, in a word, overpowered. Thank Harmony A-Pewter is limited by the power ceilings of Allomancy, especially in its post-Era 1 diluted form. After all, imagine if a person could increase the enhancements provided by burning pewter. They would be nearly unstoppable. They would heal faster, hit hard, break harder, move swiftly, and more. They would have impeccable balance. They might theoretically be immune to all poisons, drugs, and foreign substances. Yep, so glad there's no way to hack this. Oh wait... Alrighty then. Feruchemical attributes can be tapped at abnormally high rates, at the cost of net loss of stored power. Thus, Windwhisperers can hear further than Tineyes, Brutes can lift more than Thugs, and so on. Feruchemy can manifest impressive amounts of Investiture in a single glorious burst, as opposed to Allomancy's more steady burns. A-Pewter strength can be stored in a metalmind, which can then be tapped later, potentially at higher rates. This is great. I have several questions now, inspired by this post. Could the appropriate Twinborn Compound a pewtermind containing A-Pewter strength? Benefits: A-Pewter strength does not increase physical mass. Does this have any effect, or does such a metal produce the same amount of Investiture as burning normal pewter? Is this actually limiting, since such a metalmind would only provide A-Pewter's strength, with nothing else? Could a Full Feruchemist store each of the attributes enhanced by A-Pewter? They could fill steelminds, goldminds, bronzeminds, pewterminds, and tinminds with the powers of Allomantic Pewter (for my reference, that stores the enhanced speed, healing, wakefulness(?), strength, balance, dexterity, and probably more). And...yeah, that's about it. Thoughts?

It's a very good thing linchpin stamps exist, otherwise the only way to utilize these power boosts would be to somehow levitate a giant stone pillar into stamping motion, which I don't think anyone wants to deal with. I do question what extra power would offer in Forgery. Then again [Spoilers for Mistborn] Could unlikely transformations become permanent with more power? I feel like that sort of defeats the spirit of Forgery, but who knows. I'll take it one step further. What about ChayShan? Could a larger person channel more Dor as they engage with the forms? Either naturally larger people, or someone like a [Spoilers for Cosmere]. Or maybe entire groups of JinDo can collectively perform a very complex form, and channel the Dor as a group? I wonder if ChayShan is purely a combative art, or if physical movements translate to other uses of Investiture.

Oh, I just had a stupid idea. F-Iron (technically) enhances mass. So, its not quite the theory that's at play that allows speed bubbles to function on moving trains, but maybe these kind of mental gymnastics are what allow Metalborn to do these sorts of incredible things? Beyond that, this thread was an absolute treat to read, thank you guys for theorizing so extensively.

You are absolutely correct, I should have addressed this. A Feruchemist is capable of expressing the entirety of a metalmind's stored attribute within a second or so. This grants them an immense surge of power, such as ungodly strength, bewildering speed, or temporary immortality. The issue I am addressing is the power lost. The issue is that in order to express more than 150% of a given attribute, some Feruchemical reserves must be sacrificed for the sake of greater power. These are the "diminishing returns" I cited in the title of this post. Now, I think this can be avoided with Allomantic Duralumin, which supercharges Invested Arts (an oversimplification, but a fairly accurate one) in order to compress Feruchemical attributes. The outside manifestation of Investiture should prevent the loss of Feruchemical reserves while still achieving the same hypercharged effect.