cometaryorbit Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 People can see into/partly enter the Spiritual Realm, but not go there bodily. SH says people burning atium are "transcending the Physical Realm", and since future sight is a Spiritual effect, they must be partly there. Brandon says Elend's duralumin+atium burn pulled "most of him" into the Spiritual. But even then Elend was still Physically bodily standing there in front of Marsh. Becoming a Shard does put someone in the Spiritual, but their body disappears in the process.
Quantus he/him Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 On 3/9/2023 at 1:29 PM, cometaryorbit said: People can see into/partly enter the Spiritual Realm, but not go there bodily. With the caveat that Oathgates and some similar Teleportation effects are very likely to go through the Spiritual Realm, it's just not a "place" that you can stop and exclusively exist in. But anything that Exists at all has some level of Spiritweb in the SR and that sort of emits the rest of the spiritweb pattern into existence. On 3/9/2023 at 1:29 PM, cometaryorbit said: SH says people burning atium are "transcending the Physical Realm", and since future sight is a Spiritual effect, they must be partly there. Brandon says Elend's duralumin+atium burn pulled "most of him" into the Spiritual. But even then Elend was still Physically bodily standing there in front of Marsh. Honestly, Stormlight has better examples of the distinction between Peering into the Cognitive realm and bodily travelling there, but this is the wrong board for that. On 3/9/2023 at 1:29 PM, cometaryorbit said: Becoming a Shard does put someone in the Spiritual, but their body disappears in the process. Becoming a Shard makes the person collapse all three realms into a conglomerate perpendicularity, where they exist in all of them. It's just that the vast majority of their new Self is just that big ball of Power which itself naturally exists in the Spiritual Realm. But it gets pulled into the Physical Realm wherever the Shard is physically residing, which is the core of what a Shard "Investing" in a world is.
cometaryorbit Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Quantus said: With the caveat that Oathgates and some similar Teleportation effects are very likely to go through the Spiritual Realm, it's just not a "place" that you can stop and exclusively exist in. But anything that Exists at all has some level of Spiritweb in the SR and that sort of emits the rest of the spiritweb pattern into existence. Honestly, Stormlight has better examples of the distinction between Peering into the Cognitive realm and bodily travelling there, but this is the wrong board for that. Becoming a Shard makes the person collapse all three realms into a conglomerate perpendicularity, where they exist in all of them. I think there's a Cognitive-Spiritual difference here, though. Bodily existence in the Cognitive is possible, but not in the Spiritual. So "looking in" is all that's really possible for embodied beings (sure, everyone and everything has a Spiritual aspect, but leaving the Physical for the Spiritual isn't really possible short of Ascending). I don't think Shards themselves are Perpendicularities, though they're usually associated with one. Shards are basically Spiritual by default - their "bodies" are things like atium and lerasium and harmonium, or the Mists. If a Shard hasn't manifested any of that... Of course, the power of Ruin and Preservation is in everything on Scadrial, but I think that's in the Spiritual aspects of things not their Physical ones. A rock on Scadrial is "of" Ruin + Preservation (or Harmony), but it isn't Harmony's body - harmonium is.
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