The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 9 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: Can completely relate to Steeldancer. We had a brief period of a more manageable thread, but nearly 20 pages in 48 hours is simply not manageable. I haven’t played in a while, and don’t know whether this is a phenomenon new to this game, or a trend, but do think it’ll split the community if unaddressed. On a happier note, the result I got was that of the eight players involved in the tie, two were Eliminators and six SE players. This is not at all normal. The biggest problem I think is that there is no end in sight, since I just proved that using you're final vote doesn't kill you, and we have some 30 players or something like that. That is good. I don’t know if I'm actually going to do any analysis, but I might. 1 hour ago, Shining Silhouette said: Can dead players use their roles? Can they be target for RP? Edit: Forgot about this lol. I guess I have my eyes on TJ and Ash, then The nice thing about being in a small POE is that it's even smaller for you than other people As someone who is frequently in said PoE as both elim and village, it's just very scary that you might die any moment as elim, and very annoying when everyone decides to kill you.l as village.
Mat he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 Personally, I’d rather not discourage activity. I far prefer this to 1-2 page turn threads. I agree there’s a line to walk here though. Analysis post to come in a few hours when I’m off mobile— I know a few other players have done that already but I still want to
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 Do I do this now… @Matrim's Dice, is your role a TM?
Mat he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 Just now, Ashbringer said: Do I do this now… @Matrim's Dice, is your role a TM? I believe the answer to that would be 'no' It is a TC, though. Working on an analysis post, hopefully someone beats me to finishing that.
Mat he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) EDIT: Posted without thinking. Sorry >> We may not have flips, but we have numbers! Quote Steeldancer (4): Archer, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, The Known Novel Walin (4): Matrim's Dice, Shining Silhouette, Steeldancer, TJ Two of the above (non-bolded) names are elim. We also have clears! Quote Steeldancer (4): Archer, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, The Known Novel Walin (4): Matrim's Dice, Shining Silhouette, Steeldancer, TJ Drake is clear for killing Tani (or, sorry Mr Pacifist, Stick killed Tani ). TUN is clear for being killed by the elims (I think? That's what Drake said, yeah xD). I'm clear for being scanned by AnonPMSpider (and also my GM PM). So our two are in (Archer, Ash, Shining, Steel, TJ) e!Steel and e!Walin worlds compared to v/v worlds are very different. Obviously. As I think has already been said, e!Walin points to Archer/Ash and e!Steel points to one in TJ/Shining, plus Steel. Actually, though, due to the lack of a Tani interference and a lack of resistance to the tie in general, I'm inclined to lean v/v. Walin didn't seem very invested in his survival and I still read Steel as pure just based on posts. Counterargument: If the trains are v/v, why would elims join the trains at all? Either they're in the more trusted group (TJ, Archer) and joined to cast shade on the less trusted (Ash, Shining, Steel) or it's as simple as they were online when the idea was proposed and couldn't get out of it for fear of being caught that way. Which I think could be anyone but I don't remember exactly. I guess I don't have anything else to add other than agreement of the general PoE this gives us. Though I do think it's hilarious that people are forgetting I was scanned. Whether willfully or not. I can agree with a Shining kill tonight if Drake would be so bloodthirsty and I'm reconsidering my read on TJ just out of PoE. Archer... I keep forgetting is in this game xD I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. His posts haven't stood out in any special way, and the last time I strongly village read him he was evil so maybe that just points to village :P. Edited February 4, 2023 by Matrim's Dice
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Counterargument: If the trains are v/v, why would elims join the trains at all? My thought is that if the elims didn't join at all, then they would have eight villagers fully cleared and that doesn't seem very nice for them
Mat he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 Just now, Shining Silhouette said: My thought is that if the elims didn't join at all, then they would have eight villagers fully cleared and that doesn't seem very nice for them ...Oh, right Fair point, fair point.
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) For reference, Ash, Archer, and Drake were on Steel from before Orlok revealed, and Mat, TJ, and Shining were on Walin from before Orlok revealed. Idk if that info was going around in PMs before it was sent in thread, but only TKN and Steel actually added themselves to the tie group. A side note on Bookwyrm - unless the Elims did have knowledge of Xino's Multiquoter role, I don't know why E!Bookwyrm would actually target Orlok. Unless Xino was evil. But if Xino was evil, we're in a decent spot anyway. Edit: I have another post but don't want to double post it someone please post >> Edited February 4, 2023 by Ashbringer
Channelknight Fadran Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 @Amanuensis @|TJ| I'm down for doing troll protection thingies, though I was also hoping to learn the true purpose of my Confirmed Villager role
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Channelknight Fadran said: @Amanuensis @|TJ| I'm down for doing troll protection thingies, though I was also hoping to learn the true purpose of my Confirmed Villager role If you're down to Troll me, I might just attempt to kill someone tonight (Bip? )
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 Quote Steeldancer (4): Archer, Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, The Known Novel Walin (4): Matrim's Dice, Shining Silhouette, Steeldancer, TJ So, what do we got? Near-Confirmed (Good): Drake, TKN Drake is our Coinshot, and killed Tani and Xino. Tani has been openwolfing, and while we don't particularly have a reason to E-read Xino, we don' particularly have a reason to V-read him either. But the N1 Tani kill is enough to say Drake is Village. TKN was the N2 Elim Kill, and was decently village read enough to make sense as one. Especially if Tani was Elim, doesn't make sense for Elims to kill one of their own N2 and then spend their vote D3. And here's the thing - if TKN is Elim, then that's one more Elim we've already taken care of. Almost-Near-Confirmed (Good-): Matrim Matrim has been scanned as Village by an Unknown PM Spider (UPS). I don't clear him as much as the other scannees, because the other ones have public clearers and it seems like it was UPS's idea to scan Mat specifically. I do think I know who UPS is, but that's both good and bad, because Elims could probably figure it out and secretly Troll. We also don't know what Mat is, which leaves the chance of surprise roles a bit more. But for now, it's good enough. (Also E!Mat and E!Steel would be too convenient for V!Me for me to feel great about heavily tinfoiling on either right now.) Together Forever (Good-?): Archer, TJ TJ is a Wallposter (?) and Roleblocker, and has been backed up by Archer to have visited Mat N2 (and thus not Aman). Archer is a PM Spider, and backed up that TJ visited Mat N2. Thus tying these two together. Two Elim Roleblockers would be interesting, and even possible, but the other possibility is these two are our Elims. I don't really think that's the case, but it's possible. Otherwise I don't have a solid read on either of these - they both seem Village enough, but I've been focusing on actions and roles more than reads. Pinchhitter (Sus-?): Steeldancer Steeldancer I... don't know what to do with. I'm still confused why he didn't try to use Lynchbait, but more things make sense from inactivity or role hiding than malice. E!Steel could have just claimed to have grabbed Stab Voter and then was waiting to see if Striker actually revealed it or not. Or, not have claimed at all. Burning Light (Sus): Shining Silhouette Shining Silhouette I think I read the most Elim. They've been managing to get into second place in my and other's PoEs significantly, and have wiggled out of a lot of pressure even when that pressure is coming from more confirmed players. Also, no role. I Am The Ashbringer: Ashbringer Ashbringer is me, and I think it's time to come clean. I've been playing this quite deliberately, because for the first few turns I was both actively trying to figure out the game and passively trying to draw a misexe. Only Mat or Shining really pushed me early though, and then it was a few of the confirmed (Wizard). I was also trying to do my traditional balance of trying to avoid both the Elim NK and the Vigilante NK, which is why I talked to Stick a bit more than others especially N2. I was playing a bit like a Thug, trying to keep NKs away as long as possible while not really being scared of the Removal. Well, it's close, because as far as I can remember I've never been a Thug. And I'm still not this time. I am a Thread Master, which makes me immune to being executed. And there is no chance that with this game that role goes to an Eliminator.
Mat he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I do think I know who UPS is, but that's both good and bad, because Elims could probably figure it out and secretly Troll. We also don't know what Mat is, which leaves the chance of surprise roles a bit more. I thought UPS was maybe you, tbh. Guess not. Also, anyone paying really close attention who also has a good memory could totally figure out what I am 13 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: I am a Thread Master, which makes me immune to being executed. And there is no chance that with this game that role goes to an Eliminator. I wouldn't say no chance. This is blackout, and do you know Kas and Fifth? Plus we started with maybe three Coinshots and multiple scans with a whole lot of role copying that essentially doubles/triples that potential, so yeah, I could see that role being given to an elim. Maybe not as likely as to a villager though. Kinda hard not to see this as you lying but that's me in an old tunnel and you're right that your TWTBAW play makes more sense in this light. Edited February 5, 2023 by Matrim's Dice
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Channelknight Fadran said: Ashbringer Bring it on But we are kinda in the same boat. Village roles, but there's only one RandBy to go around and making sure we don't mess up the D3-8 is best. 6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I thought UPS was maybe you, tbh. Guess not. Also, anyone paying really close attention who also has a good memory could totally figure out what I am Edit: accidentally posted early hold up I think I know who it is, but I could be entirely wrong. You I'm not sure. You said Day Action but not Vote Manip and also TC. I'd have to look to find more. I also have another role that could come in handy, that if people were paying really really close attention they'd see, otherwise just hinted at. Thread Master clears me better though.
Mat he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Bring it on It's also Night, so currently everyone can equally not be exed (And I added in the rest of my post, btw)
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Okay stopping the Edit chain 15 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I wouldn't say no chance. This is blackout, and do you know Kas and Fifth? Plus we started with maybe three Coinshots and multiple scans with a whole lot of role copying that essentially doubles/triples that potential, so yeah, I could see that role being given to an elim. Maybe not as likely as to a villager though. Kinda hard not to see this as you lying but that's me in an old tunnel and you're right that your TWTBAW play makes more sense in this light. If I was Elim, killing off the Terminal Seekers, Goalkeepers, and Pinchhitters would be a loss condition for the Village. It doesn't matter if the rest of the Village knew what I was, they still wouldn't be able to kill me. And the Village needs to kill all Eliminators in order to win. We've got a lot of potential kill power, yeah, but not infinite. If somehow E!Thread Master got rid of it all, then they'd just win after 10 cycles of surviving exes. Maybe there is a mechanic to ensure roles don't die out, but the thing is I am Village, and haven't heard of anything like that. Also, E!Me would definitely not claim this and would just let votes keep sliding away from me, but that's IKYK territory anyway. Idk how afraid of Drake E!Me would be.
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 @DrakeMarshall are you killing Silho tonight or am I?
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Do I have to die >> I can claim if you want
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Just now, Shining Silhouette said: Do I have to die >> I can claim if you want Better now than after, probably
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Just now, Amanuensis said: Better now than after, probably Well, the reason I didn't claim is cause I was worried about RPers and such stealing my role. Speaking of which, @Ashbringer, can RPers steal your role and become immune to the next cycle?? I'm a discussion leader and can move a vote if I so chose
Mat he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Okay stopping the Edit chain If I was Elim, killing off the Terminal Seekers, Goalkeepers, and Pinchhitters would be a loss condition for the Village. It doesn't matter if the rest of the Village knew what I was, they still wouldn't be able to kill me. And the Village needs to kill all Eliminators in order to win. We've got a lot of potential kill power, yeah, but not infinite. If somehow E!Thread Master got rid of it all, then they'd just win after 10 cycles of surviving exes. Maybe there is a mechanic to ensure roles don't die out, but the thing is I am Village, and haven't heard of anything like that. Also, E!Me would definitely not claim this and would just let votes keep sliding away from me, but that's IKYK territory anyway. Idk how afraid of Drake E!Me would be. I guess that's true. Seems like a decent explanation for the amount of KP and scan power we have though. It suits blackout well but would be a risky GM play so idk Considering you're in a PoE of like three other people with at least two possible coinshots tonight, I'd say pretty afraid :P.
Amanuensis he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 @Channelknight Fadran lemme know when you put the order in to Troll me, going to put a kill order in now
Ashbringer he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Just now, Matrim's Dice said: I guess that's true. Seems like a decent explanation for the amount of KP and scan power we have though. It suits blackout well but would be a risky GM play so idk Considering you're in a PoE of like three other people with at least two possible coinshots tonight, I'd say pretty afraid :P. We'd definitely deal with it better than the average Village, but it still feels too strong to deal with. ... pretty afraid, yeah. Hence the claim but if worst comes to worst, Pinchitters can still check on me and that'll hopefully be valuable enough. 5 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said: Well, the reason I didn't claim is cause I was worried about RPers and such stealing my role. Speaking of which, @Ashbringer, can RPers steal your role and become immune to the next cycle?? I'm a discussion leader and can move a vote if I so chose I'm pretty sure they could, yeah. But not in perpetuity. I... don't think I believe that. Vote manip has been incredibly weak so far. 3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: @Channelknight Fadran lemme know when you put the order in to Troll me, going to put a kill order in now ... so Aman, what do you think of my role?
Channelknight Fadran Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: @Channelknight Fadran lemme know when you put the order in to Troll me, going to put a kill order in now It is done.
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Just now, Ashbringer said: I... don't think I believe that. Vote manip has been incredibly weak so far. I am! I haven't had a reason to manip, but that's true! I was going to yesterday but there was the tie thing so I didn't. You'll notice I've brought up manip a couple of different times in thread, like yesterday when I was concerned with elims breaking the tie with manip I'm open to being scanned or proving my role in thread tomorrow if nobody shoots me so I don't lose it. I can move a full vote, so V!discussionleader is pretty good
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