Does Anti-adonalsium exist?

[Theskybreaker20 he/him]

Since Navani discovered the existence of Anti-investiture in Rhythm of war, does this mean that an anti-adonalsium could exist? 

Edited January 5, 2023 by Theskybreaker20

[Frustration]

Could in theory, but probably doesn't.

[AltonicKeys he/him]

If there was, there isn't anymore.

Also we don't know if it would be "anti-Adonalsium" or just "anti-general-investiture" but I'm gonna pretend it's the latter

So according to this WoB, all investiture was from Adonalsium, predating the Shattering. After the Shattering, all investiture got keyed to each of the 16 Shards.
Anti-investiture must have existed before the Shattering, because why would it only exist after? When the Shattering happened, anti must have been keyed to the Shards as well.

Edited January 9, 2023 by AltonicKeys

[Thanatos]

Brandon has said there is no anti uncle andy.

Im sure someone will find the WoB, im crap at it.

[NameIess]

I think this is the WoB @Thanatos was referencing. It doesn’t say that anti-Adonalsium is impossible to create, although it may be impossible similarly to how fabrials wouldn’t have worked before the shattering, as Adonalsium could have stopped anti-investiture from being creatable.

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Eric

In Secret History we learn the 16 Shards that Shattered Adonalsium. Was that done [on behalf of the anti-Adonalsium force]?

Brandon Sanderson

You’re focusing too much on this idea of an anti-Adonalsium. It—the original question I believe that was asked me was “is there a force that is opposed to Adonalsium” and it left me a lot of wiggle room. In other words, the people who killed Adonalsium, you could say were a force, any person who opposed Adonalsium... What they were trying to get was a “devil” but to do that you must assume Adonalsium was a more Christian-style God, and I haven’t confirmed any of that.

Calamity Chicago signing (Feb. 22, 2016)

[alder24]

Is there an anti-shard currently? No. So was there anti-Adonalsium? No. Can you make anti-investiture? Yes, Could you make anti-investiture when Adonalsium still was alive? Yes, nothing has changed, it was still investiture and it still could be made anti version from it. You just needed to find a wavelength opposite to Adonalsium. Did people back then know about anti-investiture? We don't know. Hard to say. I doubt tbf.

Investiture is all around, so any big amount of anti-investiture would annihilate in contact with investiture. Any anti-being would have a hard time avoiding investiture - how would it work with Spiritual Realm? It's full of Investiture, so how anti-investuture being could be there without imploding?

Edited January 7, 2023 by alder24

[cometaryorbit]

On 1/6/2023 at 0:17 PM, AltonicKeys said:

Anti-investiture must have existed before the Shattering, because why would it only exist after? When the Shattering happened, anti must have been keyed to the Shards as well.

Anti-investiture might be purely artificial, so if it was only invented in RoW, it probably didn't exist back then.

The potential to create it would have, but likely none was actually made.

[Knightweaver13]

I actually made a post on this topic as I had searched for it and couldn't find it, but yeah, I think it is a valid suggestion. I don't see why people think Anti Investiture was created in RoW, it was just implemented. Also many scientists do think that a parallel world exists somewhere made of antimatter, so yeah.

[Argenti he/him]

20 hours ago, Knightweaver13 said:

I actually made a post on this topic as I had searched for it and couldn't find it, but yeah, I think it is a valid suggestion. I don't see why people think Anti Investiture was created in RoW, it was just implemented. Also many scientists do think that a parallel world exists somewhere made of antimatter, so yeah.

Well, that parallel world is entirely inaccessible to us. It wouldn't be inaccurate to say that anti-ado doesn't exist in the cosmere- maybe it exists in the anti-universe, but we have no hints of parallel worlds in the cosmere, so that's just random theorizing.  
There can't be any anti-shard or anti-ado in the cosmere right now, any more than there's an anti-planet or anti-star. It would all be annihilated instantly in the spiritual realm. If it were in the physical realm, well, that has its own issues, and if it were in the cognitive, a mix of the two issues would have appeared by now.

[Riino He/Him]

On 1/6/2023 at 4:28 AM, Theskybreaker20 said:

Since Navani discovered the existence of Anti-investiture in Rhythm of war, does this mean that an anti-adonalsium could exist? 

No because you'd need to find the exact opposite wavelength as others have stated, and also due to the fact that yoou'd need to make the opposite for all of the 16 shards and then merge them together

[Nitpicking]

22 hours ago, Riino said:

No because you'd need to find the exact opposite wavelength as others have stated, and also due to the fact that yoou'd need to make the opposite for all of the 16 shards and then merge them together

The Shards did not exist before the Shattering. Brandon has said that Adonalsium could have been split into different pieces--this specific outcome was caused by the particulars of the way he was killed. One assumes he had his own single Rhythm.

[Riino He/Him]

18 minutes ago, Nitpicking said:

The Shards did not exist before the Shattering. Brandon has said that Adonalsium could have been split into different pieces--this specific outcome was caused by the particulars of the way he was killed. One assumes he had his own single Rhythm.

Yet that rhythm would inevitably be made up of all of the Shards' rhythms combined, and therefore, deducing Adonalisum's rhythm would be rather difficult.

[Nitpicking]

17 hours ago, Riino said:

Yet that rhythm would inevitably be made up of all of the Shards' rhythms combined, and therefore, deducing Adonalisum's rhythm would be rather difficult.

It's more complicated than that, even, because other shreds of Adonalsium's power exist outside the Shards, like The Wind.

[Riino He/Him]

6 hours ago, Nitpicking said:

It's more complicated than that, even, because other shreds of Adonalsium's power exist outside the Shards, like The Wind.

But wouldn't the Wind and such be affected if the relevant tone was played?