Mid-Range Game 60: Overexposure

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

3 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

If JNV defends Mat and Mat attacks JNV's defender, why does that make Mat/JNV simultaneous elims less likely? Would it not be a typical elim distancing tactic? You'd achieve distance without having actually attacked your teammate? We know now that JNV is village, so it doesn't matter as much, but I was just curious.

Again, I don't see how the conclusion follows unless you mean if they were elims they would've just voted on the most notorious villager at the time, regardless of identity or obviousness of elim vote activity?

It was more that Mat putting a vote on someone who didn't have any would not have been an efficient way to protect JNV. Not a great reason in retrospect.

It would have been easy for Mat to follow up 'want to see if Wiz is defending JNV' by voting JNV (1 vote) instead of Wiz (0 votes) and Conq had even more unnecessary vote dilution. Not necessarily that they couldn't be elims, just that preserving a teammate wasn't likely their goal with those votes.

17 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

Now that you mention it, I kinda see how Shining and Mat could possibly be teammates. However, Mat's blatant defense of Shining on C1 seems too strong an association between elims, no?

I have been looking more at Shining defending Mat than the other way around. Mat didn't defend Shining strongly when they were evil together in QF 62. Shining did try an unreasonably strong last minute defense of Mat in that game in the hopes that people would think it was too blatant for an elim to do and it didn't work. So maybe they wouldn't try that again if they were elims together.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

1 hour ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Hmm okay, so Mat didn't jump up to village lean in the second cycle. What do you think of him now?

Well, he defended me, so that was nice

Honestly don't really know at this point. Will do some more reading, but I think it's relevant enough to mention that his activity levels are much lower here than they were in the QF game.

42 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

Xino made a cryptic post C2 about the "meaningless votes on Devo" meaning something about Wiz. My initial reaction was to think they meant that the Devo votes were elim votes to save an e!Wiz. But then I realised one of the Devo votes was Xino themself, which just confused me even more. *shrug*

I believe this was actually Illwei. Personally, I took that to mean that everyone saw Wiz as suspicious so that's why the other votes were meaningless.

46 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

I don't see why you couldn't have just not voted if you felt neither target was suspicious enough to vote for? I might be misunderstanding here, but if JNV was less suspicious than Mat to you, then shouldn't your vote have been either on Mat, or on someone else or on no one, but not on JNV, even if it might not have made a difference to the vote? Maybe it was time pressure; you did mention you had no time to analyse that close to end of cycle. But I'd still like to ask this. 

My primary suspicion is still Shining, mostly due to his voting pattern on C1 and the Wiz vote on C2. I'm not going to vote right now as I've not typed out my reasoning yet and I'm not going to type out my reasoning right now because it is well past my bed time, and I might as well let Shining respond. Tomorrow is Saturday, so I should be able to post a little earlier than this.

Well, I was going to wait for JNV to respond before retracting my vote because although my gut said JNV was fine, I did have some issues with them myself. Also I wasn't prepared for rollover to come that fast XD

Honestly my thought process shouldn't be too different from other peoples'- I just voted for who I thought was suspicious at the time and then started to heavily doubt myself. And I haven't picked the best targets for my votes, but then again, so have most people playing so far.

 

[Conquestor he/him]

@Mark IV No, I have no more questions, your answers were very satisfactory. I wouldn't say I trust Xino though, they've hardly said anything, but voted on the same person as me. I would say I'm more neutral about him. Mark. Also, if no one else is going to do it... Shining. Why is everyone have a total lack of voting in them this cycle! @Shining Silhouette You and Mat seem like you two are pretty close... Mat has defended you for two cycles, you talked about voting on him instead of JNV in the first cycle, but conveniently change your mind after that cycle is over.

@Illwei Any words of wisdom??? I don't think Mat would stick out his neck for his teammate that much, but maybe he was trying to switch things up?

Teammates... I'm going to go back through cycles and try and figure out who could and probably isn't on a team/are coordinating.

[Mark IV he/him]

13 hours ago, Shining Silhouette said:

I believe this was actually Illwei. Personally, I took that to mean that everyone saw Wiz as suspicious so that's why the other votes were meaningless.

Roit. I meant to say Illwei in that paragraph. Mixed up Xino and Illwei as I was writing. 

 

7 hours ago, Conquestor said:

@Mark IV No, I have no more questions, your answers were very satisfactory. I wouldn't say I trust Xino though, they've hardly said anything, but voted on the same person as me. I would say I'm more neutral about him. Mark. Also, if no one else is going to do it... Shining. Why is everyone have a total lack of voting in them this cycle! @Shining Silhouette You and Mat seem like you two are pretty close... Mat has defended you for two cycles, you talked about voting on him instead of JNV in the first cycle, but conveniently change your mind after that cycle is over.

@Illwei Any words of wisdom??? I don't think Mat would stick out his neck for his teammate that much, but maybe he was trying to switch things up?

Teammates... I'm going to go back through cycles and try and figure out who could and probably isn't on a team/are coordinating.

Ugh, I meant you trusted Illwei and her v lean on Mat. 

I do want to vote, but I don't know what to vote for really. On the one hand, Shining's actions do seem suspicious at first glance. But, the reason's he's offering are just vague enough that they could be genuine C1/2 lack of info/gut reads rather than elim manipulation. I agree that Shining's trust in Mat after saying he was wary of him C1 is somewhat weird, especially this: 

13 hours ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Quote 14 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Hmm okay, so Mat didn't jump up to village lean in the second cycle. What do you think of him now?

Well, he defended me, so that was nice

Honestly don't really know at this point. Will do some more reading, but I think it's relevant enough to mention that his activity levels are much lower here than they were in the QF game.

Personally, I'd be somewhat suspicious of someone defending me so strongly so early on (it was strong by C1 standards by any rate). But, it's possible that Shining simply didn't think it suspicious or that an e!Mat's manipulation worked on Shining. I just don't know when to stop giving the benefit of the doubt, I guess. 

My primary issue is that, ideally, if I vote for Shining I want him to be able to defend himself. And for that, I need to have concrete allegations or something specific to point to that he would be able to counter properly if he were village. 

However, none of the cycles so far have been ideal and I don't think I can afford to wait around for concrete evidence either. Conq's right, this cycle's been rather tepid so far. And, I have a feeling I'll end up voting Shining by the end of the cycle if nothing changes anyway.  

(I'm not sure if I broke the nested quote box, but I managed to insert text into the header. 
Also, it's now showing me 6 of Devo's profile previews at the bottom of my page. That face is scary >.<)

Spoiler

 

They're still there! HELP!

 

[Mat he/him]

This game got away from me, sorry. I guess this goes to show I probably shouldn't play games during school, but it also isn't going to stop me in the future  I'll do better in later games of keeping up with everything, hopefully.

But now it's the weekend. Catch-up time! I honestly don't have reads on like anyone at this point, that's how out of the loop I am :/ and I don't like that. So here we go. Bulleted list of thoughts inside each cycle spoiler, plus a TL;DR inside each.

C1:

Spoiler

• Conq softed a decent role, don't think I didn't notice that :eyes:
• Was about to reiterate my v!dannex read before remembering he's dead. Did I mention I'm out of the loop >>
• xino is just acting elimmy but I don't necessarily think he's elim. Which is a weird sentece to write but I have the feeling most people agree with me. Across two cycles he basically posts twice, each a vote with self-proclaimed no reason behind them. And I don't know what to make of that.
• What at the time looked like v!Shining for having a similar mindset to me (thing in question here is his Danex vote) now looks like an easy vote and not quite as similar to my mindset as I thought.
• I still think Shining's confvilla plan is v!indicative, though, unless he's teamed with Devo. Which would make that whole interaction hilarious.
• Knowing Dannex and JNV are village makes Shining's naked switch basically pointless for e!them, especially if one of his teammates currently has a vote elsewhere in the count. The VC was so close, and JNV broke the tie, but Shining made it a tie again.

I ended with more reasons to v!read Shining than I had when this cycle ended the first time, tbh. I don't see why they vote the way they do as elim and their conf villa plan still has an air of village excitement about it. e!Shining I think leads to e!Devo but I'd have to look closer at specifically that. Mark reads like a helpful villager to me, as does Conq, but we run into Kas' problem and question here of "where are the elims?" if we just v read everyone.

C2:

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• Conq's first two posts don't sit quite right with me though, but I can't pinpoint the reason exactly. I guess he's just the lowest of my v reads. I think it's that his first post is a lot of stating the obvious and his second is like temperature reading for a Devo exe, but idk.
• Mark's response about low-info kills is potentially a deflect against the idea that the killer was active, that's interesting. I'll remember that. It'd be pretty bold for him to cite himself as a potential reason TUN was targeted, though xD
• Not sure if Illwei actually agrees with me or is just trying to pocket me lol
• xino is still just blatantly TWTBAW like I really don't understand
• I think a lot of my problem with the Shining suspicion is that it's directly linked to me as a consequence. And I know I'm village, and have that PoV.

A Shining/Devo team continues to be plausible through this turn, though. Cause even if both Devo votes weren't very good, Shining still put Wiz ahead once Devo got up there. Other than that still not a lot of temperature on anything and I'd lean the elims are more inactive/comfortable than we'd like :P.

C3:

Spoiler

• If Mark is an elim he's very self aware about it in his posts which is really funny, but I also feel like he's village so I'm just going to sit on that read for a bit.
• I... guess that's it? xD The only votes being two on Shining is worrisome.

Current state of reads:

Mark, Conq
Shining
Devo, xino, Illwei

And that list just feels so ehhhh to me. But I think for now I'll go on Illwei. She's stayed out of bit interactions, hasn't voted, and prodded along the v trains in a decently discreet way. To me the only way Shining is elim is if he's teamed with Devo so that'll have to wait to be figured out...

@ me with any questions about a bullet point in my summaries, I'll be happy to add more context to any of them. Theoretically will be around more today but you know.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

13 hours ago, Conquestor said:

... Shining. Why is everyone have a total lack of voting in them this cycle! @Shining Silhouette You and Mat seem like you two are pretty close... Mat has defended you for two cycles, you talked about voting on him instead of JNV in the first cycle, but conveniently change your mind after that cycle is over.

Let me clarify a couple of things. I'm fine being voted but we should get our facts straight because it's annoying when we have misconceptions

• I didn't talk about voting Mat in the first cycle. I only mentioned that in cycle two after Devo asked me where I would have put my vote had I moved it from JNV. This was more speculative.

This was the VC at that point in time:

JNV (4): Devo, Shining, Wiz, Mark

Mat (2): Conq, Dannnex

Wiz (1): Mat

Danex (1): JNV

Devo (1): Xino

The only way I could have moved my vote from JNV and have it mean something would be to move it to Mat and have it tie. Granted, if you skim my post, I guess it's easy to misread, but that's what I meant. So I didn't "change my mind", I just was thinking in "what if" would.

• I think Mat only really defended me C1? All he said about me C2 was that he saw me as "v lean" which I guess you could take as a defense but isn't really in my book cause no one was attacking me 

Some things to consider if those were the reasons you were voting me.

Edit: Well, there's another Mat post to take into account :P.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Shining Silhouette

[Mark IV he/him]

@_Stick_ Anything to say? Have you been able to catch up? We basically know nothing about your/Tani's role.

Just mildly poking you cause I'm going to be signing off in a couple of hours and I'd like to see what you have to say about things before the cycle ends.

[Stick. she/her]

1 hour ago, Mark IV said:

@_Stick_ Anything to say? Have you been able to catch up? We basically know nothing about your/Tani's role.

Gah not yet

Gimme literally just ten mins and ill be back with thoughts on C1

My role? Why do you need to know? What do we know about other people's roles? All I will say about Tani's is that she hadn't sent in any action orders. Might be roleless who knows 

 

edit:

C1 thoughts - 

Conq voted on Mat put Mat in the lead with 2 votes so I'm gonna say Conq/Mat not e/e as that is risky play, especially for C1

Mat/Shining not e/e due to Mat being extremely unsubtle about defending them. Although, it's interesting that I come to this conclusion considering I've never played against e!Mat (or e!Shining for that matter) so I really should not be projecting my own elim meta onto them. Retracting this statement - Mat/Shining could indeed be e/e

Devo's vote on JNV tied the votes 2-2 between Mat and JNV, and Mark's vote was, notably, the tiebreaker there so Mat/Mark possibly e/e, and Devo/Mat possibly e/e to a lesser extent

Shining then joins the bandwagon but appears torn. Also puts out statements a little contradictory. 

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now there have been several switches onto JNV without an opportunity for them to defend themselves

 

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I'll keep my vote, JNV, at least until you respond.

hmmmm

I'm tempted to read the hesitancy as village but?? Yeah. Question mark.

edit2:

Ended up taking 30 mins kek but in my defence I also had to read the rules first I really like the coin thing

 

edit3:

Okay sorry I reaaaally do not have time to go through C2 at the moment and it's 2 am so I'll throw my vote on Mat since he's the common denominator in all my c1 pairing reads and also I do not understand how the rollover time thing works but it is stressing me out so if people think there's good reasons I should not be voting Mat please tell me and I might switch over to another target if I see it in time.

@Archer since I've edited a vote in

Edited October 15, 2022 by _Stick_

[Archer he/him]

A minimum of 1.5 hours left! Please let me know if I've messed up this vote count. Pay no attention to the fact that Wiz questioned me last round and immediately got disappeared >:). 

[Mark IV he/him]

15 minutes ago, Archer said:

A minimum of 1.5 hours left! Please let me know if I've messed up this vote count. Pay no attention to the fact that Wiz questioned me last round and immediately got disappeared >:). 

Oh, I'd hate it if I got a disappear too! 

 

Just posting to say, in signing off for the day. While I'm less confident of my Shining vote now than I was before, Shining is still my primary suspicion (because v leaning Devo and Conq, no info on Xino, Illwei or Stick and I keep flipping on Mat as well).

Just a thought, but could a Mat +Xino/Illwei pairing work? I'll have to see tomorrow. 

Also, Shining seems rather composed about his impending death. That's somewhat interesting. I guess we'll find out if it means anything after rollover. 

 

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

17 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

Also, Shining seems rather composed about his impending death. That's somewhat interesting. I guess we'll find out if it means anything after rollover. 

Well, I'd really not like to die. Like, it'd be pretty nice to be able to play for a little longer.

But yeah if you guys have to kill me whatever I guess. Fwiw in my very relevant opinion I don't think I'm the best candidate to lynch this cycle, but now you guys are making me vote in response to that. 

So looking back at the info from Cycle 2 the double vote is either Devo or Mark. So @Mark IV, if it's you, when you see this in the morning I hope I'm still alive despite this.

Also @Devo, @_Stick_, @xinoehp512 and @Matrim's Dice I'd like it if you guys could go through the previous cycles and decide if you think I should be lynched. If so, then yeah guess I should be lynched, but if not, y'all should vote to save me.

I'll make a reads list in a minute

[Mat he/him]

26 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

Also @Devo, @_Stick_, @xinoehp512 and @Matrim's Dice I'd like it if you guys could go through the previous cycles and decide if you think I should be lynched. If so, then yeah guess I should be lynched, but if not, y'all should vote to save me.

I think there’s info to be gained from your flip, but since a lot of people are linking us and I know I’m village, that lessens the amount of info for me. If that makes sense. In general, I’d rather vote elsewhere and watch how other people react to the train, then adjust if needed.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

Ahhh okay gotta make this fast. Very brief thoughts for everyone just in case there's a quick rollover. Don't have much time to reference older posts so this is basically gut

Mat - Neutral for me at this point. Seems very different than when we were elims together, but that could also be intentional. I like his vote on Illwei because it feels different and not e/e with others. E!Mat could also be prepping a vote on Illwei later possibly

Illwei - Netural. Their first post feels good to me, though.

Stick - the fact that they mentioned the possibility of not having a role feels a little sus to me. slight elim

Conq - feels slightly different than other games. Slight elim

Xino - neutral. null

Mark - vil lean. feels genuine and trying to solve game

Devo - very very slippery for me. I'm awful at reading her

6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I think there’s info to be gained from your flip, but since a lot of people are linking us and I know I’m village, that lessens the amount of info for me. If that makes sense. In general, I’d rather vote elsewhere and watch how other people react to the train, then adjust if needed.

I feel like in all three other games I've played with you you've never explicitly said that you're village. Also in regards to the linking thing we have been the same alignment all my other games so I do vil read you a lot

I understand that. I guess I have to vote Illwei if I don't want to die right now. If I didn't have to vote for selfpres, I'd probably vote Conq.

[Mark IV he/him]

This is an emergency announcement to inform you that I am no longer suspicious of Shining. In fact, I have a strong Village lean on him. We have settled our differences over a nice private cup of tea. I'm not entirely sure I can say why though - it seems somewhat risky to.

That said, I don't want to leave the vote to a tie either, partly because vote manip and because of my aforementioned lean on Shining. 

Mat. I'm sorry there's not much you can do to change my vote now. The issue is mainly that if you're not elim then I have to revaluate my reading on Conq and Devo. I.e., you're the lowest

I was originally going to vote for Mat, but I think there's more to be learnt from keeping him alive, esp if he's village.

As such Xino. The only other vote candidate is Illwei, but I have a slight village lean on her as well. So, I'm forced to vote outside the pool.

It is possible (but rather unlikely) that Shining has tricked me. But, if he has, then I'd much rather just give up (based on the implications). So, I'm going to assume what we spoke of was, in fact, correct. 

 

E: Inb4 this comes off as a last minute elim tactic - e!Mark and e!Shining being forced to make up bad reasons to save e!Shining from the vote. 

Edited October 15, 2022 by Mark IV
Inb4

[Mat he/him]

7 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

I feel like in all three other games I've played with you you've never explicitly said that your village.

I doubt that’s true

@Shining Silhouette how do you feel about xino? Cause I sorta feel like it’s not useful to vote someone with as little posts but the same could be said in regards to Illwei, and at least xino has voted. Which is analyzable.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

I doubt that’s true

@Shining Silhouette how do you feel about xino? Cause I sorta feel like it’s not useful to vote someone with as little posts but the same could be said in regards to Illwei, and at least xino has voted.

I guess so. He just seems disinterested and I don't see that as suspicious. His "no, not really" feels good to me because I feel like an elim would give slightly more reasoning. But maybe not. I guess if Xino or Illwei, info is better, so I'll vote xino if you feel strongly that I should.

I also don't really want to vote illwei, though. Once more, if I had a free vote, I'd go for Conq.

[Conquestor he/him]

Just as I thought! I voted Shining to see if I could get this cycle a little more riled up and voila! It seems that in one way or another, people are attached to Shining, for some reason. It looks like it's Illwei versus shining, with the possibility that Mat could pull into the lead. I read Shining as neutral, but was testing to see if there were any connections i.e. if anyone really wanted them to die. I didn't really want to kill Shining, like how I didn't want Mark to die. I do think that it's interesting that both Mat and Stick came out to vote on separate people, perhaps proposing wagons that people might want to join instead of on Shining? I do doubt that though as Shining's recent posts really ring village to me.

Mat, I think he has been manipulating us using Shining as a shield to defend himself. He hasn't really given too many reads on other people, but seems pretty sure that Shining is village.

5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I doubt that’s true

@Shining Silhouette how do you feel about xino? Cause I sorta feel like it’s not useful to vote someone with as little posts but the same could be said in regards to Illwei, and at least xino has voted. Which is analyzable.

If this isn't fishing for votes, what is? What about all the other players Mat? I know that you are calling Shining out because he was selfpres voting, but this seems more like you are trying to save Illwei than actually trying to get Xino exed.

 

Edit:

@Shining Silhouette, you have a free vote now, no one is voting for you.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Conquestor
atting shining

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

55 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said:

So looking back at the info from Cycle 2 the double vote is either Devo or Mark.

Wizard was an odd-cycle double voter so that explains why there was a double vote C1 but not C2. You're probably not evil with Mark at least.

I don't know if Shining's the type to propose a plan he knows won't work/ fake not knowing the rules/suggest something he knows will be harmful just to be the first to say it. Taking this under consideration at least. Don't like the asking for help/being afraid to die but it does indicate lack of teammate support. Really it's just Mat and maybe Xino at this point as plausible. Having no thoughts about Xino is notable. I'm not sure what it means that Xino voted for me twice without explanation, especially since Wizard was village, but I'm sure it means something.

Illwei appears to support Mat and Shining and suspect Xino and Conq, though that depended on Wizard being evil, which he wasn't and she seems to have missed. What are your updated reads from Wizard being village @Illwei? Mat voting for him makes that team somewhat less likely, but they're not really in danger.

Mark switching to Xino is abrupt. I don't think there's any roles that make someone village except maybe unrestricted vote manip/favoured/selfless on a three person team, which can't be taken for granted. It doesn't make sense for e/e Mark and Shining unless Illwei is also evil, which is possible but I don't see why Shining votes Illwei in that scenario.

Edit: Mat over Illwei as a placeholder since I might miss the end of cycle.  @Archer

Mat (3): Stick, Conq, Devotary
Illwei (2): Mat, Shining
Xino (1): Mark

Edited October 15, 2022 by Devotary of Spontaneity
Edited in vote

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

3 minutes ago, Conquestor said:

Just as I thought! I voted Shining to see if I could get this cycle a little more riled up and voila! It seems that in one way or another, people are attached to Shining, for some reason. It looks like it's Illwei versus shining, with the possibility that Mat could pull into the lead. I read Shining as neutral, but was testing to see if there were any connections i.e. if anyone really wanted them to die. I didn't really want to kill Shining, like how I didn't want Mark to die. I do think that it's interesting that both Mat and Stick came out to vote on separate people, perhaps proposing wagons that people might want to join instead of on Shining? I do doubt that though as Shining's recent posts really ring village to me.

Mat, I think he has been manipulating us using Shining as a shield to defend himself. He hasn't really given too many reads on other people, but seems pretty sure that Shining is village.

If this isn't fishing for votes, what is? What about all the other players Mat? I know that you are calling Shining out because he was selfpres voting, but this seems more like you are trying to save Illwei than actually trying to get Xino exed.

Ahhh well I did genuinely see you as elim because your vote on me didn't make sense, but now I'm confused then cause where are the elims?

I'm fine voting Mat, actually. Your reasoning makes sense to me, especially since I've pocketed by Mat before (C1 of the QF). 

Illwei

Mat

3 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

I don't know if Shining's the type to propose a plan he knows won't work/ fake not knowing the rules/suggest something he knows will be harmful just to be the first to say it. Taking this under consideration at least. Don't like the asking for help/being afraid to die but it does indicate lack of teammate support. Really it's just Mat and maybe Xino at this point as plausible. Having no thoughts about Xino is notable. I'm not sure what it means that Xino voted for me twice without explanation, especially since Wizard was village, but I'm sure it means something.

Well I also am hurrying because the cycle can end any minute and I didn't have any thoughts on him just from the top of my head.

[Mark IV he/him]

6 minutes ago, Conquestor said:

Mat, I think he has been manipulating us using Shining as a shield to defend himself. He hasn't really given too many reads on other people, but seems pretty sure that Shining is village.

This is what I'm thinking too. I have a feeling lynching a v!Mat would be a fatal mistake, especially in the late game. But an e!Mat seems like a distinct possibility. Unfortunately, I really don't have the time to go back to C1 and re-analyse. 

If no one's voting Xino, then I might as well solidify the lynch on Mat. Don't want vote manip to mess things up (I'm more afraid of it now because it's about time we saw some elim vote shenanigans, but we've been voting for villagers so far, so they had no reason to do it yet. If e!Mat, then they're likely to play their hand if they indeed have vote manip). 

Getting the post out for now. Don't know when the cycle will end. I'll provide more justification tomorrow if req. 

Good night to everyone.

[Mat he/him]

12 minutes ago, Conquestor said:

Mat, I think he has been manipulating us using Shining as a shield to defend himself.

I don’t know what you think I’m manipulating, seeing as I didn’t even have solid reads until a few hours ago and have been among the bottom half as far as activity goes. I’m not a big thread voice this game. The shield metaphor doesn’t work since all I’m doing is sticking to my v Shining read.

12 minutes ago, Conquestor said:

If this isn't fishing for votes, what is? What about all the other players Mat? I know that you are calling Shining out because he was selfpres voting, but this seems more like you are trying to save Illwei than actually trying to get Xino exed.

…Why would I want to save Illwei? I’m voting Illwei. If you’re thinking we’re teammates, then why do I vote them in the first place?

As for ‘what about other players’, you said it yourself. The comment was specifically directed at Shining because the thread situation called for it. I think it’s funny you accuse me of fishing for votes when it would have been a better fish not to narrow the statement to Shining. The first two sentences in this paragraph are contradictory.

Feels like Shining just betrayed me xD but hopefully this shows that no, Conq’s reasoning doesn’t hold. Like at all :P. Wasn’t your biggest suspicion Conq? What changed in the last two minutes to you sheeping him?

Am I allowed to be worried that Mark is Shining’s elim teammate and faked the PM convo to get the train away

Edit: ok, now Mark voting me. So basically no one thinks I’m village. Definitely a winner of an exe when no one is defending me, that makes sense >>

Edit 2: Dunno when the cycle will end (obviously) but yeah that’s my final word— note the viewpoint shifts in regard to me, not the lack of resistance, be wary of Shining/Mark and Conq’s bad reasoning that apparently everyone decided to turn a blind eye to

Edited October 15, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Mark IV he/him]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Am I allowed to be worried that Mark is Shining’s elim teammate and faked the PM convo to get the train away

I did already mention this in my post *shrug*

(Maybe it was an elim doc convo?  )

[Mat he/him]

Seriously people

@Shining Silhouette @Mark IV @Devotary of Spontaneity @Conquestor

Do all of you think that my exe taking off with literally zero resistance and questionable reasoning results in my red flip. This is a legit question.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

 

Mat

Conq

Okay super volatile vote again, but I'm going to go for Conq.

I think I have an issue with being too gulible. (And this might be another instance of that) 

@Matrim's Dice

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Seriously people

@Shining Silhouette @Mark IV @Devotary of Spontaneity @Conquestor

Do all of you think that my exe taking off with literally zero resistance and questionable reasoning results in my red flip. This is a legit question.

That's why I just changed my vote.

Edit 1: sorry for the double post, that was meant to be an edit

Edit 2: 

7 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Conq’s reasoning doesn’t hold. Like at all :P. Wasn’t your biggest suspicion Conq? What changed in the last two minutes to you sheeping him?

This rings true to me. 

20 minutes ago, Conquestor said:

Just as I thought! I voted Shining to see if I could get this cycle a little more riled up and voila! It seems that in one way or another, people are attached to Shining, for some reason. It looks like it's Illwei versus shining, with the possibility that Mat could pull into the lead. I read Shining as neutral, but was testing to see if there were any connections i.e. if anyone really wanted them to die. I didn't really want to kill Shining, like how I didn't want Mark to die.

Also you did post this ten minutes after the earliest possible end time. When were you going to check?

Edited October 15, 2022 by Shining Silhouette