GroundPetrel Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) (EDITED because I cannot use hotkeys properly) OK so bear with me, this is going to be a bit insane. Also IDK if or how the timeline matches up. I think that Spoiler Autonomy/Bavadin is Trell, based on the process of elimination, previous WOBs, and Harmony's actions being the antithesis of that Shard's Intent. So what I'm thinking is--Kelsier/Thaidakar is interested in getting SOMETHING from Roshar. We know Talenel's Honorblade went missing (WOB), and it still hasn't been located. What if Kelsier's plan is to kill Spoiler Autonomy and take the Shard? He matches well with its Intent, and a zany scheme to trap and kill a god is absolutely his kind of scheme. So what if the Ghostbloods got wind of the Set's schemes and weird quasi-occultism, and decided to start using them in a scheme to take them out (because I don't think Kelsier is super on board with evil forced breeding programs), and kill their god on the bargain? What I'm thinking is this. Kelsier has Talenel's Honorblade and plans to use it as Spoiler Taravangian used Nightblood to kill Spoiler Bavadin and take Spoiler Autonomy to go on a Cosmere-wide god-killing spree? This also ties into an idea I've been kicking around where Kelsier might be trying to kill every god in the Cosmere except Harmony (who I suspect he still likes), either to reforge Adonalsium under Sazed's control, or just to break the Shards so they stop messing with people. IDK just my crack theory, please shoot me down lol. Edited September 23, 2022 by GroundPetrel me stupid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That1Cellist Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 I mean, I don't think an Honorblade would be capable of killing a shard's vessel. Even if it could, I'm pretty sure Thaidakar just wants investiture from Roshar to invest himself so that he can move off Scadrial, since he is currently stuck there. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundPetrel Posted September 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 Blast, you're right. Ah, man, and I thought I had a good crack theory, too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtide_Leviathan Posted September 24, 2022 Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 You are right that a zany scheme to kill a god and steal its powers is up Kelsiers' alley though, i mean he's tried it before after all 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundPetrel Posted September 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Stormtide_Leviathan said: You are right that a zany scheme to kill a god and steal its powers is up Kelsiers' alley though, i mean he's tried it before after all Given what we've seen of him in this era, I legit wouldn't be surprised if he's succeeded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcclure7 Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) On 9/22/2022 at 11:01 PM, GroundPetrel said: (EDITED because I cannot use hotkeys properly) OK so bear with me, this is going to be a bit insane. Also IDK if or how the timeline matches up. I think that Reveal hidden contents Autonomy/Bavadin is Trell, based on the process of elimination, previous WOBs, and Harmony's actions being the antithesis of that Shard's Intent. So what I'm thinking is--Kelsier/Thaidakar is interested in getting SOMETHING from Roshar. We know Talenel's Honorblade went missing (WOB), and it still hasn't been located. What if Kelsier's plan is to kill Reveal hidden contents Autonomy and take the Shard? He matches well with its Intent, and a zany scheme to trap and kill a god is absolutely his kind of scheme. So what if the Ghostbloods got wind of the Set's schemes and weird quasi-occultism, and decided to start using them in a scheme to take them out (because I don't think Kelsier is super on board with evil forced breeding programs), and kill their god on the bargain? What I'm thinking is this. Kelsier has Talenel's Honorblade and plans to use it as Reveal hidden contents Taravangian used Nightblood to kill Reveal hidden contents Bavadin and take Reveal hidden contents Autonomy to go on a Cosmere-wide god-killing spree? This also ties into an idea I've been kicking around where Kelsier might be trying to kill every god in the Cosmere except Harmony (who I suspect he still likes), either to reforge Adonalsium under Sazed's control, or just to break the Shards so they stop messing with people. IDK just my crack theory, please shoot me down lol. Possibly but I don't think you'd be able to use an honor blade the same way he used night blood. We have no evidence that honor blades consume investiger The way nightblood does. And we have no evidence at Odium or any of the shards think that the honor blades are a threat. Edited September 26, 2022 by bmcclure7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 This is an awesome idea, and Kelsier might totally try something like this, but I don't think it would quite work as described. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Reading Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 1:47 PM, GroundPetrel said: Blast, you're right. Ah, man, and I thought I had a good crack theory, too. Do not worry, crack theories need not worry about petty things such as counter arguments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormblessed0421 Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 11:01 PM, GroundPetrel said: (EDITED because I cannot use hotkeys properly) OK so bear with me, this is going to be a bit insane. Also IDK if or how the timeline matches up. I think that Hide contents Autonomy/Bavadin is Trell, based on the process of elimination, previous WOBs, and Harmony's actions being the antithesis of that Shard's Intent. So what I'm thinking is--Kelsier/Thaidakar is interested in getting SOMETHING from Roshar. We know Talenel's Honorblade went missing (WOB), and it still hasn't been located. What if Kelsier's plan is to kill Hide contents Autonomy and take the Shard? He matches well with its Intent, and a zany scheme to trap and kill a god is absolutely his kind of scheme. So what if the Ghostbloods got wind of the Set's schemes and weird quasi-occultism, and decided to start using them in a scheme to take them out (because I don't think Kelsier is super on board with evil forced breeding programs), and kill their god on the bargain? What I'm thinking is this. Kelsier has Talenel's Honorblade and plans to use it as Hide contents Taravangian used Nightblood to kill Hide contents Bavadin and take Hide contents Autonomy to go on a Cosmere-wide god-killing spree? This also ties into an idea I've been kicking around where Kelsier might be trying to kill every god in the Cosmere except Harmony (who I suspect he still likes), either to reforge Adonalsium under Sazed's control, or just to break the Shards so they stop messing with people. IDK just my crack theory, please shoot me down lol. Ok, I see what you're saying, and logically I know this is just for fun, but I'm still gonna try to rebut this! So with Roshar, I think Kell's trying to get portable investiture to figure out how to leave Scadrial. With the Shard, I'd say it's more likely that Kell takes Ambition than Autonomy. With the god-killing spree... I completely agree, Kell's just the kind of psychopath who'd kill a dozen infinite gods so they'd stop messing with people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Stormy Posted September 28, 2022 Report Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) Kelsier becomes (Thor 4) Spoiler Gorr the God-Butcher. Edited September 29, 2022 by Shallan Stormblessed Whoops, thought that was a spoiler tag. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundPetrel Posted September 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 15 hours ago, Stormblessed0421 said: Ok, I see what you're saying, and logically I know this is just for fun, but I'm still gonna try to rebut this! So with Roshar, I think Kell's trying to get portable investiture to figure out how to leave Scadrial. With the Shard, I'd say it's more likely that Kell takes Ambition than Autonomy. With the god-killing spree... I completely agree, Kell's just the kind of psychopath who'd kill a dozen infinite gods so they'd stop messing with people. Isn't Ambition Spoiler splintered though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundPetrel Posted September 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 Anyway yeah thanks for reassuring me, guys, you're all so sweet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yumiya Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 0:01 AM, GroundPetrel said: Harmony's actions being the antithesis of that Shard's Intent. Harmony largely is for free will, to the point of being unable to act. He does have agents like Kandra, but they are not forced. They choose to serve. Why do you think Harmony is the antithesis of Autonomy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitkay Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 9/25/2022 at 1:36 AM, GroundPetrel said: Given what we've seen of him in this era, I legit wouldn't be surprised if he's succeeded. I like to think that the reason BrandoSando has been so cagey about the survival Shard is that Kelsier is making moves to become its Vessel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundPetrel Posted October 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 On 10/26/2022 at 6:42 PM, Yumiya said: Harmony largely is for free will, to the point of being unable to act. He does have agents like Kandra, but they are not forced. They choose to serve. Why do you think Harmony is the antithesis of Autonomy? Harmony has a network of agents manipulating the events of society and has had them for centuries. Based off of Bleeder's motivations I feel that an Autonomy take could be "this guy is interfering with autonomy by creating a manipulative organization". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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