Araris Valerian he/him Posted August 17, 2022 Posted August 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vorros said: Sorry for double posting but I can’t figure out a good way to multi quote on mobile. D1 I opened a PM with Luck and channeled. N1 I just channeled. Can you specify what your channeling actions were? Are either of them confirmable by another player?
Conquestor he/him Posted August 17, 2022 Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, Vorros said: Sorry for double posting but I can’t figure out a good way to multi quote on mobile. D1 I opened a PM with Luck and channeled. N1 I just channeled. Well, what did you channel? Also, @Lucksprendo you sign off on his pm action? Votes! Edit: Mat (1): Vorros Vorros (6): Mat, Conq, Shining, Luckspren, Araris, Sart
Vorros Posted August 17, 2022 Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Yeah? Because in the scenario I proposed, there is no contact, it's just you. So anyone you named would counterclaim, and we'd at least know that Vorros was never scanned. @Vorros, did you take a confirmable Channel action during the previous night? Unfortunately no. I failed to do my action. D1 I channeled Harden Air (lmao) and N1 I did Heal. Edited August 17, 2022 by Vorros
Luckspren she/her Posted August 17, 2022 Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Conquestor said: @Lucksprendo you sign off on his pm action? Yeah, we have a PM from D1 that he started 4 minutes ago, Vorros said: D1 I channeled Harden Air (lmao) and N1 I did Heal. Who'd you block, and who'd you heal? Edited August 18, 2022 by Luckspren 2
Vorros Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) I blocked Araris in case he was able to do anything to change it from Illwei to Conq, then I healed Luck. I got a success on the Harden air and a fail on the Heal. Either way, I’m 100% confident Mat and/or his contact is lying, so I’d really like to find out who that is. Edited August 18, 2022 by Vorros
Sart he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, Vorros said: But if you use physical actions, your odds of your weave succeeding go down. I wanted to make sure my odds of my weave succeeding as high as possible (it didn’t help). Next, I was caught doing two physical actions, so if I channeled it would have only caught my other action if I did one. Another possibility is that Mat is a villager, but his informant is an elim giving false information. Mat needs to put his partner so that when I flip V we can hold both of them accountable. 15 minutes ago, Vorros said: Sorry for double posting but I can’t figure out a good way to multi quote on mobile. D1 I opened a PM with Luck and channeled. N1 I just channeled. You've just contradicted yourself. You didn't want to do a physical action on N1 because it would interfere with your weave, but you did a physical action on D1 and weaved at the same time. I can argue thought processes all day long, but this is too much. I'm keeping my vote where it's at.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) I really don't see any reason for Mat's contact to stay silent at this point. I'd bet there are several players available that can Heal, so we really aren't putting anyone in more danger. And there isn't a dedicated action scan role either, so if the contact is telling the truth, Vorros flips elim, and the contact gets NKed, that is still a great outcome for the village. Edited August 18, 2022 by Araris Valerian
xinoehp512 he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Conquestor said: Well, what did you channel? Also, @Lucksprendo you sign off on his pm action? Votes! Edit: Mat (1): Vorros Vorros (6): Mat, Conq, Shining, Luckspren, Araris, Sart *Conquestor (1): Xino Why are we worrying about the contact being NKed? Surely a stat of 2+ spirit isn't that rare. 1
Vorros Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sart said: You've just contradicted yourself. You didn't want to do a physical action on N1 because it would interfere with your weave, but you did a physical action on D1 and weaved at the same time. I can argue thought processes all day long, but this is too much. I'm keeping my vote where it's at. How is that a contradiction? Heal is a much more complex weave than Harden Air, so I wanted to hedge my bets.
Mat he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I really don't see any reason for Mat's contact to stay silent at this point. I'd bet there are several players available that can Heal, so we really aren't putting anyone in more danger. And there isn't a dedicated action scan role either, so if the contact is telling the truth, Vorros flips elim, and the contact gets NKed, that is still a great outcome for the village. It’s their choice, I’m still unwilling to. I don’t want this to be the reason they die :P. I know there’s a lot of heals but there’s no guarantee on those. Idk maybe I’m overthinking this If they choose to claim, that’s totally fine but I want it to be their choice
Vorros Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 Bruh. If they’re the elim and you’re a villager then if you don’t put them you are leaving yourself as the last possible misyeet for them to win the game. Because in no way are they gonna kill you when I flip green.
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: It’s their choice, I’m still unwilling to. I don’t want this to be the reason they die :P. I know there’s a lot of heals but there’s no guarantee on those. Idk maybe I’m overthinking this If they choose to claim, that’s totally fine but I want it to be their choice It was me. I traced Vorros last night and watched him perform a kill and RB. All your arguments make sense, and I see no more reason to hide. 1
Luckspren she/her Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said: It was me. I traced Vorros last night and watched him perform a kill and RB. All your arguments make sense, and I see no more reason to hide. Well, now I'm definitely not moving my vote. I kinda trust Mat, but you're my most solid V!read at this point.
Vorros Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 Why would you lie about it tho? It doesn’t accomplish anything other than throwing.
Luckspren she/her Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Vorros said: Why would you lie about it tho? It doesn’t accomplish anything other than throwing. Why would who lie about what?
Shining Silhouette he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vorros said: Why would you lie about it tho? It doesn’t accomplish anything other than throwing. No lies, just being cautious about info.
Mat he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Vorros said: Why would you lie about it tho? It doesn’t accomplish anything other than throwing. Exactly :P. I mean, don’t get me wrong, you definitely played well. Like I said, I’d probably still be v reading you without the Trace.
Luckspren she/her Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I’d probably still be v reading you without the Trace. So would I.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 Asking for the contact's identity would only help if Mat was evil and lying about a contact, which I suppose was possible but now doesn't seem to be the case since Mat and Shining are both up for execution if Vorros is village. Less reason to hide since Aes Sedai have an 80% chance of being able to Trace. Hard to see this as a ploy since the elims don't win until it's impossible for the village to win, so counting on 4-3 with vote manipulation when plenty of villagers could have vote manipulation, kills, and protects is far too risky to expose two members. Vorros. 1
Conquestor he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, Shining Silhouette said: It was me. I traced Vorros last night and watched him perform a kill and RB. All your arguments make sense, and I see no more reason to hide. Well, there's no denying this then. Thanks for coming out Shining. This really makes this real for me. I'll just get this out of the way now. I'm an Aes Sedai so anyone that wants to join me for a heal on Shining as a night action, I guess let me know.
Vorros Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 I have some questions for you. Obviously I know that it’s a lie, but nobody else seems interested. I wish I had set up an RT first before this happened to me (that was the plan with xino). Why did you decide to “trace” me? What was the point of having Mat deliver the news when one or now possibly both of you are gonna be yeeted tomorrow anyway? The RT is also extremely fakeable. 1) Both Araris and Devotary claimed to be roleblocked, and 2) A singular kill went through, which means that any possible lightning was blocked. An E.Blademaster is super feasible, especially considering how two people were roleblocked. It doesn’t take a genius to come up with a plausible fake trace. All the information to come up with it was there in the outed information. It would have been more convincing to me (not that it would have convinced me of anything) if this info was outed before the RB claims and they confirmed the RB, but because it was done out of order it’s even more proof that it was faked.
Mat he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Vorros said: Why did you decide to “trace” me? What was the point of having Mat deliver the news when one or now possibly both of you are gonna be yeeted tomorrow anyway? I already answered that. Twice, I think. At least the second question. afaik Shining just traced a bunch of people and yours worked, but you’ll have to clarify that with him. 25 minutes ago, Vorros said: The RT is also extremely fakeable. 1) Both Araris and Devotary claimed to be roleblocked, and 2) A singular kill went through, which means that any possible lightning was blocked. An E.Blademaster is super feasible, especially considering how two people were roleblocked. It doesn’t take a genius to come up with a plausible fake trace. All the information to come up with it was there in the outed information. It would have been more convincing to me (not that it would have convinced me of anything) if this info was outed before the RB claims and they confirmed the RB, but because it was done out of order it’s even more proof that it was faked. Shining told me far before I heard about the RBs, but there isn’t really a way to confirm that. The first suspicion I started to place on you came in my Conq post, which came before the RB news, and that was after I knew you were evil. But again, what’s the point of faking this trace? Getting two elims killed for one villager? That is not a good trade. ‘More proof that it’s fake’ is an interesting way of phrasing it when there isn’t really any proof of that at all, quite the opposite if anything. Edited August 18, 2022 by Matrim's Dice
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted August 18, 2022 Author Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Sart said: ...wait, that's a good point. @Matrim's Dice you're claiming that the scan saw both a role-block and a kill? The only way that's possible is if Vorros is an E!Blademaster. That's not... not possible, but it would be rather surprising. The other alternative is that the scan saw an Earthquake/Harden Air weave, but that doesn't make sense according the wording of Trace. Let me get GM clarification. @The Unknown Novel does Trace also detect Weave actions, such as Earthquake or Harden Air? Also, does it reveal targets for the actions that were done? That would be a valuable piece of info. No and no.
Vorros Posted August 18, 2022 Posted August 18, 2022 40 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: But again, what’s the point of faking this trace? Getting two elims killed for one villager? That is not a good trade. You see, I don’t think both of you are elims. You are right that that would be dumb. But if one of you are an elim, then you can toss it up in the air which one of you or Shining it is, but the Forsaken can use compulsion to throw it their way. That means that once I die, the next wagons are gonna be you and shining, but the correct one doesn’t die, and then boom, we lose. If I die, we lose. Personally, I think it makes much more sense for it to be Shining Silhouette out of the two of you since you are carrying his message and he confirmed.
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