Mid-Range Game 56: Day of Reckoning

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Oh also, my action currently isn't actually on Kas, it's on Stick. I just actually remembered Kas's character name, so that's who I used for my demonstration. @Kasimir Hope you don't mind.

MY NAME ISN'T EVEN MORDETH

WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS  

God, this is a major case of "This is exactly how much you RP that other players can't even remember your name" :sob:

Szeth Devo

Edited to add: Believe Stick to be a bad choice unless you feel the need to resolve that train. Your ability won't be a deterrent unless you copy a likely Elim, due to NK issues. Given Stick has claimed a power role, unless you think she's Evil, the only thing stopping the Elims for going for a two-for-one is ethics. Which, to be fair, they might actually have given the current attitude to neutrals. But that's one hell of a risk to take.

Edited February 14, 2022 by Kasimir

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Nathan walked amongst the people in the camp. "Come one, come all!" He yelled, trying to avoid thinking about how cold he was. "Anyone wanna see a magic trick?"

It took him a long time to gather a decent crowd for what he wanted to do. Once he'd finally gathered enough people, he picked out someone from the crowd.

"Can I get a volunteer? I have a very prestigious magic trick I would like to show you." No one responded, and Nathan sighed to himself. They still didn't quite trust him, even after he had revealed his nature as an Epic. Most people didn't buy that he wouldn't do something to them at the drop of a hat. He still didn't understand how getting over his fear of the cold had managed to cure him of his insanity, but he wasn't going to complain.

He sighed, and pointed at someone in the crowd. "Mordeth, come here. Since no one has volunteered, can you be my volunteer?"

After a moment, Mordeth came forward. Nathan steeled himself and touched the man, then let the change take him over. He assumed Mordeth's appearance. Before the crowd could react, he kicked a rock on the ground and groaned. At the same time, Mordeth grunted, holding his own foot in pain.

"I am sorry for the bluntness of my demonstration," Nathan said, "but if I'm going to work with you all, I need to be more clear about my powers. And what they do. I tried to make myself appear more dangerous than I really was. I was hoping it might deter the truly dangerous Epics that are surely hiding among us."

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So, I was not completely truthful with my powers. There were definitely kernels of truth in my claim, but I lied about certain aspects in an attempt to keep myself alive. For clarity: my ability lets me choose a player to mimic, in a way. Any actions that hit me also hit them. To be fair, I assumed it was a bit more like what I claimed, at first. That nothing that hit me would actually hurt me, and would simply shift over to another target. But when TJ told me that I would also be affected, I came up with this plan of claiming a bit different of a version of my powers to try and deter the elims from killing me. Especially because my wincon is a more long-term one, unless I get really lucky.

I hope you all can forgive me for this. I had reasons for obfuscating my role, in an attempt to try and stay alive. I am still willing to help the village through the use of my role, I just won't be able to be used as a sort of alignment scanner.

Oh also, my action currently isn't actually on Kas, it's on Stick. I just actually remembered Kas's character name, so that's who I used for my demonstration. @Kasimir Hope you don't mind.

Fun! Thank you for sharing more (even though you could still be lying, but I'll take it at face value until we can prove it or prove otherwise).

Who did you use your action on yesterday?

Edited February 14, 2022 by Amanuensis

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

5 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

So, I was not completely truthful with my powers. There were definitely kernels of truth in my claim, but I lied about certain aspects in an attempt to keep myself alive. For clarity: my ability lets me choose a player to mimic, in a way. Any actions that hit me also hit them.

Striker is telling the truth about this now, or being more honest at least. Since I have no chance against a rioter, I'll claim neutral Epic Hunter (not the real name). I have to kill X Epics total (at least one each of village and elim) with the exe or Y kills. I can scan someone for Epic powers every cycle instead of using a kill, and C1 I scanned Striker as an Epic, which then also bounced off and scanned Kas as an Epic. I still think there's a good chance Stick is evil for how weirdly hostile everyone is being, and do still want to kill mostly elims if possible, but also any kind of Epic isn't the worst thing for me so . @Thaidakar the Ghostblood what makes you think Archer is an elim Rioter?

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

GUYS. trust me Archer is an elim. TRUST ME. they are a rioter. I have proof. they were messaging TJ and Elandra sometime before. I found out by hovering my mouse above their names. ELIM IS A RIOTER OR A SOOTHER. 

Oh right, this?

So Thaidakar, we don't really use evidence like that in these games out of good spirit. We let people's activity in thread / Player-to-Player-messages dictate our info, not something like viewing a PM.

That said, it could very well be unrelated. A lot of players use PMs outside of games, and Archer could also be modifying his questions to ask Mat.

Edited February 14, 2022 by Amanuensis

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Striker is telling the truth about this now, or being more honest at least. Since I have no chance against a rioter, I'll claim neutral Epic Hunter (not the real name). I have to kill X Epics total (at least one each of village and elim) with the exe or Y kills. I can scan someone for Epic powers every cycle instead of using a kill, and C1 I scanned Striker as an Epic, which then also bounced off and scanned Kas as an Epic. I still think there's a good chance Stick is evil for how weirdly hostile everyone is being, and do still want to kill mostly elims if possible, but also any kind of Epic isn't the worst thing for me so . @Thaidakar the Ghostblood what makes you think Archer is an elim Rioter?

Well, he was messaging them just as the first cycle was ending which could mean he is an elimination

Edit: oh, k, I will do that next time @Amanuensis

Edited February 14, 2022 by Thaidakar the Ghostblood

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

C1 I scanned Striker as an Epic, which then also bounced off and scanned Kas as an Epic.

@StrikerEZ Did you target me C1?

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Striker is telling the truth about this now, or being more honest at least. Since I have no chance against a rioter, I'll claim neutral Epic Hunter (not the real name). I have to kill X Epics total (at least one each of village and elim) with the exe or Y kills. I can scan someone for Epic powers every cycle instead of using a kill, and C1 I scanned Striker as an Epic, which then also bounced off and scanned Kas as an Epic. I still think there's a good chance Stick is evil for how weirdly hostile everyone is being, and do still want to kill mostly elims if possible, but also any kind of Epic isn't the worst thing for me so . @Thaidakar the Ghostblood what makes you think Archer is an elim Rioter?

Alright, I think I'm officially back on the crazy train. Scoot over Kas.

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Alright, I think I'm officially back on the crazy train. Scoot over Kas.

Lesgo bro

[Experience he/him]

Devo you should probably scan Archer... Unless you die...

[StrikerEZ he/him]

16 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

MY NAME ISN'T EVEN MORDETH

WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS  

God, this is a major case of "This is exactly how much you RP that other players can't even remember your name" :sob:

....I even double checked the player list, saw that I remembered the name wrong, and forgot to change it.

6 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Fun! Thank you for sharing more (even though you could still be lying, but I'll take it at face value until we can prove it or prove otherwise).

Who did you use your action on yesterday?

So, funny story. I had it set to Araris. But got redirected to Kas. Which means Kas got redirected to himself. So he just Rioted himself, which means he just cancelled his vote.

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

@StrikerEZ Did you target me C1?

See above.

Also I could definitely buy that claim Devo. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Is a team of Araris/Devo/Striker crazy enough to pull off a simultaneous reveal like this?

Half joke, half sincere.

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said:

So, funny story. I had it set to Araris. But got redirected to Kas. Which means Kas got redirected to himself. So he just Rioted himself, which means he just cancelled his vote.

Rioters can't Riot themselves. According to TJ's rulings, if I got redirected to myself, the action should've registered as a failure and my vote wouldn't be cancelled. But TJ told me my action succeeded.

This is either a lie or a GM error.

@|TJ| Get in the GM PM, sir. We are going to have Words.

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

Here is some proof I have that Archer is an elim Here.

[Experience he/him]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Is a team of Araris/Devo/Striker crazy enough to pull off a simultaneous reveal like this?

Half joke, half sincere.

It crossed my mind to have a possibility for striker/devo team because they could both be lying about it together. 

[Orlok Tsubodai]

1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said:

....I even double checked the player list, saw that I remembered the name wrong, and forgot to change it.

So, funny story. I had it set to Araris. But got redirected to Kas. Which means Kas got redirected to himself. So he just Rioted himself, which means he just cancelled his vote.

See above.

Also I could definitely buy that claim Devo. 

Can add more to the puzzle here. I’m a village epic and can follow a player to see who they targeted. I targeted Kas, and was redirected to Araris, who themselves targeted Kas.

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 hours ago, Experience said:

It crossed my mind to have a possibility for striker/devo team because they could both be lying about it together. 

That's three people on the crazy train folks, anyone else want in?

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

Just now, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Can add more to the puzzle here. I’m a village epic and can follow a player to see who they targeted. I targeted Kas, and was redirected to Araris, who themselves targeted Kas.

DANG. that is interesting. one of them is prob a village the other an elimination. maybe.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

Just now, Experience said:

Devo you should probably scan Archer... Unless you die...

I can only scan to see whether or not someone is an Epic, and it would be wild for Archer to not be an Epic. Do you have a reason to think he's not?

 

 

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Can add more to the puzzle here. I’m a village epic and can follow a player to see who they targeted. I targeted Kas, and was redirected to Araris, who themselves targeted Kas.

Am I a firing range? Because it seems like I was target practice.

But...that's odd, isn't it? That's two players claiming to be redirected to me. And Araris also claimed to be impervious to vote manip D1.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

2 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Can add more to the puzzle here. I’m a village epic and can follow a player to see who they targeted. I targeted Kas, and was redirected to Araris, who themselves targeted Kas.

....what

3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Is a team of Araris/Devo/Striker crazy enough to pull off a simultaneous reveal like this?

Half joke, half sincere.

That would be pretty fun. Don't know if I'd come up with something like that though.

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Rioters can't Riot themselves. According to TJ's rulings, if I got redirected to myself, the action should've registered as a failure and my vote wouldn't be cancelled. But TJ told me my action succeeded.

This is either a lie or a GM error.

@|TJ| Get in the GM PM, sir. We are going to have Words.

I mean, that's what TJ told me. He did say it was like either an action or a series of actions that led to me being redirected to you. So like...maybe your rioting happened first or something? IDK.

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Am I a firing range? Because it seems like I was target practice.

But...that's odd, isn't it? That's two players claiming to be redirected to me. And Araris also claimed to be impervious to vote manip D1.

Coppercloud that redirects actions?

I wanted to create a meme for how I feel rn after Orlok's claim but I'm at a loss for words.

[Experience he/him]

What is with all this claiming last minute. Why can't ya'll give us some time to sort through it all xD.

1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

I can only scan to see whether or not someone is an Epic, and it would be wild for Archer to not be an Epic. Do you have a reason to think he's not?

Exactly. If you scan them and they aren't an epic, then that would reveal that they are probably elim.

[Kasimir he/him]

TJ has just clarified that my Riot succeeded, and I Rioted Lord-only-knows-who, but it was successful, and my vote was cancelled as a result.

I am down for being lynched if there's a contradiction here that needs to be resolved, and then someone can work out who else is lying and should be lynched when I flip Village.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

2 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Can add more to the puzzle here. I’m a village epic and can follow a player to see who they targeted. I targeted Kas, and was redirected to Araris, who themselves targeted Kas.

So Araris targeted Kas, for what seems like a swapping ability. Anyone who targeted Araris (Striker, me indirectly) hit Kas, and anyone who targeted Araris (Orlok) hit Kas. I don't know why Kas would have been redirected to himself, I don't think that would have happened.

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Coppercloud that redirects actions?

I wanted to create a meme for how I feel rn after Orlok's claim but I'm at a loss for words.

Quoting myself to work through this logically.

Araris was immune to vote manip because he has a role that redirects actions to who he chooses (Kas). Except apparently the redirect works both ways, actions used on Kas went to him?