Popular Post +En-priestess she/her Posted December 15, 2021 Popular Post Posted December 15, 2021 Why on Roshar did Wit give Kaladin his flute? And why did Kaladin find it again at the end of RoW? What is being set up here? Well, I've been wondering these things and instead of coming to any logical conclusions, I have dreamed up a very whacky Battle of Champions theory that is utterly wrong but could it be so wrong that it is right? The whole last book we've been learning about Tones and Rhythms, Kaladin has a flute, and there's a really weird Death Rattle that makes me think of El for no other reason than that he gives me "black piper in the night" vibes (and, well, he is into human art forms which would include musical instruments, and the whole "no man can hear" kind of echoes his previous Vyre/'He Who Quiets' Fused title: Quote “He watches! The black piper in the night. He holds us in his palm... playing a tune that no man can hear!” So Dalinar and co meet TaravOdium at the Battle of Champions. They're all like WOAAAH and already thrown off. Dalinar declares himself his own champion, then El rocks up as Odium's champion, pipe in hand. Odium cackles and says MWAHAHAHA you didn't think I'd face the Blackthorn in a battle of swords!! This is a battle of wind instruments... to the death... mwahahaha. Dalinar is looking freaked out, but Kaladin steps up and says, hey I kinda found my old flute again 10 days ago and I've never actually played it but it's a wind instrument and I'm a Windrunner so it can't be that hard right? And Dalinar is like, yep son, I think you should go for it. So Kaladin and El face off, Kal is blowing into his flute like a kid in elementary school who is forced to learn the recorder, face red from lack of oxygen, fingers flying wildly over the holes, and hey it's kind of working cause those Fused are covering their ears from the horror of the sound. Hoid is mortified at the blasphemy that is the noises coming out of his beautiful old flute. El is playing his pipe but we can't hear a thing cause Kaladin is just too loud - hence the "playing a tune that no man can hear" part. But it brings the stone to life and forms into a giant hand that lifts El and Kal up above the storm clouds - "holds us in his palm" TICK. What happens next, is a mystery. They are in the sky and the sky belongs to Kaladin, and no one else can see... Does Kal throw the flute aside and claim El's life with his Syl spear? Would the dishonor of such an act kill what is left of Honor, dooming them all? Was that Odium's plan all along? Does El have some mysterious tricks up his carapace? Feel free to continue the story in the comments below! But could this also solve the mystery of book five's title? The final part of the ketek WoK-WoR-O-RoW-? The one that no one saw coming? Keening of Windpipes! 20
Frustration Posted December 15, 2021 Posted December 15, 2021 The Black Piper is another name for Dai-gonarthis one of the Unmade. 2
KaladinWorldsinger Posted December 15, 2021 Posted December 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Ookla the Frustrated said: The Black Piper is another name for Dai-gonarthis one of the Unmade. You are thinking of The Black Fisher 4
Frustration Posted December 15, 2021 Posted December 15, 2021 1 minute ago, KaladinWorldsinger said: You are thinking of The Black Fisher ..... Crap you're right. 1
+En-priestess she/her Posted December 28, 2021 Author Posted December 28, 2021 On 27/12/2021 at 10:15 AM, SecondPlace said: Could the black piper be Hoid? I think this is what a lot of people’s immediate thought was, however Brandon has said it’s not Hoid. The speculation continues! Quote Questioner So, when Cenn dies, and he says "The Black Piper in the night, he holds us in the palm, playing a tune no man can hear." Is that a reference to Hoid? Brandon Sanderson No. Good question! Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017) 1
LewsTherinTelescope Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 Wow, can't believe nobody saw this version of the battle coming! So obvious now that you say it 1
+En-priestess she/her Posted January 8, 2022 Author Posted January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said: Wow, can't believe nobody saw this version of the battle coming! So obvious now that you say it I know right?! Sorry for spoiling the entire climax of book 5 for you, or should I say, the crescendo… 5
Milk Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 Ah, but you see, this theory suffers from a single, terrible logical error! On 15/12/2021 at 4:33 PM, En-priestess said: But it brings the stone to life and forms into a giant hand that lifts El and Kal up above the storm clouds - Urithiru is above the clouds.
+En-priestess she/her Posted January 9, 2022 Author Posted January 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, Milk said: Ah, but you see, this theory suffers from a single, terrible logical error! Urithiru is above the clouds. Well I guess that is much more logical than a giant stone hand coming out of the mountain hahaha What do you think the meaning could be of "he holds us in his palm?"
Milk Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, En-priestess said: Well I guess that is much more logical than a giant stone hand coming out of the mountain hahaha What do you think the meaning could be of "he holds us in his palm?" Perhaps it's metaphorical? It would line up with Mr. T's whole "win no matter what the opponent does" idea. Either that, or thunderclast.
dannnex male Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 this is funny i do like the idea that maybe the contest of champions isn't actually a contest of weapons i think that has some actual real merit maybe 1
bmcclure7 Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Dannnex said: this is funny i do like the idea that maybe the contest of champions isn't actually a contest of weapons i think that has some actual real merit maybe Remember it's to the death
dannnex male Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 4 hours ago, bmcclure7 said: Remember it's to the death yeah ik but to the death doesn't necessarily mean a literal duel with weapons could be something else that still results in death it probably will just be a literal duel, but ya never know
LewsTherinTelescope Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 7:14 AM, bmcclure7 said: Remember it's to the death Have you seen philosophy debates? Listening to those can probably kill someone. 2
DiePie Posted January 22, 2022 Posted January 22, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 1:01 PM, Dannnex said: it probably will just be a literal duel, but ya never know I've been thinking of it more and more as similar to the ending of WoT, with Dalinar and TaravOdium conjuring new realities using Fortune and Connection shennanigans (like Kaladin's Tien vision) to try and convince each other (i.e. more of a "battle of philosophies). but either way these could be fought with flutes, perhaps both sides bring really long flutes to use as quarterstaffs while they play, or they use them to tell stories like Hoid does, to try and convince each other using song. 1
Lightflame he/him Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 3:03 AM, Dannnex said: this is funny i do like the idea that maybe the contest of champions isn't actually a contest of weapons i think that has some actual real merit maybe It could be a fire contest between Dalinar and Evi.
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