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    I've read a fair amount of Fantasy: Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth, 1/2 of A Song of Ice and Fire. These days, I don't have time for much more than Cosmere.

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  1. I may just be overthinking this, but now that I've overthought it a little bit more, here's why I'm getting confused: We've seen Renarin use normal Progression. And we've seen him see the future, which I assume is Voidish Illumination. He has a lack of Lighweaving, so it appears he does not have regular Illumination. So that caused me to wonder if he's starting to pick up Voidish Progression of some sort. The glowing orbs aren't an end to themselves; they would do something else when he used them, but he's dismissing these precursors before performing the real magic because he doesn't know any better. There are other issues baked in there. We've seen Fused use Lighweaving, so is Renarin really using Voidish Illumination? Alternatively, if he's picking up a third power, maybe he's just starting to learn real Illumination (as a sign that perhaps Glys is naturally uncorrupting himself)? Or this could be a unique Resonance to powers that are never normally paired? So that's why I'm saying I have no idea. Because I do have a lot of ideas and a lot of assumptions that need to be challenged, none of which I believe are defensible. So I'm gonna hope we get payoff in this book, because I don't see enough ground to stand on a position yet.
  2. Spren respond to different types of metal in different ways. I wonder if we'll see any similarities to the Metallic Arts. Or if silver is one of the metals involved (which isn't Allomantic). Or what, if any, the aluminum has; as I've said in my detailed thread on conjoiners, I don't think what was described on the Fourth Bridge involves aluminum in the cage; rather, it's the aluminum box blocking effects like we saw in Oathbringer. Secret passages in the chasms. Is this new? Or is it, like I predicted in the Way of Kings Prime thread, something older that was discovered and repurposed? "Veil, however, hadn’t pushed this mission solely to gather evidence for Dalinar. She hadn’t even done it because the Ghostbloods saw Ialai as a threat." Looks like we've still got some dual motives going on. "The hardest thing in the world for Kaladin to do was nothing." Ah, the Fourth Oath again. "Leshwi hummed a loud tone, and the gemstone on her spear began to glow, sucking Stormlight from her prey." Is the humming functional? Moash didn't need to do anything else to kill Jezrien, and that looked similar. Although it wasn't quite the same; taking Stormlight vs something funky about Jezrien's soul and the Oathpact. And there's no hum when she uses it on Kaladin later, so I don't think the hum activates it. Just an affectation, Leshwi interacting with Rhythms. "“Then what are you so worried about?” Navani asked, making a notation on her list. Nearby, Renarin had stepped up to the family with the sniffling children. He summoned a small globe of light, then began bouncing it between his hands. Such a simple thing, but the children who saw it grew wide-eyed, forgetting their fear. ... Renarin couldn’t do that. He could only summon lights, and they did strange, unnatural things sometimes..." I've got nothing. No clue what these lights could be. Voidish Progression, maybe? "She could visit it in person if she wished, using the Oathgates—but something felt different about these visions. ... “I didn’t see anything, Brightness,” Rushu said. “But... I felt something. Like a pulse, a powerful thump. For a moment I felt as if I were falling into eternity...”" Oathgates are apparently functioning to get them into the Cognitive. What's different about what Dalinar does is that it also taps into the Spiritual. Is Navani the only one hearing this tone? "“And I’ve read the journals.” The ones Jasnah would give her, anyway. Storming woman." Gotta save something for Jasnah's flashbacks. "“We’re looking for something else,” Navani said, glancing at Dalinar—then shielding her watering eyes. She blinked, then waved for Rushu to follow her to withdraw back to the nearby command post. “There’s someplace beyond Shadesmar, a place where Dalinar gets this power. Once long ago, the tower was maintained by a Bondsmith like my husband—and from what the spren have said, I conclude that the tower got its power from that place beyond Shadesmar as well.”" Does "like my husband" mean Stormfather Bondsmith? Does it mean Sibling Bondsmith? More interesting implications, since Melishi's power was still active after the abandonment of the tower. I'm guessing it could be any Bondsmith to provide power - if it was a specific Bondsmith spren involved, then the tower would break whenever that Bondsmith would die, unless there was some sort of handoff/retirement/waiting in the wings. The fabrial-like functions of the tower itself would be independently contingent on the Sibling's integration. So we've still got power as long as there's any Bondsmith to manage it, but the functions stopped working when the Sibling retreated.
  3. I expect this will be the last week we get two chapters; we're only getting through Chapter 19, and one chapter a week from this point on will give us Chapter 19 on the 10th, a week before release. (Although we're about up at the SDCC reading, so it will fill like even less.) Thoughts on this week's chapters: "Forcing herself to stay in character, Veil gazed up with wonder and confusion, then shied back against the chasm wall, startling a cremling with dark purple colorings." Aimia watch, DefCon 3. "Mraize had explained about this group and their efforts to bring back the Heralds—who had actually never been gone. Gavilar had led them along, used their resources—and their hearts—to further his own goals. During that time, they’d briefly been important movers in the world." So Gavilar didn't come out of the Sons of Honor; he was much like Shallan and the Ghostbloods, using them for his own purposes somehow. I'm trying to keep this Sons of Honor plotline in perspective. Based on Part 1 being the climax of a "hypothetical" book whose contents cover the intervening year, I'm thinking that they really are going to be wrapped up pretty soon. But what about Restares? He's had his name thrown around a few times, and we've gotten zero payoff for that. Fifty honorspren as the hard cap. There's our hints towards the publisher's summary; not that honorspren are no longer willing, but that only a small group will, and now they need to convince the main body. This is still pretty substantial; the Recreance vision had, what, 200 Windrunners? The duels are another very big echo from Way of Kings Prime. "He hadn’t expected to find honor among the enemy." The singers were of Honor, originally. "They had trained for millennia with their powers, and they could fly forever without running out of Voidlight. They only drained it to heal, and—he’d heard—to perform the occasional rare Lashing." Very interesting. I'd been wondering if the Fused Surgebinding was a recent invention, but now it seems that they've had it as long as they've been Fused. When they find a new order of Fused (like in the previous chapters), it's not that the Fused discover a new power; it's just that the humans meet a new kind. (Which, looking back on it, can probably be inferred from Moash seeing nine kinds of Fused, but I wasn't sure that all nine kinds had Surgebinding yet, or if they were aligning themselves into groups more thematically in anticipation of discovering powers. But that seems pretty settled, at this point.) "More importantly, it was set with a gemstone at its base. If the weapon struck Kaladin, that gemstone would suck away Kaladin’s Stormlight and render him unable to heal—a potentially deadly tool against a Radiant, even one infused by Dalinar’s perpendicularity." Sounds a little bit like the fabrial epigraph we just got. "including Cord, who carried Amaram’s old Shardbow strapped to her back and wore the full set of Shardplate she’d found in Aimia." Wait, what? What did Rock do with Amaram's Plate, if that's not Cord's?
  4. So, we've got some fancy new fabrial applications from RoW chapter 3. This doesn't make sense. But, of course, I can't just come out and tell you why it doesn't make sense. We'll have to build up our theory of conjoiner mechanics so that we can properly evaluate this and show you where I'm getting confused. Conjoiner Basics The way I understand conjoiner fabrials, when you draw a free-body diagram, you treat both halves of the conjoiner as the same object. There's no "force" between the two objects; any forces that act on one act on the entire set. There's an additional "magical friction" term that will act against the direction of movement, whose magnitude is determined by the distance between these fabrials. (This force does not have an equal and opposite, which means we're going to break energy conservation, but we're doing it the opposite way often enough that I think we'll be fine.) I'm going to ignore that for the time being in all of my drawings below, because I can and I feel like it and it won't matter for the sake of this analysis. The opposite of a conjoiner fabrial, a reverser fabrial (which I'm probably going to call a disjoiner on accident, although reverser fabrial is the term used in the Ars Arcana), is going to still apply everything to the same force balance; but when you draw the balance, you're going to have to invert everything across the origin for one of the two halves. For the sake of visualization, let me share a quick example that you can recreate at home yourself using simple six-sided dice. I'm going to use the original Allomancy Dice from Crafty Games, since some of the dice are actually laid out backwards. (Which still perturbs me, but at least I can put it to use here.) For those who aren't familiar with this product, it's a set of regular 6-sided dice, but the 6 face on each dice has been replaced with a different piece of iconography from the Mistborn series. I'm going to use three dice to represent two kinds of fabrials; left and center are a conjoiner pair, center and right are a reverser pair. Lets look at our conjoiner. The two dice will be basically stuck together through invisible wires and always move the same direction. If the left dice moves in the direction of 3, the center dice will move towards its 3. If you rotate left 5-to-3, the center dice will also rotate 5-to-3. Any forces being applied to create those movements and any forces that act in opposition to those movements will be mathematically evaluated together on the same free body diagram. (The sum of all forces equals mass times acceleration; that's how we mathematically relate forces to movement.) Like, for instance, if these dice represent an active spanreed, let's draw the diagram using blue forces being the one writing, and green forces being the one receiving. We'll look at the force balance the moment the pen starts to move towards the right (or towards the 1, for this example). Seems fairly straightforward, right? It's just like holding two pens at the same time. (Cue the Bart Simpson super chalk holder.) For a reverser fabrial, look above at the center dice and the right dice. You'll see that each of the six faces is oriented oppositely. (For those who are not familiar, the opposite faces on a six-sided dice should always add to 7. 1&6, 2&5, and 3&4 are all on opposite sides of each other.) If you try to do this with two identical dice, it will never work. (Go ahead, try it. I dare you.) You need to have dice that are mirror images of one another (opposite handedness or chirality, if you prefer those terms). Line up the 1, 2, and 3 as shown below to check if your dice are mirror images of each other or not. And here's where the mathematical trick comes in; your force balance is drawn using the face numbers as reference. Depending on which dice you start with for drawing your force balance, half of your lines will look super weird; gravity going up and stuff like that. But that's okay, just focus on the face numbers and trust the math. If I take my two dice above (from the first dice image) and say that they're one of Navani's early fabrial towers caught in a highstorm, with blue being the counterweight and orange being the archery platform: When we calculate the sum of the forces and determine our final direction of acceleration, it will be in terms of a face. And, looking up at the two dice (way far above; you can scroll up, it's okay, I'll be here when you get back), you'll see how the direction specified by the force balance makes it so the dice move in opposite directions in real life, in the absolute terms. I drew up the free body diagram in terms of stable operation, where the counterweight is sitting on the ground. But imagine they're in an intermediate position, where both the counterweight and the platform are in midair, so the normal force of the ground and the static friction aren't there. You've got a lot of net force in direction 2; referencing our dice drawing, that sends the center dice down and the right dice up. You've got a little bit more wind on the platform driving it towards its face 6, so the counterweight will actually move against the wind. But everything is going to happen relatively slowly, since forces that act in the same direction in real life (wind pushing, gravity pulling) are being opposed on the free body diagram. In terms of rotation, things get really easy. If I take my center dice above and rotate it 3-to-5, envision which way it will move. Now, look at how the rightmost dice will move. You need to remember that 5 is opposite 2, and 3 is opposite 4. Do you see it? The dice rotate exactly the same direction from an absolute perspective! So reverser fabrials still rotate together; only linear movements will be opposite. Navani's Airships I've got three dice in my example, and that's been intentional the whole time. It will represent the Fourth Bridge; the left-most dice is the chulls, the center dice is the airship itself, and the right-most dice is the cliffside arrangement. The center dice will technically represent two halves from two different fabrial arrays; it's got a lattice of conjoiner fabrials with the chulls, and a lattice of reverser fabrials with the cliffside. But I'll just represent it with a single dice, since it will be two dice who occupy the same space and have their orientations locked together by being built into the same ship. The key is that you can't move when both of these fabrial arrays are active. (I mean, you can, but it would connect the chulls with the cliffs. At best, everything would grind to a halt; at worst, you'll be playing a very sad game of 52-gemstone-pickup.) Here's the sequence of activating and flying: Airship starts on the ground. Cliffside reversal lattice starts at the top of the cliff. Activate the reversal lattic. Pull the cliffside down; the airship will rise up. Activate the chull conjoiner lattice. Release the reversal lattice. The conjoiner lattice is now supporting the weight of the airship. Move the reversal lattice side-to-side. The airship will move with it. When you need to reorient the conjoiner lattice, stop the airship. Activate the reversal lattice to take the weight of the ship. Deactivate the conjoiner lattice. Reorient your conjoiner lattice. Back to step 3. Deactivated Interactions and the Aluminum Puzzle At first, I couldn't figure out how aluminum fit in to all of this. Let's take a look at the behavior of the these fabrials when they are inactive. It's a little tricky, because the actual function of spanreeds isn't described in detail all that much. What I thought was that, when spanreeds are deactivated, the dice are essentially unlocked from one another. You can move/rotate one dice, and the other doesn't move at all. Before you activate them, it's very important to have the dice aligned properly with their surroundings; the spanreed boards are described as having levels on the sides, and it's got a dot you need to start the spanreed at. But let's engage in a thought experiment to understand the ramifications of this model. Let's say Jasnah and Navani are in the middle of a spanreed conversation. Jasnah gets kicked out of her desk (don't ask me how, it's just a thought experiment), so she deactivates her spanreed, goes across the aisle, and sits down at another desk that faces the opposite cardinal direction. She sets up her spanreed board again from scratch and turns it on. Is Navani going to be writing upside down? Or will Jasnah, as a part of setting up her spanreed, orient it properly, regardless of the cardinal direction the board is facing? In my first model (of the dice being unlocked from each other whenever both fabrials aren't on), there would be no problem. The reference frame is based on the spanreed itself, not an absolute sense of the cardinal directions. Essentially, you both turn your dice to an agreed-upon position and set your board and inkwell accordingly. This means you don't have to take the curvature of Roshar into account, and you don't need to align your board in a certain cardinal direction every time. (While levels are mentioned on the sides of the boards, there is no mention of a compass.) If Jasnah's at a desk facing south, and Navani's at a desk facing north, the dice wouldn't be facing quite the same direction in an absolute sense; but when Jasnah pushes her pen in the direction of 3, Navani's moves in the direction of her 3. But that, in and of itself, should be enough to enable the chull trick, which Navani says requires a new advancement in aluminum. What gives? The only solution I could come up with is that cardinal direction must matter in spanreeds, and you need to use aluminum to mess with that orientation. The problem has never been mentioned with spanreeds, but if it didn't exist, there wouldn't be anything for aluminum to solve. So let's make our model more complicated and account for it. We've assumed conjoiner fabrials are dice. But now, let's assume conjoiner fabrials contain dice; they've got a little incorporeal dice in the center of their gemstone. So now you've got interactions between each object and their incorporeal dice, and between the incorporeal dice themselves. When both halves are off: There is limited interaction between the object and the dice. The dice will move side-to-side with the object, but it will not rotate. The two dice can move independently side-to-side, but there is nothing to cause them to rotate. When only one half is on: There is a stronger interaction between the object and the dice. The dice will move side-to-side and rotate with the object. The invisible dice are not locked in side-to-side movement, but they are locked in rotation. (So, if you turn the half of the fabrial that's on or that's off, the dice in the receiving fabrial won't change orientation, so you won't be able to pull the chull trick.) When both halves are on, then you lock in side-to-side movement and rotation. You are fully conjoined. This is needlessly complicated... but it gives us a place for aluminum to show up. Placing one half in an aluminum box will be the only way to allow independent rotation of the dice, so you activate your fabrial, put it in an aluminum box, and rotate it without affecting the fabrial on the other side. The Future of Conjoiners I think this is foreshadowing a science fiction application, the same way Mistborn's getting its seeds laid with ettmetal, time bubbles, and mechanical Feruchemy. I envision the Rosharan space fleet operating from conjoiner/reverser fabrial centers on the planet itself. There is a distance limit to conjoiners, of course; however, according to the Ars Arcanum, that's due to the method of creation, so I fully expect that will be overcome by the time late eras of the Cosmere roll around. In Conclusion I've couched everything in terms of dice that are locked so they move together. The actual math would probably be more elegant, but I (and I suspect all the readers) will not be able to internalize it and understand it as quickly quickly. We'll probably need some true math if we wanted to understand how to incorporate the curvature of Roshar into the situation. But let's at least see how the book plays out, first. We're only in chapter three. In trying to understand this application of fabrial science, my confusion arose from the airship mechanisms being concerned with absolute cardinal directions, while the spanreeds apparently did not. I can only conclude that spanreeds do indeed care about cardinal direction, but that has never been stated, for otherwise I don't see what problem they need aluminum to overcome.
  5. I think we have a good enough sense of the broad timeline, if not all the specifics, from the combination of the gemstone archive, the in-universe Words of Radiance, and Dalinar's visions. The notable events are the Abandonment of the Tower, the Recreance Event, and the Death of Honor. The gemstone archives all happened before all three of these events, and their messages reference the withdrawal of the Sibling, the failure of the Urithiru tower, and the plan to destroy the Voidbringers (but not its execution). But that takes us to about Chapter 30 in Words of Radiance, where we learn that Melishi returned to his tent (another reference to the abandonment of the tower, IMO) and changed his plan. Chapter 32 mentions the execution of Kazilah (who I think is the speaker of the "I foresaw it" gemstone, a Radiant with a corrupted spren like Renarin). Chapter 38 has the Recreance proper, which utilizes Melishi's unique powers. And since the events of Chapter 38 are recorded in Honor's visions, it was at some point after this that he died, created the visions, and merged (so to speak) with the Stormfather. In terms of "hurt," I thought we had a Syl passage saying the Stormfather was hurt in the Recreance, but I'm unable to track it down. The forums are full of references to it, but the only passage I see quoted is from Pattern: Which, while I think it would be a bit of a non sequiter if the Stormfather wasn't bonded, the strict wording does allow for an unbonded Stormfather. I'll need to keep digging, see if I can find the passage I'm thinking of, because that really is the cornerstone of my view that Melishi was bonded to the Stormfather, and if that passage doesn't exist then there isn't much to stand on. (Semi-related, I also suspect that part of why Honor's CS merged with the Stormfather was because the Stormfather was dying from the Recreance, and that was specifically how he survived.) But the Sibling being hurt and retreating, I don't think necessarily has anything to do the Recreance. I think the content platespren provide a good contrast - they're not bonded (and in fact their bond has been broken), but they're fine where they are. I think the Sibling and the Urithiru tower were mistreated by all the Radiants. The "you hurt them" line isn't saying that humanity, as represented by Melishi, hurt the Sibling through the Recreance. I think it's saying that the Knights Radiant, as a group, collectively through their actions hurt the Sibling and caused it to retreat. I think the "during the Recreance" phrase should be taken as "time of the Recreance," which encompasses the False Desolation and Abandonment of the Tower. Like how the invasion of Poland in 1939 technically wasn't a part of World War II, because war hadn't been formally declared by any parties. In broad timelines, the Sibling fell asleep during the Recreance time period.
  6. Dalinar's got his Spiritual Realm knowledge again - like how he knows about the New Oathpactmembers. Kaladin aligns the Fused to Orders, but they seem to be more aligned to Surges to me. This is Transportation, not Elsecaller. Why is Veil hunting the Sons of Honor? Is this a Ghostblood mission? More suppressed memories. Doing her father's ledgers? Between when she killed her mother and when she killed her father, I'm guessing. I'm going to need to refresh myself on her timelines; is this her regression as a Radiant? How she 'killed' Pattern? Kaladin can't sleep. Cue the Geralt memes. Kalalyn happened and ended offscreen. Just enough of a reminder to the readers of Kaladin's romantic issues for Laral to stroll back into his life. "The Ganlos Riera herself coldn't catch him!" Chana, Vedel, Paliah, Shallash, Betab... doesn't match any of those names. Reya...? "Lirin had wanred that if Kaladin kept visiting, he would bring death to Hearthstone. Today it had come to the singer who had attacked him. Lirin had covered the corpse with a shroud." That's twice now we've gotten that line; once at the end of Lirin's chapter, now here in Chapter 2. Laying it on a little thick, aren't you Brandon? Putting Lirin's name right where you'd expect a "tomorrow, it would be..." contrasting statement. "Navani, naturally, leaned out farther. One would think that during over fifty years of life, she would have found a way to rise above her natural impetuous streak. Instead she’d rather alarmingly found her way to enough power to simply do as she chose." Barely getting into the her first chapter before Willshaper Navani comes out. I'll get to an analysis of fabrial mechanics of airships in a later post. It's not quite adding up for me. I can see two possible mechanisms, but I don't like either of them. First, you could place half in an aluminum container, isolating the connection and allowing free movement of each half. But then how do you stay afloat when you isolate the vertical lattice so you can move horizontal? The second is that aluminum obstructs the movement without breaking the connection, but I don't like that in terms of historical aluminum Realmatic interference (where you can't Push directly on aluminum, but it doesn't impede your movement any more than your regular weight, as evidenced by Wax flying around with an aluminum gun), and it would seem to make the whole ship susceptible to one chump with a piece of aluminum stopping the whole thing. But I'll go into that in more detail later, when I've got some more time to think it over and write it up. “Perhaps, perhaps. But for a moment, imagine a fleet of ordinary ships suffering an attack from one of these up above. It wouldn’t need trained archers. The flying sailors could drop stones and sink a fleet in minutes…” He glanced to her. “My dear, if these things become ubiquitous, it won’t only be navies that are rendered obsolete. I can’t decide if I’m glad to be old enough to wish my world a fond farewell, or if I envy the young lads who get to explore this new world.” Take notes, Scadrial. I think getting airships in these two series are definitely setting the stage for eventual spaceships. I wonder if this will be the long-term Rosharan spaceship tech; you've got a huge base of operations on Roshar that's driving its starfleet around? "Navani slipped her notebook from her pocket as Dalinar raised his hand and pressed it against Kaladin’s chest. There was a faint… warping to the air around them, and for a moment she thought she could see into Shadesmar. Another realm, filled with beads of glass and candle flames floating in place of people’s souls. She thought, for the briefest moment, she heard a tone in the distance. A pure note vibrating through her." Spiritual Realm, I think. This is faintly reminiscient of WoKP's Soul Tones, which were involved in Soulcasting. The hat's been hung on this lampshade pretty heavily, so hopefully this phenomenon gets dug into a little more in this book. Sibling talk. Get some explicit ties to Bondsmith spren and the Urithiru tower. But remember, it began to slumber before the Recreance, before Melishi (the only Bondsmith of his time) did something to Ba-Ado-Mishram's parsh, so I don't think it was bonded; I think it had willingly allowed itself to be contained in the fabrial of the tower. Navani assumes "perhaps something about its relationship with a human," but I think that's as off-base as VenDell's hints about Identity-free Allomancy at the beginning of Bands of Mourning. In the right direction, but not quite accurate.
  7. I think the progression of the character groups as described in the updates tells us that Kaladin is not the envoy. In April 2019, we got the first glimpse: the main characters would be split 4-3-2. In June 2019, Brandon had written Part 1 (which was apparently before the viewpoint clusters split), and his plans didn't appear to have changed. In August, after Brandon wrote Group 2, he had apparently moved one character from Group 2 to Group 1. (I'm assuming conservation of characters here; it's possible he demoted someone in Group 2 and promoted someone else in Group 1, in which case all this analysis is for naught.) By November, he'd written Group 3 and modified his SA4 outline. No updates on number of characters, though. It's possible Kaladin was in the Group 2 Shadesmar expedition, but when he was writing the sequence Brandon decided to bump him out. He hadn't written Group 1, where Kaladin would go to, so it's not like it threw off any work he'd already done. And, in fact, that would explain the outline work he was still doing in the October/November timeframe, fitting Kaladin in with this group. (The other option I can think of is that Renarin was moved; he and Shallan have the Sja-anat thing tying them together, which I suspect will play a big role in this book [but then again, Shallan's Ghostblood escapades in WoR didn't exactly pay off in OB, either]. Or have him as the envoy but not a POV character.) On an somewhat unrelated note, after taking some time to digest the recent chapters/publisher's summary, go through the WoBs again, and revisit my original predictions, here's my current theory on the three arcs: Group 1: The War. Navani, Venli, Kaladin, Szeth, Lift. (The latter two being the minor characters, with Lift being the one who might only get an interlude) Group 2: Honorspren Expedition. Shallan, Adolin. (Renarin will be with them, but not as a POV character.) Group 3: Politics As Usual. Dalinar, Jasnah. There seem to be four major plotlines hinted at in the latest publisher's summary: Dalinar's politics, Navani's arms race, Kaladin's new role, and Shallan's expedition. How to reconcile those four with the three viewpoint clusters? Obviously, two of them need to be combined. As I showed above, I don't think there's room for Kaladin to be a major viewpoint character in Group 2. And I suspect our three main-est characters (Kaladin, Dalinar, Shallan) will still get to lead their own sequences. Which then means that Navani's plot is going to be combined with somebody else. Her husband Dalinar would a lot of sense, but I think the fabrial arms race makes more sense in the context of the war in the field (like Kaladin telling Lift to bring her the voidrial in the Chapter 7/8 reading), so that's why I'm combining her with Kaladin, who may be moving to more of a support role for this book (as hinted by the Syl interlude) in the war with the singers. While Group 1 will "potentially reveal the secrets of the ancient tower," I don't think it will take place in the tower.
  8. The amazon synopsis has been updated, and it's got some bits for the character grouping discussion: Since Shallan is a Part 1 POV, I think that locks her and Adolin down as our Group 2.
  9. Oh, wow, that is a big addition. How'd you manage to catch that? Quoted below, for those too lazy to click the link: That has some big clues for the character groupings, which I think I'll take to the character grouping thread.
  10. None of the accessory viewpoints in Way of Kings (which are Cenn, Gaz, and Teft) get mentioned on the Part pages. It started in Words of Radiance, where the usual large-fantasy-series-POV-creep started to happen. And I did skip a few steps in my math. Going off the visualization, Part 1 contains Group 1 (5 characters) and Group 2 (2 characters), while Group 3 (2 characters) is not present. So what I meant to say was, out of the seven viewpoint characters appearing in Part 1, at least two of them don't have POV chapters.
  11. Before we get too carried away, I think it would be good to check the current methodology against a historical example. As we all know, Oathbringer had a similar outline provided for us: It was, of course, the focus of much speculation in its day. When Oathbringer was released, here were the "POV names" in each Part and set of Interludes: If we try to take these characters and work them backwards, things don't quite line up. Here's what I can best determine, working backwards: There are some problems. The secondary main characters are obviously Kaladin and Shallan. But both of them appear in Part Four, where there originally wasn't supposed to be one of them. I've got Kaladin as the pink one because he was largely absent there, with Bridge Four taking that viewpoint. And then for the Tertiary characters, I'm pretty confident about them, but there are some mysteries. Tertiary character 3 is supposed to be absent from Part 5, but my four proposed characters are either Knights Radiant or explicitly included. Tertiary character 1's supposed to have viewpoints in Parts 2 and 4, but no tertiary characters do in the actual book. Venli, the novelette 1 character, doesn't show up on Part Four in the visual outline. So everything doesn't quite work backwards to the outline. Because it's a tool to help structure and plan the book, but the book doesn't need to be completely and entirely beholden to the structure. Things will change around during writing, of course. And for characters like Taravangian and Yanagawn and Palona, everybody can get random chapters without being included in the outline when that particular point of view works best for the book and the overarching story. So, all that to say, yes, Lirin is one of the five Part 1 POV characters, but that doesn't necessarily fit him into one of the nine "viewpoint" characters. We already have at least two of them not getting POVs in this part, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that three of them aren't in and that Lirin is one of these "accessory" POVs, like we got a ton of at the end of OB. And, sure, there has never been an accessory viewpoint in Part 1 of any Stormlight book. And that will be true, right up until it's not.
  12. Very quick response on Oathbringer as an Honorblade. That was, indeed, a mistake; it was a Stoneward Blade.
  13. Most of this has been seen before, either through a reading or through the newsletter. I was going to link my previous comments, but I can't find them, so I'll just restate some of them, maybe throwing in a few new ones: Is Navani's "impostor syndrome" Unmade influence? "Border dispute" might be important, since we've seen the Sons of Honor collecting lots of secret maps. Intentionally misdrawn maps to hide something big, and the Highlord caught on because something was costing him money. Gavilar's friends; the same Heralds we'd seen before. The way I understand this: Gavilar has been to Braize, and has captured Voidspren in gemstones. He has some apparatus, a "box," that doesn't sever their natural Connection to Braize, but allows them to be removed and brought back to Roshar. The Heralds are interested in this because they want to get off of Roshar, and are looking for a way to free themselves from their Connection to the planet. This big focus on Navani's feelings in this prologue further reinforces to me that she's the third main character of this book. This seems to be setting up a larger character arc, coming to deal with her personal problems of insecurity and people-pleasing. Gavilar seems really evil here. I wonder how much of it is an act? If he's trying to drive her away to protect her? If Navani married Gavilar for power, why would Gavilar marry Navani if he truly thinks so little of her? Not too many comments from Chapter 1. I think we're setting poor Kaladin up to have a bad time. The character heading for Part 1 contains five characters: Kaladin, Shallan, Navani, Venli, and Lirin. I haven't compared those to the character oultline, but we've historically had characters who only get named on one Part because they have a chapter or two. Looking at OB, we've got Jasnah in Part 2 and Navani, Taravangian, and Venli all in part 4. I think Lirin's in the same boat; he gets a chapter to start us off, but I don't think he'll be a feature POV character for the book.
  14. Yeah, I haven't seen anything. There's a special announcement coming shortly that may be relevant, and the schedule just didn't quite align:
  15. First of all: sounds like Laral is single, again. Secondly, Brandon's answer to the first question in the Q&A is very interesting. He says Oathbringer is an Honorblade. I wonder if he just had a bit of a brain fart, since Oathbringer looks to be a regular old Shardblade. But I'm also wondering if this is a RoW twist he accidentally revealed. I don't think we ever hear Oathbringer scream, do we? Dalinar gets rid of it before bonding the Stormfather (he had Taln's mystery not-Honorblade then), and when he handles it at the end of the book of Oathbringer, he does it with cloth, making sure to not actually touch the Blade. The simplest answer is that Brandon just had a moment of confusion and started expounding on the nature of Honorblades in a question that didn't ask about them. But hopefully someone from Dragonsteel will clarify this for us.