Aleksiel

I suppose things just work differently with the Lightweaver, but as Kurkistan just pointed out a broken soul is a must. So it's too big of a thing to miss what broke Shallan's soul in her book. What's the point of having flashbacks if not to reveal the most important things about the character? Perhaps it's another truth Shallan will have to confront before becoming a Radiant, if she ever do. However, I am not happy it was left out of the book. If Brandon didn't want to reveal it so soon, he shouldn't have made WoR Shallan's book imo.

I think 'I am a murderer' counts as Lightweaver's equivalent of an oath, so perhaps she was finally advanced enough to soulcast. But she said a truth to the goblet before souldcasting it into blood: Could this count? It's not really something that's hard to admit and WoR made it clear it has to be. About her flashbacks: With Kal we basically saw everything but Tarah in chronological order. My bet is his soul cracking happened when he witnessed Tien's death. Then he started saving other unfortunate boys in the army, which is what Syl claimed to have drawn her to Kaladin. However, Shallan's past was somehow all over the place. We miss the beginning of her story - Shallan's soul had to be broken before she could bond to Pattern and we have no flashbacks before her killing her mother. She killed her mother with Pattern as a Shardblade and if it works the same way for all Orders, then Shallan had given him the first ideal (strikes me as weird for someone that young to be able to guess that) and 2 harsh truths ('I like rainbows' doesn't work, remember Lightweavers are about confronting truths). These things really are too important to be skipped. Unless the impication is no soul cracking is needed for some spren to bond with a human. But even in the chapter when she murdered her mother, we don't really know the story until the end of the book, just a vague idea. Then her story continues till we reach the moment she killed her father and as important as that was, many of her other flashbacks felt rather irrelevant to her development as a character and full of things we already knew. edit: spelling

A sliver according to coppermind is and spren with Nahel bond have intelligence, so I do not think a sliver has to be biologically human. Plus: which implies the Stormfather is a spren and not a human.

Oh, Shallan hugging Wit! And the 'you-me' scene. Awesome! Any chance you will make either of them colored? The smirking horse is my next favorite. And Shallan demanding the boots + Kal's sock, that's just great.

Don't spheres count as compounding? They are more of a storage, though. Breath and stormlight seem different enough. Surgebinders and Radiants aren't know for being able to sense other people or other surgebinders, though there might be a surge allowing this imo. Seems like a reoccurring motif in Cosmere worlds, though I haven't read all novels so may be I'm wrong.

I think Shallan's mother was just scared of what her daughter was. After all, Shallan possessed powers, unseen from the times of the Radiants, and the only thing worse than a Radiant are Voidbringers according to Vorinism (at least my impression of it). In a very religious society, this easily goes the bad way towards killing the supposed Radiant. So, it's not necessary that Shallan's mother was something more than an overly religious woman, though it's possible that there was more to it that I've missed.

That, and time might be different in Shadesmar. Edit: Oh, sorry, you've mentioned it.

Good point, I agree. But it won't be enough as far as I understand this: From here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6583-adolin-shardblades-skybreakers-wob-seattle-new-info-wor-spoilers-elantris-spoliers/

I agree with you. I am rereading the scene as suggested to avoid more chronological mistakes. Adolin was probably a poor example on my part, perhaps Teft would have been better. My main idea resolves around the point that Shallan's revelation was more due to the shared experience in the chasms with someone who also knows pain as she does, rather something limited strictly and only to Kaladin. However, I haven't finished my reread on the scene so I might as well be wrong.

As true as this is, I still expected something more. Just because he had no time to mourn doesn't mean I was ok with him not thinking about Jasnah at all. It just felt odd to me.

Yes, this is chronologically wrong and I've edited that post.

She started talking about what it was to be broken first. Though I admit since I've read the scene only once, I've probably missed some things and don't recall it perfectly. I'll reread it and if I think differently, I will edit my previous posts. Plus, I used 'revelations' plural - hers and his.

It's a bit offtopic, but this is probably the best thread to post this. Was anyone else surprised that Dalinar, his sons and Elhokar didn't seem to mourn Jasnah at all? There is a scene where Dalinar is comforting Navani, but nothing in his inner dialogue or speech showed that Jasnah's death had touched him in any way.

She didn't know anything about Kaladin's past when she confided with him. She was caught in the moment, but she didn't feel any special connection towards Kaladin before the revalations. Edit: if you count confiding how broken she felt before explaining why, but I admit the first sentence was chronologically wrong. Kal starts feeling a sort of connection at this point, however Shallan talks about kissing Adolin in public right after it's established they had both suffered greatly, so not really a point in Kal's favor.

Unless the exact wording is not what matters, but the meaning. Well, Adolin is so refined he was wearing cologne in prison after all, he'd fit right in the Edgedancers.

I'm not able to catch up with all post from my last visit just a few hours ago, wow. I'd like to point out that Shallan confided in Kaladin most likely because they were in mortal danger and suddenly keeping appearance was not as important to her. She felt the need to finally say it out out to someone at last. I honestly think she'd share the same with Adolin in that situation. Nothing in her inner dialogue at that point made me think she felt special connection to Kal before she opened up.

Actually, we don't know how the Sunmaker changed Vorinism, only that he condemned visions. So, the original religion behind the Radiants is lost to us for now. Honor specifically said he could see vague glimpses from the future, but it was like trying to see through shattered window. Surgebinding is of spren and some spren are most likely of Cultivation as well and she is better in seeng (that's the word Honor used, not predicts, not anything else, but see) So, foreseeing the distant future might be a voidbringer thing, but the near future is definitely not impossible for others. I agree Taravangian made educated guesses at his best day and that was not seeing the future. However, what I said about Honor, surgebinders and seeing the near future still stands. I do not remember Syl saying anything that disproves this, so please provide a quote on the matter.

Perhaps the brands don't count as wounds now when they're healed, so they stay the same. I'm curious if someone with the progression surge can fix them, however.

As Jasnah said, she didn't made them do anything. They could have let her walk pass them and there is no prove she would have still killed them if unprovoked.

That would have been pure gold!

I really didn't mean to turn this to some philosophical discussion, it was just one of the reasons I don't ship them, though you give me some good point I've missed. But I'm still shipping Jasadin nonetheless

This just sounds plain wrong. So you do imply a girl can not be of high value, even though you claim you don't? I asked rather politely to understand what you meant, because it wasn't clear at all. I disagree with you even though that I was the one who said I wish for things to not go the WoT way (my reasons are very different), but I don't want to start an argument. However, I think your post is offensive the way it is now.

Everyone Kal asks for advice from now on is a worldhopper suspect

Huh. Yeah, I see now I got it wrong. I was a bit mislead by: I didn't read it right and assumed it meant he was already 20. Thanks!

I'm sorry, but did you just imply that Elayne, Min and Aviendha had no self respect? Or that a woman can't be of high value?