Aleksiel

It would have been obvious if she killed with a Shardblade not only because of the eyes, but the lack of a physical wound as well, so she'd have to fake that too. If she is a Herald, I'd go with Chana more than Vedel. Being an assassin requires some twisted bravery and obedience, so it's a profession fitting Chana's atributes in a dark manner. Of course, she can also be a surgebinder of the Dustbringers as they are Chana's Order. They were warriors after all. Though the best I can say against Liss being a Herald is that Nalan talked about Szeth having his lords blade, so I think other Heralds might had their ways of knowing something like that as well or at least after all those 4500 years a Herald most likely will know what a Truthless is.

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Wouldn't Syl able to remember things easily now that the Stormfather himself accepted Kaladin's third ideal?

Yeah, but how boring is that? I was thinking more of a Vin's earring case here, though not in the same way obviously; just something small yet more important than it looks. I like your idea! And let's not forget Adolin is refined enough to be an Edgedancer considering how he doesn't go anywhere (even to prison) without cologne.

Mm, you are right, it's not canon. I assumed it was. Anyway, what the reason that makes you think Skybreakers might be able to turn off their emotions? It's possible to be some passive ability, so they could pass judgement without emotions in the way, but there's no evidence of that whereas there are at least rumors for the Dysian Aimians. (Though I really can't remember if the said guy was one.)

Yeah, but on the other hand it's hardly dishonorable to not want to die by accidentally falling into a chasm, no?

I think Shallan and Kaladin used stormlight to heal themselves on their own. Shallan thought about Pattern speculating stormlight saved her and here's what happened to Kaladin: he inhaled stormlight before hitting the ground and woke up surrounded by dun spheres. So, I think no surge was involved and they didn't help each other; just survived by getting infused and healing.

That's not what I wrote, nor was an implication of some sort.

Why would it mean this? He was Aimian, right? They can alter their looks and cancel their emotions as far as I recall.

Why would she ever gave up Szeth if that was the case? Send him do the job>enjoy herself while waiting>profit. If Tyn was Liss, she wouldn't have tried to kill and silence Shallan imo and Jasnah would have made sure Shallan was out of danger during the attempted assassination (if she knew, that is, oh well...). Why would Liss just throw everything away and not kill Jasnah personally? She obviously could get to Jasnah on her own and be close enough to strike. I suspect Lys is still spying Elhokar's wife.

Was it ever mentioned or do you assume there was someone called Nahel who named it?

Right here: He inhales stormlight right before he hit the bottom of the chasm. Also, Pattern speculated stormlight had helped Shallan survive the fall, so it should have been enough.

Actually, according to Navani Jasnah changes drastically I suppose with the little information on Jasnah we have, it ca be read either way - she either outgrew that period of her life or something pushed her to withdraw from social contacts and close relationships.

But she said she had helped men, not Kaladin kill before. I think she would have phrased it differently if what you said was the case.

Yes, that's how I imagine it. Though I suppose we haven't seen enough to be certain, but I think it'll be similar enough.

Those oaths are all WoR spoilers though; better tag them as such. It's natural to have similarities between second to fifth ideal between Orders as they are all supposed to uphold to the first one every KR share. As Kurkistan quoted WoB, it's possible, but the questions was about bonding in general and not Nahel bond in particular. That being said, I think it's possible other kinds of bonds exist between humans and spren, so one could bond a spren in a different way. Why bother calling it 'Nahel bond' if it's the only bond that can exist?

I noticed this as well. I think it's some sort of altering fabrial (he has a lot of those) that effects feelings.

I suppose because Adolin always talks to his Blade before each duel; it's his ritual. If Renarin's clairvoyance was that good, he would have been able to foresee the arena fight and Adolin wouldn't have been caught by surprise. That being said, having in his pocket their mother's necklace (chain?) was part of Adolin's ritual and it went missing right before the (un)fortunate arena duel. Was that just a psychological attack against Adolin or does it have more significance? I still wonder.

Oh, I agree with you here - if it ins't done right, it would be a real pain to read, but so far I like how Brandon has written various relationships in other books, so I think he's capable of writing something good and believable. I really don't want her to suddenly have someone out of the blue, it would feel fake and forced. But hey, she'll probably be around till the end of SA and that's a lot of time. Jasnah is pretty awesome as she is now, but I think every main character changes in ten books period. Doesn't seem to have any other issues to deal with except learning how to connect with others; this is basically the only area that I see space for development as of now. I see you think some issues shouldn't be dealt with, but if Jasnah stays the exact same person till the end of the series while everyone else progress, it would be really strange to me. That said, she could advance as a character in other ways ; this is just the most obvious one to me and frankly I like characters with at least one strong close friendship better. I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion, so I accept you feel differently and I'm not trying to convince you; just sharing my opinion. Oh, this is true and I didn't mean to imply it's a necessity. Only it seems to me it's not that Jasnah doesn't want one, but that she fears all sort of connections to others that don't put her in control of the relationship/connection. She doesn't have friends from what we've seen and even with Shallan she's the one in charge. If it turns out she's totally at peace with herself and truly simply doesn't neither want nor need close relationships of any sort, then of course she shouldn't bother with such. Overall, I see what you all mean and it makes better sense to me now; perhaps I didn't explain myself well in my previous posts. My previous impression (proven wrong now) was that many people thought Jasnah shouldn't have any close connections with anyone, not just in a romantic way, but in every other, else her character will be ruined. Thank you for the clarifications on the matter. When I said it would be sad if she ends up alone I didn't intend to imply alone as equal to without a romantic relationship. I think a character can only benefit from learning how to form close relationships with others (romantic or not) and I'd prefer to see Jasnah making some development in the area. Even Sherlock has Watson and Jasnah/Shallan relationship so far is a mentor/student one, which I don't really count as friendship. So far Jasnah feels to me like a very lonely person, not because she's that type, but because she's afraid and I'd like her to face her fears and outgrow them. (Note: I'm not saying a romance is the way for that to happen) edit: some grammar and spelling

Thanks for the answers! This would make Plate some sort of a fabrial then, considering the stormlight and the spren-catching required, right? Interesting.

Sure, if that's what she truly wants. But first she's gonna need to find close friends. She's terrible when it comes to connecting with others. The way I see it now, her behavior is a result of traumatic experience in her childhood and therefor is an issue that needs to be resolved. No, I don't have solid proof and if turns out it's not the case, then sure. Of course, there are people that are self-sufficient and don't really need others, but Shallan feels like a better example of such a case. So far Jasnah seems to me too emotionally detached from all people (her family included) in a way that looks like some self-preservation due to some sort of fear. But even if she's happy the way things are now, does it mean nothing should change? Just because she isn't seeking a romantic relationship doesn't mean one will somehow interfere and ruin her character. It's just this is my over all impression of people saying she's good on her own as if having a significant other somehow would make her weak and ruin her character, which this makes no sense to me.

But why don't Shardplates scream like Blades then?

Noone should base their self-value on romantic relationship; this isn't what I meant at all. Humans are social creatures, we need family, close friends, love. Having a romantic relationship is a natural part of one's life. Not the most significant, not something to defy yourself with, but it's not healthy (or whatever's the appropriate word; sorry not my native language) for anyone to not have any romantic interests ever. Jasnah is so detached from such things it doesn't make her look strong and independent in my opinion. Just shows she's hurt and created thick walls between herself and others. She has some strong internal issues she hasn't dealt with. She could be strong, independent and in a happy relationship and I fail to see how this could possibly undermine her character.

I really don't understand those of you who want her to end up alone. The series are going to cover many years. Do you really want Jasnah to grow old alone? I think that would be very sad.

True, but that's not what I asked.