Chlehrma

Just reread KKC books 1 and 2. All I can say is I am glad that there are some novellas coming out soon. Anyone figure out how the story of old holly fits in with NotW and WMF? It takes place in the same world, but with the exception of the story about the Sidhe, I can not remember any mention of holly.

Yes, yes you are. The quote is unfortunately extremely ambiguous. Does night refer to the night mother that is conjectured to be cultivation a spren? Is this a future that is being alluded to or a reflection of the past suggesting that Honor sacrificed himself to preserve life? Is it foreshadowing Odium's reign? If we ask Brandon, he will probably say RAFO.

Szeth for honor and venli for odium.

Of course he used Adonalsium. Jesulium or Mohamelium or Budhalium or Krishnamutalium would just sound be silly. On a slightly different note. I think your call out regarding Adonalsium versus Adonal is interesting. It points out that Adonalsium would actually be the power "byproduct" of another entity. That it is the equivalent of a sentient metal is interesting. It makes me wonder what was the prime object of which Adonalsium was itself a shard.

I think Taln probably is Taln at least in body. His cognitive aspect seems trapped somehow...or he actually is mad as a hatter. It may also be at his missing Honorblade protected him in some way and it's absence is aggravating his mental state.

I recall reading something on the forums about the nurse in kharbranth who was draining blood and taking notes was vedeledev . The theory had someone to do with the breaking of the oathpact inverting their divine attributes. I do not know if we ever had WoB about it.

I thought hospitals had administration spren. They are attracted to bureaucracy and top-down decisions that inhibit the performance of healthcare professionals.

The sword Taln drops at the end of WoK looks like a spike. The sword that was brought to the Alethi war camps looks like a cleaver.

Perhaps the island of the wandersail? There was a guy in a tower.

Perhaps it is an unmade in a bottle and he planned on feeding it to a parshendi during a highstorm. I would kill him for that. Blah, someone posted this already.

If diagonarthis feeds on emotion, then I wonder if Nalan is an emotional void because he has an unmade following him around and leeching his emotions. If this is the case, then I further wonder if each one has attached itself to a former herald...like maybe the Honorblades they bore granted them immunity from the unmade messing with their heads. Just a thought.

There was also a quote in front of one of the chapters about blending the surges with those of men. I took this to mean a listener could become a surgebinder, but it might also mean they just fought alongside each other.

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 387973120 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 475568432 bytes) in Unknown on line 0 I know it was rhetorical, but really, where is the shard of Love? If everything has it's opposite, then Odiums opposite has yet to make an appearance.

The reason I ask is that Shallan's mother was wearing blue and gold (Galivar's colors) and I just want to make sure that Shallan, Adolin, and Renarin are not related. That would be a George RR Martin level of creepy.

The desolation seems to be not so much a time, but an event. The voidbringers rise up and begin killing everyone, humanity almost goes extinct, the survivors call it a desolation. They lose their technology and fall back into stone age and Bronze Age level tech and the cycle starts anew--though this time, perhaps because it had been 4500 years since the last desolation, the technology for steel and fabrials still exist. There seems to be some link between surgebinding and the start of the desolations, but no causal relation has been established. Voidspren (odium spren?) start appearing. The honor spren, Cryptics, etc.seem to know when a desolation draws close with some, like Syl, trying to help. There have been 99 desolations. The heralds lied and said the last one was the last one, and abandoned the oathpact. Since then the KR were still fighting someone at the recreance which was later, then perhaps they were fighting either each other or the remaining voidbringers. We will find out eventually. Preservation and ruin were gods on Scadrial--mistborn Honor, Cultivation, and Odium are gods on Roshar--Stormlight Archive

My thought was, "how many steps is if from Elantris to the shattered plains on Roshar?" After reading what Rock said, my thought now is that all shard pools are connected to the cognitive realm.

Was spoilers and just noticed the forum.

I think it more likely that they are truth watchers...or were truth watchers who have lost the sight that ______ has--or maybe they just lack the oaths to reach the necessary level. Keep in mind Szeth was cast out a named truthless because of the claims he made. Additionally, the surges of a truth watcher are illumination and growth. There is an interlude in WoK where Rysn and her master visit. In this interlude we find out that their farms are considered sacred and outsiders are not allowed to see them. Perhaps this is because nahel bonded farmers (1st oath only) use stormlight to grow crops. This may also be why stormlight is considered sacred to the shin. It may also be that Bondsmiths took refuge in shinovar, which would explain the prohibition against weapons if we consider what the Stormfather says at the end to ______. There is also a passage that speaks of a single Bondsmiths sitting on the throne in Urithiru. This might explain where the other two went. The presence of the Bondsmiths in shinovar during the recreance might also explain why Urithiru is considered unhallowed stone and may explain why Szeth was able to find it long before anyone who was looking for it. I think both of these possibilities are more likely than that of the shin being sky breakers.

Is there any rule that states that she had to be on planet during this time? She could easily have gone and checked out one of the other shard worlds, perhaps even the original home of the Listeners to find more information beyond that given by the high spren. They may even have directed her to such a place. Additionally, what is so curious about a bandolier...maybe she was hanging out with poncho villa.

Awesome, thank Cem!

I think the idea of bond smiths bonding god spren is probably accurate. I would hate to see an odium spren...hopefully there is still an Adonalsium spren running around.

Just in case anyone ants to see them in order “But as for Ishi’Elin, his was the part most important at their inception; he readily understood the implications of Surges being granted to men, and caused organization to be thrust upon them; as having too great power, he let it be known that he would destroy each and every one, unless they agreed to be bound by precepts and laws. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 2, page 4” “And thus were the disturbances in the Revv toparchy quieted, when, upon their ceasing to prosecute their civil dissensions, Nalan’Elin betook himself to finally accept the Skybreakers who had named him their master, when initially he had spurned their advances and, in his own interests, refused to countenance that which he deemed a pursuit of vanity and annoyance; this was the last of the Heralds to admit to such patronage. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 5, page 17” “As to the other orders that were inferior in this visiting of the far realm of spren, the Elsecallers were prodigiously benevolent, allowing others as auxiliary to their visits and interactions; though they did never relinquish their place as prime liaisons with the great ones of the spren; and the Lightweavers and Willshapers both also had an affinity to the same, though neither were the true masters of that realm. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 6, page 2” “And now, if there was an uncut gem among the Radiants, it was the Willshapers; for though enterprising, they were erratic, and Invia wrote of them, “capricious, frustrating, unreliable,” as taking it for granted that others would agree; this may have been an intolerant view, as often Invia expressed, for this order was said to be most varied, inconsistent in temperament save for a general love of adventure, novelty, or oddity. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 7, page 1” “They also, when they had settled their rulings in the nature of each bond’s placement, called the name of it the Nahel bond, with regard to its effect upon the souls of those caught in its grip; in this description, each was related to the bonds that drive Roshar itself, ten Surges, named in turn and two for each order; in this light, it can be seen that each order would by necessity share one Surge with each of its neighbors. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 8, page 6” “Now, as the Truthwatchers were esoteric in nature, their order being formed entirely of those who never spoke or wrote of what they did, in this lies frustration for those who would see their exceeding secrecy from the outside; they were not naturally inclined to explanation; and in the case of Corberon’s disagreements, their silence was not a sign of an exceeding abundance of disdain, but rather an exceeding abundance of tact. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 11, page 6” “Malchin was stymied, for though he was inferior to none in the arts of war, he was not suitable for the Lightweavers; he wished for his oaths to be elementary and straightforward, and yet their spren were liberal, as to our comprehension, in definitions pertaining to this matter; the process included speaking truths as an approach to a threshold of self-awareness that Malchin could never attain. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 12, page 12” “Now, as each order was thus matched to the nature and temperament of the Herald it named patron, there was none more archetypal of this than the Stonewards, who followed after Talenelat’Elin, Stonesinew, Herald of War: they thought it a point of virtue to exemplify resolve, strength, and dependability. Alas, they took less care for imprudent practice of their stubbornness, even in the face of proven error. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 13, page 1” “But as for the Bondsmiths, they had members only three, which number was not uncommon for them; nor did they seek to increase this by great bounds, for during the times of Madasa, only one of their order was in continual accompaniment of Urithiru and its thrones. Their spren was understood to be specific, and to persuade them to grow to the magnitude of the other orders was seen as seditious. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 16, page 14” “And when they were spoken of by the common folk, the Releasers claimed to be misjudged because of the dreadful nature of their power; and when they dealt with others, always were they firm in their claim that other epithets, notably “Dustbringers,” often heard in the common speech, were unacceptable substitutions, in particular for their similarity to the word “Voidbringers.” They did also exercise anger in great prejudice regarding it, though to many who speak, there was little difference between these two assemblies. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 17, page 11” “When Simol was informed of the arrival of the Edgedancers, a concealed consternation and terror, as is common in such cases, fell upon him; although they were not the most demanding of orders, their graceful, limber movements hid a deadliness that was, by this time, quite renowned; also, they were the most articulate and refined of the Radiants. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 20, page 12 “Yet, were the orders not disheartened by so great a defeat, for the Lightweavers provided spiritual sustenance; they were enticed by those glorious creations to venture on a second assault. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 21, page 10” “These Lightweavers, by no coincidence, included many who pursued the arts; namely: writers, artists, musicians, painters, sculptors. Considering the order’s general temperament, the tales of their strange and varied mnemonic abilities may have been embellished. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 21, page 10” “There came also sixteen of the order of Windrunners, and with them a considerable number of squires, and finding in that place the Skybreakers dividing the innocent from the guilty, there ensued a great debate. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 28, page 3 “The considerable abilities of the Skybreakers for making such amounted to an almost divine skill, for which no specific Surge or spren grants capacity, but however the order came to such an aptitude, the fact of it was real and acknowledged even by their rivals. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 28, page 3” “So Melishi retired to his tent, and resolved to destroy the Voidbringers upon the next day, but that night did present a different stratagem, related to the unique abilities of the Bondsmiths; and being hurried, he could make no specific account of his process; it was related to the very nature of the Heralds and their divine duties, an attribute the Bondsmiths alone could address. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 30, page 18” “In short, if any presume Kazilah to be innocent, you must look at the facts and deny them in their entirety; to say that the Radiants were destitute of integrity for this execution of one their own, one who had obviously fraternized with the unwholesome elements, indicates the most slothful of reasoning; for the enemy’s baleful influence demanded vigilance on all occasions, of war and of peace. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 32, page 17” “Twenty-three cohorts followed behind, that came from the contributions of the King of Makabakam, for though the bond between man and spren was at times inexplicable, the ability for bonded spren to manifest in our world rather than their own grew stronger through the course of the oaths given. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 35, page 9” “Now, as the Windrunners were thus engaged, arose the event which has hitherto been referenced: namely, that discovery of some wicked thing of eminence, though whether it be some rogueries among the Radiants’ adherents or of some external origin, Avena would not suggest. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 38, page 6” “That they responded immediately and with great consternation is undeniable, as these were primary among those who would forswear and abandon their oaths. The term Recreance was not then applied, but has since become a popular title by which this event is named. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 38, page 6” “This act of great villainy went beyond the impudence which had hitherto been ascribed to the orders; as the fighting was particularly intense at this time, many attributed this act to a sense of inherent betrayal; and after they withdrew, about two thousand made assault upon them, destroying much of the membership; but this was only nine of the ten, as one said they would not abandon their arms and flee, but instead entertained great subterfuge at the expense of the other nine. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 38, page 20”

The crem coated buildings

I think the modern sky breakers follow corrupted oaths much like Nalan has become a corrupted version of his pre-oathpact self. My guess is that he is less corrupted than other heralds since having gone back for his blade--at least I assume he has it since Lift saw him glow. Maybe instead of life before death, they say the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few Maybe instead of strength before weakness they say they will remain strong and do what must be done to protect the whole Maybe instead of journey before destination, they say that the ends justify the means. Actually that last one is probably very off since we see them holding to their word and killing the kid. So maybe they just hold the letter of the law above all else.

There are also a lot of plates and blades unaccounted for in the histories.