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Stick is the top Rep level even above Adonalsium.

So how many reputation points do we need to become Stick? Stick is the highest ranking we can get right? In fact I bet Stick is one of the 16. I wonder what investure heroes would get from Stick. Sticky ones I guess.

Yes, Jasnah's death seemed pretty final when I started WoR, though I suspected she survived and we would see her in a later book. My belief in her possible escape increased after I read about how well surgebinders or those that could take in stormlight could heal. Kaladin: Broken shoulder two times Broken skull and brain injury several times Survived a hundred foot drop crashing into the ground unprepared and perhaps lashed to ground by Szeth making the impact harder. Healed shardblade injury to arm twice. Fractured both legs and feet, walking in a few moments afterward, Survived two hundred foot drop. Healed damaged leg and likely damaged ribs and organs in an instant. Shallan: Healed her feet, Survived two hundred foot drop. Says she could survive a spear to the gut just fine. Szeth: Healed a number of times. Came back to life. (Yes with a fabrial, but still he looked even more dead than Jasnah) Lopen: Regrew the arm he lost as a child. I think if Sanderson hadn't brought Jasnah back in the epilogue people would have been asking why she died. If stormlight could heal Kaladin's crushed insides in an instant with enough stormlight a stab through the heart seems to be a very survivable wound for an experienced surgebinder like Jasnah.

Feather, there is a whole fandom who like villains the way you do. I have several cousins among them. I wasn't surprised by your reactions because you sound like them. Tom Hiddleston as Mraize in a WoR mini-series would be awesome.

Scars is one of my favorite chapters in WoR and I was so happy Renarin joined Bridge 4. Awesome recordings.

I agree. Dalinar didn't have anything to apologize for. Besides these points, Dalinar also raised him to a position no other darkeyes had ever been in before. Allowed him to do things that socially darkeye should not be able to do, i.e. hold a shardblade, ride a horse. Trusted his judgement to the point that he listened to him in meetings about things that had nothing to do with his job and allowed him to arm a parshmen/ parshendi. He placed him over lighteyes who guarded the king (I doubt he was able to remove them all before Kaladin took the job). He told Elhokar he would be his enemy if he killed Kaladin, something he had the legal right to do at the time. And he constantly checked on the well being of Kaladin and his men. No Dalinar wasn't perfect, but considering everything he bent over backwards for Kaladin. When he told him in private after Kaladin accidentally committed a crime punishable by death (a darkeyes defaming a lighteyes. Yes the Alethi system sucks) that seventeen men, lighteyed and dark, saw Amaram win his blade he was warning him. And even after that he still worked to test Amaram. Yes, the rest of the lighteyes are awful at apologizing. Hopefully, now that Kaladin is one of them he can lead them to better behavior.

I'm curious to hear Feather's reaction to Shallan in chapter 86. Going by her posts on the forums she was none to happy with Shallan's treatment of Renarin in that chapter. Oh well, that will be some time from now.

I say Adolin will be a Dustbringer because... So there.

I love Brandon's writing and I hope I can write as well as him someday. However, while reading WoR one term did begin to drive me batty. "Bah." I checked on my Kindle. Sanderson uses the term 23 times in the book. Yes, it is a big book, but couldn't he have used the term a little bit less. As comparison, he only used it 19 times in TWoKs. It's not a big deal, but it did get repetitive.

I disagree. For me the physical fights mixed well with his internal struggle. Still, it is all a matter of perspective. I expected a fight in the chasms with a fiend in book one. Brandon was foreshadowing it back then. So when it showed up in book 2 it wasn't jarring. Also had Shallan not been there Kaladin would have died. She did more than just distract the monster. She gave him a weapon that could kill the monster. Men without stormlight have killed chasmfiends before. The difference between the two fights is that Kaladin came away a lot more injured. Still, I'm not going to argue the realism of Kaladin killing a chasmfiend without stormlight. Kaladin also flies in the book and Shallan and he both survive a drop of over two hundred feet. If you feel that Kaladin's fight with the chasmfiend is spending your disbelief too far, then oh well. Also though Brandon is using that trope again he is not using it in the same way. Besides the details I pointed out in an earlier post, that scene is far more internal than external. It's not really an action scene. Kaladin is in way over his head. He got a lucky shot at the guards at the door and failed to kill one of them. After he knocks out the second guard again, Kaladin doesn't really fight anyone else at the palace. He stands up to Moash, but Moash wipes the floor with him. That scene is Kaladin standing weak ineffective, but doing so because that is who he wants to be. And when he gets powered up he doesn't attack Graves or Moash. That scene is not an action scene. The fights with Szeth are the power fantasy actions scenes. I will agree those scenes have little to do with Kaladin's arc, other than he is saving a man he trusts and respects. I enjoy them, but if they aren't your thing I understand.

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Interesting theory. My only issue is with Hair Color. Alethi black breeds true and the more pureblooded you are the more black your hair is. If you have any other blood in your family, your hair will have another color in it. Adolin and Renarin's mother gave them lockes of blond in their black. If Hesina were related to Shshshsh.... then Kaladin would also have blond in his hair.

Compounding doesn't work without metals. Vin tossed all his metal out the window. The villain of "Alloy of Law" seemed immortal for the same reason. When he was executed they removed all his metal, caused him to burn up his gold and then he was quite dead after being shot by a firing squad three times.

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I've assumed this for a while. I think Kaladin's parents are in Kholinar with Hesina's parents. Losing the boys broke Lirin and they left Hearthstone (got to love that idealistic name) soon after the boys. That's the reason they never wrote Kaladin. They never got the letter.

I can see where you are coming from with this. Nonetheless, I wouldn't call this a rip off, just a trope. Change "speaking ideal" to getting a mcguffin and you have described many stories including Mistborn 1 and Elantris. Mistborn One. Vin is injured and tired - check Vin can't defeat the all powerful lord ruler - check Vin loses her earring - check The mists accepts her powering her up and healing her - check Allomancy saves the day - check Elantris Raodin has succumb to all his wounds sending him into madness - check All the Elantrians and everyone else is about to be killed - Check Raodin realizes he needs to complete the Elantris symbol -Check Raodin is instantly healed - Check AorDor saves the day - Check. Now we can do this with Frank Herbert's Dune. Paul succumbs to the Water of Life -Check The entire galactic army is about to attack Arrakis - Check Paul awakens his ancestral memories -Check He is heals instantly and is powered up - Check The powers of the Kwistaz Haderach save the day - check. The hero is injured and all is lost until the hero finds "the secret" is a common trope. Writers are going to use it over and over again, but it is never a rip-off anymore than the hero and heroine falling in love or class-ism in a book is a rip-off. This trope is often used when a warrior-hero needs to learn an important theme or gain and important item in an exciting way. Maybe Kaladin will have a more calm epiphany in book 3 and Szeth will get to use this trope. Or maybe Sanderson won't use this trope in book 3 at all. Still there are few tropes you can uses for making an epiphany dramatic. I can understand why using a trope over and over can get boring. Cliche is an overused trope. Still using tropes is unavoidable. We have been using them since bestsellers were painted on cave walls.

I see where you are coming from. I also hope Kaladin is over some of his Lighteyed issues. Still I disagree. You have a right to skip Kaladin's chapters if you find them too depressing, but to say that they are single minded is missing some of what is there. I've never dealt with depression personally, though I have three close family members who have. I do have anxiety however. So when Kaladin is scared irrationally that the lighteyes could take his powers, I can relate. Prehaps this is the reason I find Kaladin's story appealing, compelling, and not as frustrating. Kaladin is far less frustrating to me than any of my family members who suffer from true depression. And to be honest, I don't think he has true depression. He has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which can cause both depression and anxiety, but it is not completely the same thing. The story arcs in TWoks and WoR are different and I don't see Kaladin's actions in WoR as a relapse at all. I think people assumed he had dealt with his issues and was out of that dark place in book one. I never got that impression. Here is what Brandon said on this issue, at the Philadelphia sighing. Source. Book one was not about him dealing with his issues. As soon as he took on the responsibility of Bridge Four, he ignored his personal issues. Notice how he reacts to any lighteyes in that book and not just Sadeas or Amaram. He steals from Adolin after he saw Adolin defend someone selflessly. Anytime anyone mentions Dalinar he get angry. He needed a lot of encouragement to save them. He focused more on saving the men than the Princes. It was only after he realized the army wasn't leaving that he tried to get Adolin to leave. He ordered Adolin around like a petulant child and did the same to Dalinar when he finally ran off to save him. He continued to disrespect Dalinar until Dalinar offered to help the bridgemen. And then he didn't believe Dalinar would really help them until he actually gave up his shardblade. Book one was not about healing Kaladin's soul so he could become a Knights Radiant. It is about a victim finding the power to save himself and those around him because no one else would. And that of course fits with the 2nd Ideal. Book two's character arc is about this: Opening the cage does not solve all the problems. But this is not the same character arc as book one. Kaladin's arc was about two things. Learning to trust someone with power over you again. Using your own power to become what you want to be. And he did not learn these things in book one. "But Dalinar traded his shardblade for Kaladin," You say, "That was when he learned he could trust again." No not really. I thought this too the first time I read the chapter "Justice" (my favorite chapter in TWoKs), until I read "Trust" a few pages later. Kaladin wasn't happy. He was nervous. He didn't trust Dalinar, he merely considered doing so. He treated Dalinar with respect, the first lighteyes he does such for in the entire book, not excluding flashback chapters of course, but he wasn't sure. The arc completed with him finally succeeding in a task, not someone who is ready to be a radiant. Book two Kaladin tests that small amount of trust. How much he does trust and respect Dalinar in the book is surprising and downright uplifting. He is trying so hard and yet every life experience reminds him that it could all be an act and at some point Dalinar will fail him. He knows that he can't prove what Amaram did and yet he told Dalinar shortly after he began working for him, after he found out they were life long friends. And even after he assumes Dalinar didn't believe him, he continues to trust Dalinar anyway. He allows himself to go to prison on Dalinar's word that he will get him out and continues to respect him after that, Then finally Dalinar proves he deserves Kaladin's trust by catching Amaram in his lie. I think that was the moment Kaladin truly trusted a lighteyes again. I don't think he would have cared about saving Elhokar if Dalinar had not done that. Now had this been the only focus of Kaladin's character arc, I would agree it was single minded, but it wasn't. Kaladin also learned to trust and care about both of Dalinar's sons and Shallan. That was surprising. And that was only half of what his arc focused on. The other half was about now that he had power over his life again, who did he want to be. This is where the Moash plot and the Third ideal come in to play. The third ideal is not a rehash of the second, nor is the scene where Kaladin speaks it a rehash of the 2nd ideal scene in book one. Oh they are similar, they are also similar to the climax of Mistborn 1 and Elantris, The main character is near death and comes to an Epiphany that saves the day. This trope is also used in Hunger Games, several Star Trek episodes, Return of the Jedi, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Both Ghostbusters movies, and etc. It is a trope, but it is not a rehash. Point 1 The beginning of the scene. Book One: Kaladin reluctantly decides to save Dalinar and his men after several of his friends suggest that they should do something. Kaladin is healthy. He has powers granted by stormlight, He risks his one chance to escape. Book Two: By himself, Kaladin has come to the realization that he needs to save Elhokar. He eagerly goes to do so. He loses nothing if he stays in his room. He no longer has stormlight. He is injured. Point 2 The Crisis. Book One: He uses up all his stormlight and that does incapacitate him, but I don't think it would have killed him. His friends were going to complete the task by themselves and most likely die. He only risks being killed by his enemies. Can still get up and run. Book two: He is near death after being beaten up by his friend. If he had done nothing, only someone he doesn't like very much could die. Can barely stand or lift his hand. Point 3 The Ideal Book One: "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves" Said when he saved his friends from the Parshendi. Book Two: "I will protect even those I hate if it is right." Said when he realizes who he wants to be. Point 4 Result. Book One: Kaladin is tired, worried, bitter, but glad he did the right thing. Book Two: Kaladin is a Knights Radient who has fully embraced his role. So that's why I don't see the third ideal scene as a rip-off of the second. Kaladin's story isn't for everyone, but I'm glad Sanderson did it this way because to me it is beautiful.

Shallan made mistakes and is very flawed. Some have called her a Mary Sue, but I disagree. I think she is an extremely talented liar, even to herself. Especially to herself. It's not that everyone loves hers. Everyone loves the person she shows them. The only person she somewhat showed herself to was Kaladin, and she only showed him the person she believed she was. Personally, I enjoyed Shallan in WoR. Her goals were more big picture and connected to the overall plot. I understand why some have issues with her character arc. Her issues with the Ghostbloods weren't resolved. After she sneaked into see Taln, the Ghostbloods disappeared until the end and that was the only solo plot line she had. Everything else she did was connected to one of the other main characters. Still, it didn't bother me, because she did have some growth in the end of the book. I think Kaladin had far more growth, but that is nether here nor there.

Thanks for looking those up. I forgot about him thinking of Tarah when he held Shallan.

He mentioned her Twice in TWoKs and once on WoR. She is someone Kaladin met after Tien died while he was training in the spear. I do wonder if he will see her again. Laral is married to Reshone so there is no chance for him with her.

Let me clarify. How would you have wanted Kaladin to act in WoR?

What would you like to have read instead?

That was awesome. Loved Feathers reactions. Shallan's chapter nice and calm. Ha. I figured she would be shocked by Tyn in that chapter. Thoses chapters are ones I'm sure I will be listening to and reading over and over.

WoB is tha tthe Skybreakers would not accept Adolin killing Sadeas, but several other orders would.

It is possible because both Kaladin and Dalinar have had a voice give guidance to them just like that. So it could be the same thing happening to Adolin. We will just have to see, It is a clever idea.