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Well he could have missed it because he was fighting Szeth for his and his Father's life at the time. It all depends if things like this happen again in book 3.

I love the idea. Upvote. We my be reading too much into it, but anything is possible at this point.

I misunderstood. Still, I don't think we will see more than one from each order in the main cast.

Upvote for restoring my hope that Adolin's shardblade will be revived. I don't think Adolin has the temperament of an Edgedancer. He looks at the big picture too much. Brandon has also said Lift will play a bigger part in later books. I think she will interact with some of the main cast. I think by book 5 or 10 we will have a Radiant for each order and they will stand against a wall of black and white and red in the final battle. I could be wrong, but Brandon did say the last chapter of SA was in one of the death chants. However, having just one Radiant from every order will be a full cast. Have two or more in any order will make things get confusing. Brandon could handle it, but it would make things more complex than they need to be. Why not just have one spren from each order come back to form a small united front of knights to save the world? It would be simple and clean plot. Of course, watch book 3 introduce three new Lightweavers or Elsecallers.

Ah. Good catch. Oh well, it would have been nice, but Adolin is to focused to be an Edgedancer, and we already have one of those in the line up and she is awesome. Edit: However who's to say the only vine-like spren are Windle's type? Still, you are likely correct.

It is? Where did I miss that?

Crazy wish/ wild speculation: I hope his sword becomes his spren. He seems to already be on speaking terms with it. Wouldn't he be awesome if he revived his sword? He could learn its name then.

Hmm... that remains to be seen. Just because he got away with it legally does not mean it didn't affect him spiritually, emotionally, or mentally. Killing leaves an effect on the one who does the act. Think about how Kaladin is effected by everyone he kills and he has always been justified in his actions. Adolin might talk himself into believing he did the right thing for the right reason, but if Sanderson continues to be the great author he is, that will be far from the end of the issue. Sadeas death was a defining moment for Adolin. He had killed before, but this time he killed an unarmed man who wasn't an immediate threat to him. He was a threat in the long run, but Sadeas could have been handled in a different way.

Adolin seems to steady and dependable to be a Willshaper.

Elhokar doesn't seem adventurous enough to me to be a Willshaper. Only one scene in TWoKs suggested an adventurous streak, the scene where he raced Dalinar before the Chasmfiend attack. But that race could have been prompted by a need to prove himself.

Before WoR I didn't think much of Adolin Kholin. I liked him, but I also like white bread. He seemed spoiled, mouthy, and arrogant. His one redeeming quality was that he proved to be very perceptive. During my rereads of TWoKs, before I read WoR, I tended to skip his POV. WoR completely changed my opinion of Adolin. He is now my third favorite character. He showed so many interesting layers in WoR and went in a direction I never would have expected. I think WoR also contained foreshadowing to his eventual induction into the Knights Radiant. First the indirect hints. Dalinar sees a Radiant in a vision with armor that looks like Adolin's. Yes, that Radiant was a girl, but the armor changes to fit the wearer. Then there is the fact that a Ryshadium, Sureblood (I will miss that horse), bonded with Adolin. Why is that important? The Ryshadium were the steeds of the Knights Radiant. The Ryshadium do not just bond with anyone. Currently the only other Ryshadium we know of is Gallant who is bonded with Dalinar, a Radiant. Did Gallant sense Dalinar's potential? If he did, perhaps Sureblood sensed Adolin's as well. Also there are clues in Adolin's personality the suggest he is a proto-radiant. His perceptiveness. He always knows when someone is hiding something. I recognized it in Sadeas, Kaladin, and Amaram. He didn't notice this in Shallan, but her talent is lies and love may have blinded him. Still, he is perhaps the most perceptive character in both books. It was the one attribute I admired in Adolin in book one. Why does this matter? Proto-Radiants seem to have a natural talent for the attributes of their order. Kaladin believed you could kill to protect long before he lost Tien. Dalinar united Alethkar and made it a kingdom. He did it in a dishonorable way, but he still did it. Shallan is very talented in lies and truth and has been so her whole life. Szeth destroyed himself to uphold the laws of his people. I don't know what order upholds perceptiveness. His talent may only be a part of his order's main attributes. The fact that this talent is so pronounced in both books suggests something. He is also very brave and obedient to his father, even though he is mouthy. Those attributes do fit the Dustbringers, which was the order of the knight wearing Adolin's armor in Dalinar's vision. But I think I might be reading to much into that. Still all of this would not have convinced me that Adolin was a proto-radiant. Adolin wasn't broken enough... or at least he wasn't until he killed Sadeas. That scene was shocking and wonderful. I loved it because of what it could mean of Adolin's character. The act is not as important as what it did to Adolin. Whether you agree with what Adolin did or not, it horrified Adolin. You can feel Adolin's anguish in those words. The golden boy broke in a fit of rage. This allows for the nahel bond. This was the moment I believed Adolin could be a Radiant, as long as he doesn't let this moment destroy him. Whether he becomes a Radiant or not, I think Adolin is going to be a very interesting character to read about in the next few books.

I know you didn't mean to be offensive, Numb. It just seems that is a label given to any character not paired up these days. Elsa from Frozen has also been given this label for nothing more than disinterest. I may have overreacted, and speculation is fine.

Nothing against the original poster, but it bothers me that if a woman either doesn't like a man's role in society or doesn't appear to have a man she is interested in people assume she is Lesbian. I've know plenty of lesbians who like men, they just aren't romantically or sexually attracted to them. Asexuals aren't interested in men either. And then of course an individual could be heterosexual, but disagree with society's gender roles, feel those of the opposite sex abuse power with their role, and are so absorbed in their work that they don't have time to pursue a relationship with the few "good ones" that could be out there. At this point we have only seen Jasnah as a scholar. Yes that is a large part of her personality, but that is not all she is. She could be homosexual, heterosexual, bi-sexual, or asexual for all we know. I doubt she is an LGBT character because Brandon has admitted that he doesn't have the knowledge to give such a character the respect they deserve at this time. Regardless, we really don't know and nothing in the text, including her bias against men and a man's role Vorinism, gives us any clue as to her sexual orientation. So if you want to dream of Jasnah being a relationship with either Kaladin or Shallan, that's fine. Currently either choice is possible. But to say she doesn't like men and is therefore a lesbian suggests an unfair stereotype of lesbians.

I understand this point of view. In fact if an author can make me get to the point where I want to slap a character upside the head it often means they are doing something right. I do hope if Kaladin goes this dark again in later books it will be in a less angstly way. Hopefully he won't at all because I guess he would become powerless then. Still I agree with Chaos that this is the arc his character needed in this book.

I don't think he forgot or ignored his oaths, nor do I think Syl forgot to explain to him what he was doing wrong. I think he didn't realize the full responsibility of those oaths when he took them on. He accepted the powers only after he realized it wasn't a curse and he could use them to save his friends lives, people he liked. His struggles with Elhokar helped him to realize what his oaths really meant, which is one of the reasons those ideals are said again before Kaladin said the third ideal. It's also the point where he accepts the identity and responsibilities of a KR. I think Syl knew that Kaladin shouldn't be focusing on justice and revenge but she didn't fully remember or realize why until it was too late. She did tell Kaladin straight out that his issues with Amaram changed him and that stormlight would leave him if he wasn't using his powers for protection. However, she may not have known how their bond would be effected until she began to lose her mind.

I agree. I was surprised he told Dalinar at all. In fact I started another thread before the book came out wondering if Dalinar would even learn the truth in this book. What happened to Kaladin was soul crushing. I'd have trouble telling something like that to someone I trusted let alone someone I barely know. Yes, he gave up his shardblade for Kaladin and all his bridgemen, but he still barely knows Dalinar. They don't really become "friends" until the end of the book and honestly I think Kaladin is closer to Adolin at this point than Dalinar. I don't think I would have had the courage to tell Dalinar as soon as Kaladin did.

I agree he made a foolish mistake in challenging Amaram at the end of the duel but both Dalinar and Adolin understood why he did what he did, Kaladin in a moment of anger and passion made an uninformed choice. Yes it was foolish, but at least he was trying to duel Amaram in a somewhat honorable way. He never attacked Amaram on the numerous occasions he could have before that. Sadly, I have known people who have held that kind of anger for someone that destroyed their life. Kaladin showed remarkable restraint throughout the book considering.

A large group, not a majority but quite a few people, seem to have an issue with Kaladin's attitude in WoR. Yes, he has a chip the size of a boulder on his shoulder. Yes, he is down right rude to most lighteyes, though to be fair this happened more often after Amaram arrived on the shattered plains. Yes, he has paranoid illogical fears. And you know what, thank goodness. If he didn't he wouldn't be human. He would be a perfect Gary Stu character. Kaladin has just spent a year being destroyed as a human being and being broken for the second time in his life. The first time happened when he lost his brother and he still isn't over that event. Maybe that will be his character arc in book 3. Anyway, if Kaladin were happy it wouldn't be realistic. If he believed wholeheartedly in Dalinar and Adolin it would seem fake. TWoKs was about Kaladin discovering he wasn't powerless and did have control over his life. He only somewhat trusted Dalinar because of one unusual event and Syl's word. In fact I think Syl's opinion of Dalinar had far more to do with Kaladin's choice to put his livelihood in Dalinar's hands. WoR is about him learning to trust again and learning how his choices effect him. And he came through his issues in about two months. People who have been through trauma like his can take years to come to the place he did by the end of WoR. Also, he was aware he wasn't thinking and acting right. He admitted to himself and Syl several times throughout the book. Knowing you have a problem is only the first step in working through it. It took exposure to the Kholins and Shallan to realize how wrong he was about lighteyes in general and that someone with lighteyes could be trusted. This was a really important lesson to learn before he became one himself. Further he needed to trust that his power would not be taken from him again before he could be the poster boy for the KR. Dalinar might be the leader, but he will be in the background. Kaladin will be the champion leading the charge and he will be the face of the Radiants to Roshar. The man at the end of TWoKs or at the beginning of WoR could not have filled that role. Kaladin had already been in that role before when he was Kaladin Stormblessed, the youngest and most celebrated squadleader in Amaram's army. He was already a rising star and then he lost it all. Of course he would believe that it all could be taken from him. All his power was taken from him before. I think that is the reason most of Bridge Four adjusted to freedom better than he did. This new life in Dalinar's army was a first for them and they had Kaladin to protect them. Kaladin didn't have anyone to protect him accept Dalinar and he wasn't completely sure about Dalinar. I was so shocked when Kaladin told Dalinar about Amaram's betrayal. The fact that Kaladin did so was very brave and showed that he was trying. So that's my opinion on Kaladin's attitude in this book. I do hope this is the most angst we get from Kal for the rest of the series. He came a long way in WoR and I found the journey compelling and believable. But if you disagree I would love to discuss it.

All great parts. Yeah that was a tear-jerker scene. I was so glad that Hopper lived. I wonder if Lift could heal him. I also teared up when Pitt talked about being reforged as a man. I teared up when Adolin told Kaladin he believed him. I like him before, but I loved Adolin after that scene. Shallan receiving confirmation of Helaran's death. Great contrast to the euphoria Kaladin is experiencing in the same chapter. Shallan showing Dalinar her powers and Dalinar learning he is not mad and was right all along Oh and after Kaladin saves Dalinar from being tossed into the sky and finally shows everyone what he is Dalinar says:

Szeth's first attack at the Pinnacle. Adolin and Kaladin fight in the arena. Chasmfiend chases Shallan and Kaladin. Urithiru

Enjoying them Feather. Keep it up.

Kaladin and Szeth's final battle.

Action movie line. “The Knights Radiant,” Szeth screamed, “cannot have returned.” “They have,” Kaladin said, yanking his spear back. “And they’re going to kill you.”

“That’s the most ridiculous piece of advice I’ve ever been given.” “You should rub yourself with curry and go prancing through the camp singing Horneater lullabies.” Kaladin looked at Lopen, incredulous. “What?” “See? Now the bit about the hat is only the second most ridiculous piece of advice you’ve ever been given, so you should try it. I love Lopen.

Excellent points. I wonder how you could make that an ideal. I will trust those who follow me to do what is right, even in death. I don't know if that would remove his scar though. But it is a good thought.