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  1. Sart
    What the heck was that? I nearly died back there! I understand people suspect me, but be smart about this. I killed an Eliminator. Now look, a vote in self-preservation isn't the greatest evidence in my favor. However, that vote killed an Eliminator. If that wasn't enough for you, I also used up an item to decide the tie. Imagine if I was an eliminator, or if one of my eliminator buddies had that item. Why would we need to use that item? In that scenario, one eliminator would die regardless. Then why use a one-time action? It wouldn't make any sense, unless serious mind games were going on. The alternative is far more likely. I was a cowardly villager, who didn't want to get lynched. The same thing has happened this cycle. I chose Fifth Scholar at random, and only switched because it wouldn't break the tie. I haven't developed a read on either of them, and now Bort's dead to my actions. You know what's worse though? This: That was the vote tally 21 hours ago. Notice the people who had placed votes? For one, there's only three of them. Even worse, look at the people who were nearly killed. It's the same people. Instead of promoting healthy voting behavior, we're attacking it. Do we have the memories of goldfish? Instead of going based off of retaliation, let's actually look at the thread. I'm going to look at Elenion's posts again, and come back once I have some better reads.
  2. Sart
    Gotta take into account Snipexe changing his vote, ya know?
  3. Sart
    Actually, that doesn't work. Bort
  4. Sart
    Well, now I'm threatened by any vote changes. Fifth Scholar. I killed an Elim in the votes for pete's sake.
  5. Sart
    It's inconceivable! Ridley in Super Smash Bros. Every fighter ever in Smash! It's a dream come true! ...Wait. I'm supposed to be playing a game of Mafia right now. Crap. Let me go over the arguments. The main subject of discussion appears to be Randuir. The main argument appears to be that he killed the Spaniard when the votes were tied. Admittedly, I voted on him last cycle, but I'm not all that suspicious of him. Rather, I was less suspicious of Devotary, because of the role claim. Yes, role claims can be faked. However, there were several reasons why Devotary's claim was unlikely to be fake. First, he was claiming a unique role. If someone counterclaimed, he would have been lynched the next cycle. More importantly, he had the means to back up his claim. He was planning on using his kill last night. Considering that the Spaniard is the only one left besides the Mafia who has a kill, it would have been obvious Devotary was telling the truth. Therefore, his post read as a Cop not wanting to reveal until the last minute. I didn't suspect Randuir, but he was a better target. That being said, I understand why Randuir posted a vote on Devotary. In this game, you can only be certain of one alignment: your own. Thus, it is of utmost imperative that you defend yourself when on the chopping block. Even if you believe 99% that the other target is another villager, it will be better than your own lynch. After all, that's what led to Elenion dying. There are some exceptions, like when the role being claimed is more important than yours. I could see myself sacrificing myself in that situation, but I can also see my survival instinct kicking in. So, if we're writing off that argument, there's not much left against him. On Day 1, he got into a debate with Elenion. That's not total proof, but I find it unlikely that that kind of debate would occur between two teammates. Again, that's not guaranteed, but it points to Randuir being innocent. In addition, is his listings It's also killing discussion by just saying Randuir is guilty. If he turns out innocent, we'll be in trouble. I want to put a vote on Straw. In addition to the weird gut feeling to his posts, he was also protected by Elenion Day 1. Take a look: His voting record also leaves much to be desired. He voted for no one on Day 1, which doesn't help discussion in the slightest. Day 2, he voted for me in retaliation, which nearly lead to us saving Elenion. Further, he voted for Devotary on Day 3, with only 1 sentence worth of logic. I might be flirting with the rules here, but Straw mentioned something last night that got removed for IM reasons. @Straw What exactly happened? I would guess the GM accidentally sent the dead doc link to a Straw and Devotary PM, but that's speculation. It would be be nice to get confirmation, and it would help give us a better understanding of Straw.
  6. Sart
    Well that's a problem. Devotary of Spontaneity is innocent unless we get a counterclaim. I'll swing the lynch over to Randuir, to prevent vote manipulation.
  7. Sart
    Well, we might as well strike while the iron is hot. Devotary of Spontaneity broke the tie and tried to kill me instead of Elenion. I'd like an explanation @Devotary of Spontaneity
  8. Sart
    Uh. So is Elenion is a Guard or a Pirate? You've got it written as both. Given the color, he was probably evil.
  9. Sart
    Sorry Elenion, I had to protect myself, in case you had vote manipulation as well. I used up my Bottle of Rum, so I'm just a normal villager now.
  10. Sart
    That's a good point. It wasn't my item. It could have been Bugsy defending himself, by moving Araris's vote to someone with a vote. Or it could have been an eliminator seeking to capitalize on my vote. That one seems like a waste, as the votes were clearly going towards Araris at the end.
  11. Sart
    I don't like defending myself, since I'm usually bad at it, but it's a necessary evil. Straw is off the hook for now while I vote on Elenion. He's been active and tried defending Araris, which seems like a villager thing to do. However, I know that I'm a villager, and he's the only one I can vote on to tie up the vote. In regards to the Day 1 vote on Roadwalker, it was mostly for meta-game reasoning. A role that negated a kill each cycle seemed not that fun, and would delay the game more than I would like. I would note that no one voted for Roadwalker besides me. I know this is getting into mind games, but why would I do that if I were Evil? It nearly killed me Day 1. I could have instead joined on one of the lynch trains to select my choice of victim, or I could have kept my mouth shut and blended into the shadows. The Night 1 kill is more interesting. There are two scenarios I could see happening. In one case, the Elims learn that Roadwalker is not Miracle Max, possibly by his own words. Claiming that role could have meant that Roadwalker was hiding a village role. In that case, they had every reason to kill Roadwalker. Even if he didn't, Roadwalker would still gather lots of information for the village, which is something they wouldn't want. In the other case, the Elims think Roadwalker is Miracle Max. To be honest, I think Max is more helpful to the Elims than the villagers, but that's my opinion. If they felt threatened, they could only kill Max that night, so it was a shot worth taking. In either case, I didn't need to vote on Roadwalker. I did vote on him though, and I stand by that vote. Judge for yourselves, and if another bandwagon happens, I'll probably jump on it. Like I said, I don't suspect Elenion that much.
  12. Sart
    Vote Count: Eternum (1): Elbereth Hemalurgic Headshot (1): Elenion Fifth Scholar (2): Rathmaskal, Cadmium Compounder Sart (1): Snipexe For all the nonsense you've spun Our leads are near none. And voting really hasn't begun We need our suspicions To create bigger fissions So please, abandon your missions Of ranking the players From weaklings to slayers It buries the truth in more layers Of meaningless prattle Meaning a schoolyard tattle Could start a meaningless battle Let's cut to the chase And finally place Votes on whom to erase With that being said I want Straw to be dead One reason I have in my head He's followed along But called no one wrong And so I finish my song
  13. Sart
    Ah. I was under the impression that alignment would be revealed upon mostly death. That makes a lot more sense, and makes Miracle Max less of a problem. He still delays the game via his healing, but it's more or less fair this way. Good to know.
  14. Sart
    Sowwy for slurring my words. Since Day 1 is often chaotic, I decided to go after a supposed neutral player. I don't like Miracle Max in this game for several reasons. One, he is a neutral player, which means he will be pitting both sides against one another. More importantly, he delays the game. Suppose we lynch or kill an eliminator. Miracle Max then has an incentive to bring that eliminator back from the dead. The next day, we would then have to lynch the eliminator, wasting valuable time. That didn't seem fun to me, so I decided to vote for Roadwalker. Plus, if he is telling the truth, we haven't killed a pirate. At the very least, it was interesting to see your reactions.
  15. Sart
    "AH HA!" "You fools think you awe so cwevew. Howevew, I have deduced that Roadwalker is not in fact a piwate. Thewefowe, we must attack, because miwacles do not happen fow piwates at a wate cowwesponding to non-piwates."
  16. Sart
    I'm struggling to come up with a pun. Sign me up as Grandpa Lace.
  17. Sart
    I'll request a link to the spec doc. I would sign up, but the first week of this game is during finals, so better to play it safe.
  18. Sart
    Alright, I'm just going to say it, this game is broken. Well, not in terms of balance issues, but in one key mechanical issue. There's no way anyone can freaking die. Half the current players have an extra life, meaning that they won't die unless there is a coordinated attack, or if there is a lynch. Let's look at the ways to make an attack. Braize has unfortunately exploded, so that's a no go. Odium got released N1, so no one has any of his investiture, unless they exchanged some at Roshar. Odium is a way to get past the Shard's extra life, but he isn't using his kill, and is instead helping the village by scanning. Dominion hasn't invested in anyone, so no Dakhor Monks are running around. Preservation hasn't invested in anyone, so no Mistborns are running around either. Tada! I have just gone over all the amount of kills in this game. No wonder no one took Honor; there's no kills to protect against! And even if we kill a player, guess what will happen. They'll just get resurrected! The lynch is our only way to kill people this game, and even that can be reversed. This game will go on forever at this rate. So, what are our options? We could try to go for a Sudden Death Win Con! Unfortunately, the Win Cons are fundamentally opposed, so it's doubtful we can get everyone to put their Shards back into confinement. We would need to kill Survival to do that, and surprise, he has an extra life in addition to the Shardic life. It's unlikely we kill him without Odium's help at this point. Okay, maybe we just need more kills. Quick, let's send everyone to Roshar and pick up Odium Investiture. Unfortunately, that won't work either. First, half the people don't have any Investiture, as they are Shards. Second, the people with Investiture are more than likely to hit a Shard, making their attack useless. Games last forever when the villains can't kill anyone. Well, at least we have the lynch right? Well, no, actually, that won't help us either. Let's suppose we lynch a Villager today. Well, that's bad. Don't worry though, Endowment will just bring them back as a Returned. Okay, well, what if we get lucky, and lynch a bad guy? The team might have Ambition, meaning they can resurrect their teammates, or they could have a way to gain an extra life. This is going to grind the game to the halt. It's Day 4, and only 1 person is dead. If this keeps up, we won't be done with this game till June. This is simply absurd. Eventually the village would triumph over the elims, but it would be a long drawn out process that wouldn't be fun for anyone. Okay, so given that this game will go on a severely long time, I propose the following rule changes to quicken the game. Remove the Shardic extra life. This allows kill actions to actually go through, while still letting Survival have their extra life. This will speed up time dramatically. In compensation, allow Shards to use World abilities. It's odd that they can't do this already. They have limitless Investiture, so they should be able to channel that investiture through the worlds. This allows them to start getting Odium investiture, leading to more kills. Finally, make the Returned and Shade decompose after a turn. We don't want death to be a revolving door, but I still want to keep those abilities in the game. Let them take their special action, and then peacefully depart into the Spiritual Realm. Sorry for being so cranky, but I want everyone to have fun this game. I'm saying this as a Villager. It's not fun when the game drags on forever. Thanks for reading this.
  19. Sart
    Sorry I haven't been active. I ran a one-shot RPG yesterday, and that took up most of my free time. So my understanding of the lynch is as follows. Straw is Preservation, which means it is unlikely he has been corrupted by his Shard. However, he could still have been converted by someone. Likewise, HH is Autonomy. However, it is likely HH has been corrupted, as he has used 3 Shardic actions already, and he is planning on using his power to swing the vote. I would rather go for a sure-fire bet than a possible victory. Therefore, I am voting on Hemalurgic Headshot.
  20. Sart
    I can think of several reasons to be on Taldain, Devotary, but I can't think of many that help the village. I've been hiding in Taldain since Day 1 to see who would try to take advantage of its power first. It turns out Devotary went there during the day cycle. If it gets blown up, well, you know who to blame.
  21. Sart
    That vote swung like crazy, which makes me instantly suspicious. I'm having a hard time verifying why people are saying that Straw gets lynched in the early game. The only example of that I can find is the most recent quick fix, where he was lynched day 2. One game does not a pattern make. That's the only evidence I've see in favor of him. I've still got a grievance with how he proposed blowing up Silverlight, after the thread had already come to the conclusion that it would benefit the Elims more than the village. I should note thatI was not in the most recent Quick Fix, so I am hoping my gut read isn't biased. Perhaps I am tunneling, but it didn't feel natural how the voting went. I don't believe we should lynch Pyromancer, as we won't be able to tell his alignment from doing so. We'll waste the lynch if we do that. I'm also suspicious of Orlok in this game. I don't have any evidence for that, but it's a gut feel in combination with him defending Straw.
  22. Sart
    If we want to track where Ruin is, it's honestly not that hard. Blowing up a planet is the only way to worldhop during the Night. Thus, all we need to do is figure out which planet the Vessel landed on. If we got unlucky, they made it back to Silverlight, which doesn't have a doc. Otherwise, if someone new showed up on the world you are on, that means they are most likely Ruin. @Seonid can Ruin choose what planet he lands on after blowing up the planet he was on? If he can, then this line of reasoning isn't actually useful. If it's random though, that can be a very important lead.
  23. Sart
    I disagree on this point. To prevent Hoid or Khriss from getting the sudden death win condition, we should leave one Shard in containment. That way, if one team actually tries to go for it, we'll immediately have a list of suspects, since everyone would theoretically leave Silverlight after the other two Shards are released. I propose we leave Devotion in containment. I don't want lynches getting cancelled in this game, and vote manipulation is more annoying than useful at this point. Honor is good for protecting against Odium, and Endowment can bring people back from the dead, both of which can be helpful for the Village. For that reason, let's free Honor and Endowment tonight, leaving Devotion in containment. I suppose to counter this, an Elim team might try to steal Devotion, but that's not guaranteed, especially if they haven't used all of their conversions yet. Even if they do manage it, we can keep watch for Devotion, as it will most likely be in Elim hands.
  24. Sart
    Since Autonomy has invested in Nalthis, that means the Vessel of Autonomy is on Nalthis. Is anyone else besides Autonomy on Nalthis? They are probably still a villager at this point, but it would be helpful to know if they get corrupted who is holding the Shard. It's something we should keep in mind at least, if we ever decide to go for the Sudden Death Win Condition.
  25. Sart
    The one saying we should stop all discussion and vote for 5th Scholar? No thanks. We've still got 4 hours in this cycle, which is plenty of time to discuss our suspicions and draw more information. I've been in the position of signing up for a game I don't have time for, and I know it sucks. However, I don't want to waste this lynch. In this case, I would rather have the GMs deal with it, whether through a pinch-hitter, or just revving up the inactivity filter. That may be harsh of me, but I think it's the best outcome for the village.
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