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"Well, um, that didn't work. We're not, like, out of options, but it's hard to tell anything from that. Cuz like, the bad guys would be on both lynches, y'know? Well, at least everyone was here tonight, so, um, that's good. Um... so... I'm suspicious of Era, I guess? I mean, my last suspicion was a total dud, y'know? But like, she's been..." "Oh. Um, okay, so Era was a villager. So, like, my suspicion meter is like, way off. I'm suspicious of Ereheman Tresni (Xineoph) but I don't really have any evidence. So, um, that's kind of where I'm at right now. Yeah."
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"Well, um, it's probably important, to, um, know who posted where, y'know?" Vote Count for Cycle 1: Worldhopper from Yolen (0): Sart, Coop772 Steeldancer (0): Araris Valerian Kidpen (0): Alvron Rathmaskal (0): Coop772 Stick (0): Worldhopper from Yolen xineoph512 (0): Elandera Araris Valerian (0): phattemer Coop772 (6): randuir, Snipexe, Worldhopper from Yolen, I think I am here, Kidpen, Steeldancer I think I am here (7): Sart, Araris Valerian, Elandera, Stick, xineoph512, Alvron, phattemer "So, like, um, that was super bad, y'know? Cuz like, an Archivist would have been super good. So, like, maybe we should kill Itiah tonight? So, like, If you're submitting an action to kill someone tonight, just like, put it in the thread. That way it's like a lynch, except, y'know, random. Cuz that would be super helpful, for tracking. But, like don't vote if you're not gonna kill. I mean, obviously people need stuff in their metal minds, right?"
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"Well, erm, I might as well post a vote count:" Worldhopper from Yolen (1): Sart, Coop772 Steeldancer (1): Araris Valerian Kidpen (1): Alvron Rathmaskal (0): Coop772 Stick (1): Worldhopper from Yolen xineoph512 (0): Elandera Coop772 (1): randuir Araris Valerian (1): phattemer I think I am here (1): Sart "So um, like that's not good. Cuz like, I don't really suspect Tarin (Worldhopper from Yolen). They seem friendly, which is, like, super important for new guys. But, um, I haven't seen Kardik @Ark1002 yet. And like, that's not good, cause they're new and all. Please come on by. But um, like, that's leaving it to chance, y'know. And that's not good. Like, I mean, we're mostly good, right? So, luck isn't a good idea. But, um, the person I think is guilty hasn't been voted on yet, so like, it would still be tied. Erm, well, I'll do it anyway." "So, um, Itiah VI @I think I am here. There's a couple things off. He says not to be suspicious of people talking in docs, cuz of the Synod, but like, the Synod's anonymous. And also, he said to not put in kill actions, which like, means the Elims get to do them. And also, he said to make lynches, like, total bandwagons, which makes it easy for bad guys to control it. And he's also, like not voting, which is super lame. And he's not even Terris, so why is he even here? Like, it's all super weird. It's not, um, concrete, or anything, but it's enough for me, y'know?"
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"Well um, hmm... well, yeah, obviously the kill is a big deal, you know. I mean, obviously, the Spiked aren't going to sit around. I mean, they'll probably kill one of us each night, so, like, our numbers will go down fast. But, um, if we kill, y'know, at night, then, well, our numbers keep going down. And if the Spiked take that... Well, so we should take it. Yeah, but I mean, not we alone, but um we together, and um... This is... What I mean is, um, we have like a night lynch. Anyone who, um, votes, puts in an action for killing the, y'know, person they want dead. And then, well, we know who's doing what. And if you don't, um, vote, you can do whatever. So, yeah, that way the bad guys won't take it. Ya know?"
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"Ohmygosh I'm late. I'm sorry, sorry, so sorry. Um, anyway Spiked. There's Spiked. And they're bad. And you know that. And I know that. Obviously. But we can't be too careful, I mean there could be lots of them. Well, maybe not that many. Maybe like 4 of them. That's still a lot. Like a lot, a lot. And they're bad. I already said that. Um, right. We have to, we have to kill someone. That's, that's the only way to be certain you know? So, um, who should we kill? It's not, it's not easy. Um, but we gotta do it. So um, let's um....maybe... if they're new, they're suspicious. Er, well, I'm late, but I'm not new, you know. Er, you might not know. I'm not new. I'm just, uh, trying to think, and I, um, anyway. Um, so new people. Um, Tarin (Worldhopper from Yolen) is new. So like, I don't know them. I mean I don't know that they're Spiked. But um, if they talk, then I'll know them. And if I know them, I know they're not Spiked. Um, well, I guess they could still be Spiked. But they wouldn't, like, be the big scary Spiked in the dark. They'd be like, the tiny Spiked that we can deal with, you know? So um, Tarin @Worldhopper From Yolen do you want to, um, say hi?"
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To heck with it, I'll sign up. I'm going back to school on the 20th, so I'm not sure how I'll active I'll be past then. However, my internship has ended, so I'm going to be bored this next week. I was hoping to join a quick fix during then, but one has failed to materialize.
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"Go then, there are other worlds than these." Steven King As a whole, this forum is focused on the Cosmere. I mean, how could we not be? It's an immersive universe of cosmic proportions, all stemming from one man's brilliant mind. But of course, that's not all that Brandon Sanderson has written. He has made other stories, and we have run games set in those worlds as well. We've even branched out to other authors, merging their creative visions with our own brand of vigilante justice. Thus, it would be a shame if we let this acropolis focus solely on worlds that Hoid can touch. I stole one of those worlds. I took a piece of this literary landscape, and molded it in secret. I made it my own. You've only glimpsed it, but it has shown itself on this battleground. It is a diversion, an aberration, a timeline that should not be, but is. And now, I will reveal it to you. It started with a storm. The rain lashed, the wind howled, and thunder shook our island. Your first platoon had charged too far, too quickly. They were surrounded, outnumbered, and outgunned. The soldiers thought they had won after they strung up one of our shock troopers. That dullard was merely a breeding ground; a den of flies ready to be burst open at any moment. It didn't take long for paranoia to set in. A leak here, a knife in the back there, and soon they were doing our work for us. We learned so much in those days. There was untapped potential there that we had only dreamed of. And as they dug their own graves, we sat back and enjoyed the fireworks. Still, it had to end eventually. We broke their ranks, slaughtered their guards, and laughed as the two survivors turned on each other. They made excellent hosts. We took our time after that. We were hailed as heroes for 'fixing' a problem that we had created. We rose through their ranks, gaining more and more strength every day. Eventually, we had enough to make our next move. It was crude to use explosives, but we longed for more bloodshed. The dregs we had summoned quickly got to work murdering themselves. It was fascinating to see how the deviant humans reacted to extraordinary stimuli. They were much more inclined to bloodshed. Unfortunately, they also proved to be more resistant to conversion. We quickly slaughtered them all. With the deviant elements killed, we set about dismantling their ranks. Unfortunately, we got sloppy. One of our oldest recruits had gone mad, nearly blowing our cover. In addition, a coward among the ranks nearly fled the island, almost ruining our cover. We had too devote too many resources to stopping him, which left us exposed to the villagers. Our soldiers tried to contain the threat, but weren't able to do enough damage. The survivors are still performing guerilla warfare to this very day. We aren't worrying though. We've assumed control of the ranks. There is nothing stopping us from killing your world in an instant. We're just waiting, watching you squirm under our piercing stares. You humans are such interesting creatures. It's fun watching you play, unaware of the danger around you. We've heard your tournaments are particularly cutthroat. So please, be sure to entertain us. We are the Forgotten. And if any Rithmatists try to stop us, well... We always have room in our ranks.
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Let's plan for both outcomes. If Manukos flips Elim: I suspect Walin or Burnt. Burnt slightly more, as Walin finally placed a vote. However, that could have been a bus. If Manukos flips Village: We're in trouble. I would then doubt that both elims are among those who didn't vote on Randuir. In that case, I would suspect Straw. He's the one with the worst alibi, since he was just voting in self-defense (And yes, I am aware how hypocritical that sounds) I'm worried, based on the bandwagon that formed, that the later will occur. Here's hoping I'm wrong though.
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Let's cut the crazy conspiracy theories for a second. There are 4 living players that voted on an Eliminator. They are Fifth, Mr. Doctor, Straw, and Sart. In addition, there are two role claims that have gone unchallenged. Snipexe is the Giant, and Elbereth is Miracle Max. There are 4 players left who are not cleared in this way. If we assume both eliminators are among them, we have a 50% chance of lynching one. They are: Elandera: The talkative one Burnt Spaghetti: The one in PMs manukos: The bad grammar one Walin: The not voting one So, if there isn't a conspiracy, the odds are in our favor. Of course, this is Sanderson elimination. There could always be a conspiracy, and an Elim might have lynched Randuir. I find it unlikely that myself or Fifth are Elims, since we used our vote manipulation to endanger the lives of our supposed teammates. That leaves Mr. Doctor and Straw. However, they are unlikely to be on a team together as Mr. Doctor was trying to lynch Straw yesterday. Unfortunately, both of them are lynching Fifth, who was the one campaigning for Randuir's death. So, even in a worse case scenario, there should be an Elim in that list. @Straw and @Mr Doctor please move your vote. I really don't think an Elim would knife a vote onto their own teammate. So, who is the Elim in that list? Well, Straw isn't on that list so he's disqualified. From their voting, we know manukos suspects Elandera, and trusts Walin. Elandera suspects both Burnt and Walin. Burnt said they were suspicious of Walin and Elandera, and trusted manukos. So, if we assume there are two elims on this list, it becomes obvious who is evil. Since all three others suspect or are suspected by Elandera, they can't be an Elim. It would mean their own teammate was against them. Burnt suspects Walin, so they probably aren't on a team together. Thus, there are only two combinations left. Walin and manukos, or manukos and Burnt. In either case, Manukos is an Eliminator. Of course, that's if there are two Elims in that group. There's always paranoia in these games. There's one thing in particular that's bothering me. Elbereth should have died by now. They haven't been on since June 21st, and their last post was June 15th. @Steeldancer is Elbereth in danger of the filter? @Elbereth have you given up on this game? Again, my logic isn't concrete. I still have a bad gut read of Straw, even after everything. Maybe Mr. Doctor is fooling all of us. Elandera could be throwing shade on a teammate. However, my logic is sound. @manukos who else do you suspect besides Elandera? @Walin have any thoughts to share with the thread finally? I suspect him of being the other Eliminator, honestly. @Burnt Spaghetti you're tied in the lead for the vote. How will you defend yourself? And since I've mentioned basically everyone at this point. @Snipexe the Elims might kill you soon, do you have any wisdom before you leave? @Elandera what are your thoughts on manukos? And @Fifth Scholar are you going to trust me for once? It would be nice.
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Well, that didn't go well. I should have voted on Straw. Yes Randuir voted on him, but that could have been distancing.
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I don't suspect the two vote candidates. So, I'll offer a third. Walin is my best bet right now. Fifth is claiming there is an active Elim putting in the kills. However, he didn't consider Walin to be active. That isn't correct. Walin is active, he just isn't voting. Because of that strategy, I haven't gotten a village read on him, which is less than I can say about the other candidates. Therefore, I'm putting my vote on him.
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On Day 1, Elenion made a weird post defending Straw. It was either a pocket attempt, or a teammate trying to remove suspicion. Other than that, Straw really hasn't done much this game.
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Hmmm... Well poop. The role distribution argument was the cleanest case for my innocence, so it's unfortunate to see it dashed like that. I still suspect the remaining Elims don't have vote manipulation, but that's not confirmed anymore. In regards to my alignment, I'll just have to rely on the fact that I lynched all the known Eliminators. There's being paranoid, and then there's being overly paranoid. I didn't have to do any of that. On Day 2, I didn't have to use a Bottle of Rum, but I did anyway. That lead to Elenion dying for sure, instead of being a tie. On Day 3, I didn't have to switch my vote from Devotary to Randuir. I could have feigned being busy, and guaranteed Randuir's survival instead of the tie we got. I voted on Bort out of necessity. That one, I suppose, could have been a bus. But then, the next cycle, I voted on Randuir at the end. I could have kept rallying for his innocence, and kept my vote on Straw. However, I read through it, and made sure he wouldn't survive. Yes, that could be another bus. At the end of the day though, so many coincidences must have occured to make me an eliminator. Can't we just accept that we've been doing well this game? We've lynched three eliminators, and nearly lynched one Day 3. We've done well as a town, and I don't want to suspect those that have helped us do that. You can give into conspiracies all you want, but I'm innocent. Would whoever did that please claim? It's late enough in the game that revealing roles wouldn't be a bad idea. Considering that Elandera is the one who brought it up, and I already used my Rum on Day 2, it seems likely that @Rathmaskal was the one who used the rum in self-preservation. That wouldn't clear him, because of the GM comment, but I think that would be a point in his favor, especially if Jondesu is an Elim.
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Rum and daggers are listed as miscellaneous roles, while the Prince and Count are Elim roles. A player normally wouldn't have two roles.
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This post. When Jondesu voted, the vote was tied at two on Straw and two on Randuir. Jondesu voted on Straw, which I view as trying to save Randuir.
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Vote Count: Jondesu (2): Elandera, Sart Rathmaskal (2): Fifth, Jondesu Walin (1): Rathmaskal Because people still suspect me, allow me to quote this post. If we assume there are only 5 Elims, I am guaranteed innocent. Let's assume I am an eliminator. On Day 2, someone used a Bottle of Rum on Snipexe's vote, swinging it towards Elenion. I claimed that action, and no one counterclaimed. If that's the case then one of my evil teammates had to use their bottle of rum. We know that Elenion, Bort, and Randuir did not have a bottle of rum. @Steeldancer to make sure I understand, if a person uses their bottle of rum, does it still appear when their death is revealed? Further, we know that the Prince and the Count cannot have a bottle of rum. Therefore, a sixth eliminator must have a bottle of rum. This contradicts our assumption of five eliminators. Ergo, one of the assumptions is false. Thus, regardless of my alignment, there are two eliminators in the player list not including me. However, I realize I was being too hasty in accusing Elandera. Her defense was well reasoned, giving me pause in voting for her. Compared to the other pinch-hitters, she's been the most active, which I greatly appreciate. I should have put my vote where my gut was leading. Jondesu voted to save an eliminator, which is something I just can't ignore. In addition, I was overvaluing that post of Randuir's. He basically placed suspicion on every semi-active voting member of the town. Thus, his post isn't really that indicative of anything. I'm still suspicious of Walin and Snipexe, and suspect one of them is the other eliminator. I'm not feeling the Rath lynch. I understand it could have been a bus, but breaking the tie on an Elim is worth a lot to me.
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Absolutely not. I was parroting Dalinar's thoughts that Rathmaskal's voting analysis, and assumed Rath was the first to vote on Doc12. That much wasn't accurate, as Rath was actually the third voter on Doc12. If Doc12 flipped Elim, that would soft-clear the people voting for him. Unfortunately, that did not happen, which places his voters in a more negative light. I still believe Jondesu was a better target that day. Doc12 had light suspicion of both Elenion and Bort, and was voted on by Bort. Unfortunately, I was busy with my new job, so I didn't state my case well. In terms of who I suspect currently, I would put Rathmaskal on the suspicious side of things. His main saving grace is voting on Randuir, but that could have been a bus. On the other hand, randuir was tied with Straw at that point, so his vote helped seal the deal. That makes me reluctant to vote on him, but it means I need to keep a close eye out on him. In terms of who I trust, there are several soft-cleared players. Val is most likely the Man in Black, so she is cleared. Dalinar has an impeccable voting record, so he also seems cleared. Both Fifth Scholar and Mr. Doctor voted on Araris. Araris was a villager, but I find it interesting that Elenion tried to direct our suspicion towards those who voted for Araris. I suspect that none of the people who did so were Elims, and that Elenion was trying to send us on a wild goose chase. Plus, Fifth lead the vote on Randuir, and I've liked Mr. Doctor's tone. We also know that Randuir tried to throw Straw under the bus when he was under fire. Thus, Straw is probably good, even though I would like him to be more active. Elbereth is probably Miracle Max. So, as you can see, my suspicion list lines up with yours. This cycle, I was going to place a vote on Jondesu, however, I found this post by Randuir. In it, he indicates an elim read on Jondesu. Considering that randuir was an Elim, that means Jondesu is most likely a mislynch, unless we have an WIFOM situation. Thus, I'm going to place my vote on the only other person who attempted to save Randuir. Elandera, you were the person who actually started the vote train on Doc12, You also tried to start the lynch on Walin instead of randuir. While I understood your reasoning, I can't help but be suspicious, considering those are the only parts you've been in the game@Elandera With Randuir expressing suspicion of Jondesu, do you still believe he is a good target to lynch?
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I would rather lynch Jondesu than Doc12. He tried to save an eliminator, and we're just ignoring that? It's more of a symbolic vote than anything at this point, but I think we're putting the horse before the wagon. I suppose if Doc12 is guilty, then Rathmaskal is probably cleared. Also, Fifth Scholar, you're getting paranoid. I was getting pocketed by Randuir, but I saw through it at the end of the last cycle.
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Did my vote switch not occur @Steeldancer?
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I'm tempted to throw my vote on Walin for purely meta-game reasons. He's decided to never vote this game, which is something I hate with a passion. He has promised some analysis to make up for it, but on my read-through of his posts, he hasn't analyzed anything, and only promises to do it later. He has posted some RP which is nice, but not really alignment-indicative. Thus, I'm having a hard time understanding what Drake means by Walin distancing himself from the Elims. Perhaps I misunderstand your meaning. @Drake Marshall what do you consider distancing? This post from Bort also gives me some hesitation. To me at least, this seems like Bort throwing suspicion onto Walin, rather than away from him. I don't think I'll be jumping on that bandwagon anytime soon. Unless that's what you meant by distancing. I apparently got you mixed up with Walin. My apologies. Straw has posted, which is good. Unfortunately, he hasn't posted any analysis either, which is not great. I keep waffling between him and Randuir. I have suspicions of both, which makes this lynch particularly tricky. This may be callous of me, but I'm switching my vote from Straw to Randuir. My gut is just telling me that he is the better lynch target. I trust the people voting for him more than the people voting on Straw. I just hope I'm making the right decision.
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Vote Count: Straw (2): Sart, Randuir Randuir (2): Fifth Scholar, Drake Marshall, Hemalurgic Headshot Snipexe (1): Mr. Doctor Walin (1): Drake Marshall Not sure what else to say here. Most of the people being voted on are in my distrust list, which makes sense. I would like a post from Straw, but I'm not sure my vote is doing any good while it's there. I'll check in tomorrow to re-evaluate my position.
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Voted on by Bort: Walin, Doc12, Dalinar Voted Bort: Devotary, Dalinar, Drake Marshall (Eternum), Sart Light suspicion: Randuir, Doc12 Leans village on Bort: Randuir Questioned by Bort: Hemalurgic Headshot, Fifth Scholar Protected by Bort: Randuir These are my notes on Bort. He didn't attract as much attention as Elenion, so there's less there, but it's still something to work off of. With that in mind, let's go back to my suspicion list. Probably Villager: Bugsy: Got killed by the Elims Hemalurgic Headshot: Elenion and Bort's suspicion Drake Marshall (Eternum): Involved in lynching both Elims Sart: Kills both Elims in self-defense Doc12: Voted on by Bort, and had light suspicions of both Elims Dalinar: Votes on Bort Possibly Villager: Walin: Bort votes for him Day 1 Rathmaskal: Agrees with Eternum about Elenion, but doesn't place a vote Neutral Reads: Mr. Doctor: Votes on me, nearly saving Bort. He did have some suspicion of Elenion, but no vote. Fifth Scholar: I misread one of his posts, which made me think he was defending Elenion. Plus he's voted for Straw in the past. Elbereth: Neutral role Elandera (Coop772), Manukos (Elephant Earwax), Burnt Spaghetti (Mark IV): Pinch-hitters who haven't done much Jondesu: Mostly inactive. I was perhaps too harsh going straight to Elim Possibly Elim: Randuir: It's possible that the banter with Elenion was faked. Bort's protection, plus leaning village on Bort in later cycles does not look good.. Snipexe: He nearly saved an Elim. Ironically, his unabashed tunneling on me makes me want to trust him. Straw: It's quite possible I'm tunneling too hard, hence the promotion to possibly Elim. Val: Didn't want to post any votes. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Well, I'm not sure Bort gave us a lot of suspects, but his death did give us more people to trust. There's no confirmation of course, but it helps to narrow down the field.
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And this is why I've been voting to save myself. I've managed to kill two Eliminators with my vote. Will people stop suspecting me now? Probably not, but I'm proud of what I've accomplished, albeit inadvertently. And because I promised to put a vote down right away, Straw. I still need to look at everyone's interactions with Bort, but you were sticking out beforehand, and I stand by my read.
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Agreed. Contribution Crusades are about as successful as the real ones. Obviously I don't like inactives, but poke voting them doesn't seem to spur very much activity other than "I'm sorry, I've been busy. I'll try to read over the thread later." That's doesn't give any hints to alignment, so why even bother posting that? The point I was trying to make was that we were lynching active voters. We need to start voting sooner in the cycle, so people have time to react, instead of this crazy vote-swinging that we've been prone to. The lynch is the village's only way of killing Elims at this point in the game, so it's vital that we utilize it to its full extent. To combat these low effort posts, I have a suggestion to make. In your first post today, put down a vote. I don't care if you haven't had a chance to read over the thread again. Just use your gut instinct, and lay down an opinion based off the vibe you've been getting. It's totally okay if you change it later if you re-read the thread, or if you come up with a better target. All I want is some record of people's suspicions. This game lives and dies by the lynch so let's actively engage with it.
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Defends Elenion: Fifth Scholar, Elbereth No analysis on Elenion: Walin, Hemalurgic Headshot, Snipexe, Jondesu, Dalinar, Straw, Val, Mark, Bort Light suspicion: Doc12, Randuir, Rathmaskal Waffles: Mr. Doctor Voted on Elenion: Randuir (Day 1 retracted), Bugsy (Day 1), Eternum (Drake Marshall), Cadmium Compounder, Sart (retaliation) Inactive: Coop772 (Elandera), Elephant Earwax (Manukos) Elenion voted for them: Bugsy, Hemalurgic Headshot Defended by Elenion: Straw, Araris, Fifth Scholar, Doc12, Mr. Doctor Elenion mentions as vote targets: Fifth, Eternum (Drake Marshall) Elenion suggests one person who voted on Araris must be evil. Those people are: Eternum, Doc12, Mr. Doctor, HH, and Fifth These are my notes, but they roughly correspond to how people felt about Elenion while he was alive. This doesn't include information from Day 3 or Day 4. However, this does help me build a suspicion list. Probably Villager: Bugsy: Votes on Elenion, and voted by Elenion Hemalurgic Headshot: Elenion attempts to kill him Drake Marshall (Eternum): Votes on Elenion with great logic Sart: Seals the deal on Elenion's death Possibly Villager: Mr. Doctor: Was very suspicious of Elenion, but backs off on voting him. Reads as self-doubt of a new player Rathmaskal: Agrees with Eternum, doesn't put a vote on though. Again, new player, at least to me Randuir: The Day 3 lynch doesn't look good, but the poke vote and debate with Elenion are points in his favor Neutral Reads: Doc12: Elenion's biggest villager read, which gives me pause. However, he did throw some suspicion Elenion's way on Night 1. Walin, Dalinar, Val, Mark, Bort: No input on Elenion. Elandera (Coop772), Manukos (Elephant Earwax): Inactive, but now replaced Elbereth: Claims to be neutral role. I really don't like her defending Elenion, but it could have been genuine. Possibly Elim: Snipexe: Tunneling on Sart like crazy. He's voted for me every cycle. Fifth Scholar: The main point against her is that she defended Elenion. Elenion defended her in one of his posts, but also put her up as a lynch target in the same one. Jondesu: Usually votes more than this. I would like to see more from him Probably Elim: Straw: Defended by Elenion in a weird post Day 1. Barely expressed any view points in thread. He just seems to be going under the radar too much. These are my reads. Obviously these are a matter of opinion, but I think they are a good place to start.
