Windrunner

Personally, I'd think the person was seeing Shallan's "truthspren" or a similar spren, considering how they're called the symbolheads.

I'd heard that for a few of the early chapters and possibly some of the late ones Brandon has not written the annotations yet. He's been working on some TWoK ones as well.

Might you want to actually confirm that Denth is a member of the Royal Locks? I'd be completely shocked if he was, so you might want to ask about that first, because if he's not, that question isn't going to be helpful. You could always make it into a two part question.

So, as I was listening to this, I was just going to post this in the comments section, but then it started getting a little long for that. Here's my post of ungodly length, perhaps the longest I've done. Don't you go ragging on my AonDor! I'd love to see someone learn how AonDor works, haha. I'd guess personally that if you know enough modifiers, you could replicate the effects of any other manifestation of investiture. At the beginning of Elantris Galladon's been in Elantris more then five or six months (because he didn't know about the collapse of the Duladen Republic but less then a year. Here's what I've always kind of thought was the reason that no one figured out the earthquake thing. Firstly, the Elantrians obfuscated the process by which AonDor worked, no one knew about the tie to the land. So all that information died with them. I'd imagine scholars would have postulated the earthquake thing, but there was no indication to them why the earthquake would have screwed with the city, as they didn't know about the connection. And if they did correctly guess, no one knew about the shape of the cities, and they were imprisoning everyone who could have fixed it. Secondly, I'd imagine that it would be pretty difficult to differentiate between what happened first, the earthquake or the city ceasing to glow. The shock wave isn't instantaneous, whereas when Aons cease to function, it happens pretty quickly. So the city could have stopped glowing seconds before the earthquake hit the city. It would appear that the earthquake had been caused by the city's fall, and no one who had seen the chasm form would know any different. They wouldn't have even known about the chasm for a while, initially. Seons are instantaneous sure, but most were bound to Elantrians, and lost their minds the second the Reod hit. So that pretty much crippled their instantaneous communications, it would have been weeks before someone from the south actually arrived at the capital, even if some rumors had filtered through the few remaining sane Seons. Even those would have been considered "suspect" because of their ties to AonDor and thus Elantris. Also just as a side-note, while the Jindooese are an "Asian" culture, they're ethnically black. I can't decide if that makes it more or less racist though XD I'm probably rationalizing here, but I always figured that Iadon made the law about his son speaking in court before Raoden got over his hero worship of Iadon. Once Raoden actually began challenging him, it was too late for Iadon to change the laws because Raoden had become so beloved that silencing him would have majorly pissed off a lot of people. While using Jalla as a spy is certainly something I'd never considered, I wonder if Hrathen would actually buy that "coincidentally", a member of the Princess's family who has been working against him has converted to Shu-Dereth. I am with Mi'ch on the streets being Aon modifiers. They glow, when if you consider it, only the walls and the central palace that forms the dot should be glowing, they're the only parts of the base Aon. The buildings in the outer cities didn't glow though. You "could" make the argument though that the Cognitive aspect of the city as a whole (if that's even possible) sees the city as one entity, so if part of it's glowing, the whole thing glows. Another potential modifier I noticed is that if you look at the base Rao, the square and all the circles are about the same size. However, it took "hours" to cross even a portion of Elantris, while there's never any indication of that scale in Kae, which is even bigger then its circle. So in the actual modified Rao, the central square is far far larger then the circles then it would be in a base Rao. The wall of Kae is mentioned at other points, but it is true that her noticing it would have been good. I've always wondered if Shu-Dereth was onto something by choosing a god of rocks who lived beneath the land, because of the obvious ties the Shards on Sel have to the land. The question of Dilaf is interesting. I do believe in one of the annotations that Brandon says that Wyrn sent Dilaf and several other Dakhor plants, who have not been uncovered, to destroy Elantris, but before they did so, the city fell. Makes me wonder what exactly they were doing in the ten years leading to the fall. It wouldn't have been easy to destroy the city when the Elantrians were at full power, but sending Dilaf does make sense, he's one of the most powerful Dakhor in existence. I can see Wyrn leaving them there though, to try to shape the new government to be more amenable to Dakhor's dominion. As I told Eric a couple weeks ago, Hrathen is 42 during Elantris Just for fun, Sarene is 25. Perhaps Dilaf talks about Sycla as the world, because it's the only land he really cares about? They want Teod though... Fjorden is known for ignoring the bits of the world that they don't control though, so I'm not quite sure. I imagine that any wrinkles might get smoothed in the annotated version, but a few of the comments from Brandon have made me wonder if perhaps the Rose Empire was already a concept, and he just plugged Forgery in there when he developed it. Okay, here's my best information on how old Elantris is. When King Rhashm first brought the Aonic people to Arelon, the city was already there, abandoned. Fun fact, Rhasham made them live there even though they all thought it was haunted. Anyway, since by the Middle Era Arelon was taking shape politically, I'd imagine that was the Early Era, which is, far more then 200 years ago. (My gut says 600+ but that's got no facts). Really really great podcast guys. I'm hoping someone will comment on this because you guys brought up some incredibly fun points to discuss.

We've asked Brandon this before, but it just makes things more complicated XD

This might help as well, although I guess there could be minor worldbuilding spoilers in there.

Shards don't know anything about each other. Sazed couldn't figure anything out about the other Shards. So Odium could go wherever he wanted, but he doesn't know where the other Shards are necessarily. Farther away is better. And if you're in the same system as Odium, I wouldn't exactly call that "hiding". I don't believe that the Nightwatcher is the result of a Shard apart from Honor, Cultivation, or Odium.

He also just happens to have copy 111 and that's page 111, so it could be a coincidence.

You know Vasher actually does that, right Joe? He makes them fight for him.

The word is that every time someone asks for it, it gets delayed for a day In all seriousness, it's being worked on now. Josh and Mi'ch record everything said to Brandon so there's a lot of stuff in there that is basically irrelevant, people saying hello and whatnot. There's also audio from other recent signings so they've got upwards of ~12 hours total to sift through, it's going to take some time. Rest assured that it will be posted as soon as possible. I have it on good authority that there are some pretty awesome things in there, so just sit tight and it'll be out soon.

Nope, when I said conjoined, I meant conjoined. It's an adjective not a noun, and is used in TWoK.

I know, and have known for quite some time, that Wyrn can see the future. My point about his prophecies not all necessarily being things he's seen still holds true. I think that Bloodsealing being of Dominion is a reasonable hypothesis, although I am hesitant to label any magic as belonging to any particular Shard for sure. Sel's confusing, it's hard to tell what's really going on here, and if any of the magics are in fact only of one Shard.

I didn't say that he can't see the future, I'm well aware of his abilities. I stand by what I said. When someone says "Wyrn has a prophecy" that doesn't mean the same thing as Wyrn can see the future. My point was that although Wyrn can see the future, that does not mean that Wyrn's prophecy comes from the future or even anywhere reliable. I said there was a good chance it did, but that you can't really prove it definitively either way. Things change all the time here. I doubt there was any mention of Jaddeth returning when he was god of rocks. Brandon disagrees with the fact that people are free to make up their own prophecies? I did not see that there. Wyrn can see the future, yes. He's obviously not too great at it, what with his utter failure in Elantris, but he can see. That doesn't mean he doesn't say whatever the heck he wants to. He has them ignore their "prophecies" with alarming regularity. They're supposed to control the whole world to bring Jaddeth back, but they ignored the Rose Empire. And in Brandon's plans for Elantris 2, now that their invasion has failed they're ignoring the fact that Arelon and Teod still survive and claiming Jaddeth is coming back anyway. Well when you say things that aren't explained much, like this, it's pretty easy to interpret your words in many ways.

Dude, anyone can come up with a prophecy, it doesn't necessarily have to be related to a Shard, even if we've seen prophecies from Shards before. You cannot use that as credible proof. There's no indication that Seons and Skaze are the source of any magic systems. I'm sure they're tied but I doubt that they're the cause. There's not even any indication that there are any Skaze in the Rose Empire, or that the Rose Empire even knows that the Skaze exist. Brandon's said that they tend to stay in Fjorden influencing politics there.

Hmm... Here's the thing to understand about Splinters. They are almost like-mini shards, often with their own intent. They're not inherently sentient. The Divine Breath, for example, is a non-sentient Splinter. Someone can hold a Splinter, or Splinters can likely be brought to consciousness, like possible Seons, Skaze, and honorspren. So, do you mean "people with splinters"? Or were you referring to something else?

I'd imagine it'll be a bit later. From what I understand there's a lot of other audio that needs to be cut down as well, there's typically a lot of filler.

Not quite sure what you mean by "skaze" here. You know that Skaze are basically evil Seons, right? There's nothing to suggest that Skaze have any abilities beyond the Seons, let alone the ability to have their own magic system. It's not a single being. Unless you're referring to Skai, which is an entirely different thing. Skai doesn't "have" a magic system, Dominion does. I don't even know where the "dominion over the dead" thing is coming from, unless you're maybe referring to Jaddeth? He's not proven to be tied to Dominion, although it's a possibility. I would suggest you don't attach too much import to any Derethi religious beliefs, we know things like that have changed over time, been downright manipulated, or flat out wrong to begin with.

I know Nepene. How would Gavilar know though? There's no evidence to point to it. The Heralds seem ashamed, it's not like one's going to introduce himself to a king. "Hey, about half of your religion is based on a lie, I betrayed both you and your god to death and destruction," isn't exactly a great conversation starter. This is like meeting a guy in the street who claims to be an angel. There's nothing to suggest that Gavilar, or anyone on modern Roshar aside from Hoid, has any idea what the Heralds did. The only "possible" scenario I could see there would be Gavilar screwing stuff up in a misguided attempt to free Taln. I strongly doubt this is the reason.

Eh, I don't think it would be that easy or likely that Gavilar found a way to trigger the True Desolation. Although, here's another question. Why would Gavilar even want the Heralds back? According to Vorin theology, they're busy fighting for the Tranquiline Halls. Calling them back to Roshar would hurt the fight there.

That's a truly excellent point, Inkthinker, I'm glad you brought it up. Here's one candidate who I was thinking for the Parshendi gods. Perhaps the Unmade? If they're the eqivalent of the Heralds, that's pretty freaking scary. And what happened to them? If they've become trapped, or imprisoned somewhere or how, perhaps Gavilar figured out how to access them, without understanding what he was doing. Maybe he's even mistaken them for the Heralds, he was devout. He could have told the Parshendi, "Hey, guess what I figured out how to do?" and the Parshendi, knowing the full import, promptly lost it. Although, where did you see that they regret their actions? I hadn't picked up on that.

Spanreeds are made of a type of fabrial, known as a coinjoiner, so "coinjoined rubies" is actually an apt phrase.

Unfortunately, not me :/ What questions are you going to ask him? Thanks for that Bavland article by the way

Woah, Demoux did not appear in Elantris. It's set centuries before Mistborn. I've never seen anything anywhere that hints at that.

That's an excellent point, it's possible that he didn't complete what he was planning but started it at least. He believed that the Parshendi had no reason to kill him, it wouldn't make any sense. So whatever he was planning, he thought it would benefit the Parshendi. Perhaps he thought that they wanted their gods back?