Tamriel Wolfsbaine

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I have always liked the idea of making some John Carter of Mars character capable of jumping stupid distances and safely landing. If the momentum gets shed as you drop weight (which I totally see as a possibility though its one of those weird parts of iron feruchemy that breaks science for me, just like how mass doesnt actually increase because then you would have super dense walls of men walking around) ... If the momentum does get shed then I suppose going A-pewter and F-iron would be the closest to that. Pewter strength jump at next to no weight at all and then slowly tap as you approach the ground. And yeah, bad timing could easily get you pancaked on the ground.

As far as landing it should be EZPZ. Double your weight and your speed cuts in half. It doesn't take a bunch of weight to slow you down to next to nothing and at that point your body is magically enhanced to absorb the shock of falling at that weight.

This is pretty much how I pictured it. Same 300 grain bullet out of a 45 colt would be your typical TFE powered mistborn. Then you have the 45-70 as the lerasium mistborn which even at the same weight basically packs that much more ump. More powder behind that hunk of lead. As for Wax... That is something I have been wishing brandon did more to show. It happened in his conversation in BoM where he mentioned storing a going faster vs tapping and slowing down. Conservation of momentum does say that if he doubled his size before a push off of the ground and then stored as much as he possibly could once airborn he would take off a bit like a rocket. He should have the ability to double / triple / even more his speed based on how heavy he was when he pushes. As for slowing down so many people get confused by the idea of becoming light as a feather but all he really needs to do is make himself two / three / or more times as heavy as he is falling to sap all of that speed and land safely with his feruchemically enhanced bone structure build to withstand those forces that come with being so heavy.

Okay.... I was hanging around another thread and the question popped into my mind whether spiking attributes would steal away the magically boosted attributes if stolen from a being in the cosmere currently boosting said attributes. Please assume the answer is yes for this question: Would you rather use Lerasium to become a mistborn... or as a spike to spike a mistborn. Would your answer change if that mistborn were filled up with pewter / tin and some identity blanked metalminds that you could nicroburst them as you are staking them to steal all of that compounded mental speed / strength / senses? Would you require any specific things be stored before the spike is worth it? I figure you have to give up so many perks from burning metals but if you had some tin minds with steel sight / atium sight / bronze along with some zinc metalminds you are forcing the mistborn to burn all at once... in combination with strength and other base senses you could totally make a monster NPC with a single Lerasium spike and the mistborns stomach size is truly the only limit here.

That seems like a fair bit of logic to me. Seems like you could make some truly disgusting combos with this. In light of this possibility if it were allowed in the forum what would be the charge per spike to add on that you loaded up a pewterarm with a stomaches worth of pewter, then nicroburst him as you stabbed him with the iron spike? I assume the pewter wouldnt be enough to keep him alive through the whole process anyway but you could be looking at 10s if not 100s of peoples worth of strength from a single spike.

Thanks for this answer. It does bring up 2 questions. If a mistborn was burning tin and pewter or if a feruchemist were tapping the same metals and you spiked them with lerasium would you steal their current advanced senses and strength or mental speed in the case of someone burning atium or tapping zinc? Or does it only steal base attributes, being able to tell what parts of that spiritweb are actively being influenced by other investiture? As for Marsh that would be 1 atium spike for the F atium or 2 electrum spikes? I guess a lerasium spike for 300 could potentially be worth using if it were used on the right person at the right time. (I assume certain parshendi forms would grant more attributes based on their specialization at the time even if you had recently switched). If it doesn't take investiture enhanced attributes we could use it on Rock to see how much strength he actually had baseline vs after his hanging out in pools.

I am grateful for this list as I love building things like this. That said it poses a question. If I were rebuilding Marsh would it be: 2 atium spikes, 20 regular spikes, misting, sack of atium? That totals 1152. (Assuming atium spikes were the way he is staying alive via compounding). Or would you count it as 1 atium spike and go off of the idea that all scadrial native peoples could burn atium due to God metal? Putting it at 852. Maybe I am missing what atium spikes and lerasium spikes do in this case as well. Perhaps the list is more based around rarity vs power rating.

For copper compounding how do you narrators let the physical memory play out? Say a person starts compounding with physical mimicry to mirror an opponent or if your player has devoted time to memorizing katas or whatever. Would you offer them an extra dice or count it as a condition somehow? Or do you exclude the application of that and just make them buy a new trait with advancements stating they have memorized every Bruce Lee movie ever and they can apply that to some combat or whatever? I know it says it stays within their physical ability... but do you take that to mean there is no real combat use to the stunt or work it in another way?

I dont know that that is entirely the case. The ground doesn't suddenly absorb the metals in a mistborns stomach. I dont think it would suddenly leech away all of an awakeners breath. Perhaps in a way like a metalmind it would strongly dilute biochroma but I dont see it depleting it. It works against very short acting investiture like stormlight but that is leaky and doesnt stick anyways. The other forms of investiture are far less fickle as to flee the holder at first pass.

In the worlds of investiture who truly does hold the most? I am curious which characters could hold onto Nightblood completely drawn the longest. I know the only real answer is a bondsmith with a perpendicularity open next to them... but lets look at a few others. Elantrian's. Having never read this book I can't really give any thoughts on how invested they are but I imagine they could hold it for a good amount of time. The Godking. With the 50,000 breaths we know he has how long do you suppose he lasts? The Lord Ruler at his peak with all those full metalminds and a stomach full of metals. How long would a wearer with the bands of mourning last? Sandmasters? I think they convert water into investiture or something along those lines? Other radiants minus a perpendicularity next to them. Normal spheres weaved into clothing and such. (Gotta ask if ideals make a difference in Nightbloods feeding like they do in how effecient a radiant is with surges) Vin at the end of HoA while breathing mist. I know I talk about how there is no actual formula or basis for us to measure actual investiture levels and purity or quantity from world to world but curious of your thoughts.

Okay perfect. That is pretty much what I was picturing... Wax may not have had the strength of a lerasium mistborn in that the factory gets obliterated by him... he may not have had the powder to punch through it... but he had the weight to make it buckle no matter the allomantic strength. Likewise, I think Vin with the wall would have still broken through that door... it would have been far more time under tension and the pewter would not have been enough on its own. When she duralumin burned she likely loaded up a bunch more powder for the shot and the pewter simply kept her alive. Both feats required more than just steel alone or else the allomancer surely would have died. Wax was saved by the feruchemy allowing his body to withstand those forces and weight. Vin survived because she had a massive pewter flare along with it causing her body to survive the forces.

I believe the strength of steel is more a matter of how small am object or how invested an object can be before you can no longer have an affect with it. Although that makes me question how flaring actually increases it... if you can already shove an object would you more umph! out of that shove? Like a really hot loaded .357 Buffalo Bore vs some light cowboy loads... It still wouldn't effect the size difference rules we have it would just effect the velocity of whichever side is smaller...

It would be a terrible waste if a leecher were to have touched them to.

You could compound them allowing access to give many people the fullborn powers. Bummer they got drained before they could be compounded... If you burnt them and you were not storing into other metalminds at the same it would potentially end very very badly.

Just comparing Dalinar to Iron Man and his demise once holding the power of the stones. I think it would be terribly overplayed to make Dalinar Sazed 2.0. I don't see it playing out where he simply takes that power and gets to do as he wishes with it consequence free. I think anyone who takes odiums power is going to die for it instead of hanging out like a G.

To be fair when my 11 year old wants to spar with me I don't outright beat him to dust. I'm twice his size and I don't have anything to prove to him.... then there are times when he overstep clearly in an inappropriate manner and he quickly learns he isn't quite as big and bad as he thought. Odium has no need to prove anything to Dalinar. I wouldn't expect a shard to respond in all seriousness to a petulant child who is getting too big for his briches. I'm not saying Dalinar won't be the most powerful being in the universe... I'm just saying nightblood got full and couldn't do the job... what has Dalinar proven other than he is stubborn enough to do it. A real "I am Iron Man" before the snap. Was he strong enough to pull it off? Sure. Will he be strong enough to survive it long enough to flex around? That's a different story.

A bunch of whackyness is plate weight. Normal horses could carry a shardplate wearer on their backs. I have read 600lbs and I know I heard 1400lbs a few times. 2000 is the highest I have heard and this is a first for me. Still kind of besides the fact if Wax is able to store millions of lbs over the course of a day or two to draw from. Vin vs kelsier probably had a weight difference well within reach for a person storing like Wax even without compounding. Would it run out? Of course. I do think it would be more than a couple pushes though. And Wax's bracers hold all of that weight... This is pretty much my point. I don't think Vin ever used duralumin to increase the strength of the pushes as much as she did it to brace herself with pewter. There is no magical Vin vs Kelsier standing on even ground going weight vs weight where the steel push would do anything more than just shoot her back. It might shoot her back further or faster but it would never allow Vin to send Kelsier flying. Hence my thoughts that Wax was able to bring down a building without ripping out his insides due to the protection that F iron gave his hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of lbs self when he crunched an entire structure under him. Honestly one of the images in my mind ever since reading TWoK is a crasher bounding above the chasm field with a blacksmiths hammer and then shoving it down through the chasmfiend.

I am well aware of the limits against pushing plate. I simply meant when that coin hits the plate or touches the plate and the person pushing it happens to be thousands of lbs. I also have been curious of where the line is drawn between weight vs weight and allomantic strength in pushing and pulling metals. In TFE it was painted as being just the weight vs weight. Once we get to Vin blowing down the doors to the well of ascension things get fuzzy. Was she burning duralumin for the steel or for the pewter to protect herself? They both went because thats how duralumin worked but what are the odds her being braced against the wall would have still done the job even if it killed her in the process minus the duralumin? Also we don't see Wax dying from internal injury when he turns himself into the anchor point to crush the building... I imagine that would put similar pressure on Wax's body... I also imagine that if he needed pewter to make that work we would have known then. I see it as iron tapping makes your body capable of withstanding those forces. Vin needed pewter to survive as she didn't have the magical barriers to physics that Feruchemical iron granted Wax. The two examples both had the same outcome but one needed pewter because she was in between 2 anchor points that wanted to crush her. The other simply turned himself into an anchor point. If I am missing something here let me know, but after thinking it through more... unless that coin slides off of the plate instead of smashing nice and tight against the plate then the radiant should go for a tumble when faced with a multiple ton Wax pushing.... Not because he pushes the plate but because once a coin is stuck on it then it becomes the mirror image of Vins push war against Kelsier.

Thanks for that Wax math. I think that does a lot to tell us just how much metalminds can hold too as he certainly isn't crushing buildings on a daily basis. For conservation of momentum though I am shocked Wax hasn't learned how to rocket himself around in combination with his A steel. Think to double/triple weight and do a push then store everything once you are skybound... then tap the fatness again as you land. He could get away with a lot more that what we have seen so far. Plate might block coins but I imagine being able to tap that much weight Wax would be able to send some radiants flying (though the question is would that crush him without pewter?)

Yes. You would lose the magical cutting on 3 realms and be left with a normal sword vs body. That isn't to say that the skin wouldn't resist, to some extent, the regular cutting edge of the blade if it is coated in a god metal. It is just to say that the resistance would be based on how hard and thick that metal is. I don't have the time to dig for more but this is the principle I am talking about. An aluminum rod could be used against a shardblade but aluminum foil could not. The shardblade is still a sword. Swords cut things on the physical plane with or without magic. I believe the Elantrian would escape the soul cutting just as aluminum would stop that. But skin would be closer to foil than a rod and would still be plenty susceptible to the sword blade itself in the physical.

I think there is a difference in cutting the soul and not. Their skin may be enough to stop the blade from fuzzing and cutting the soul but it would still just be a blade against skin and I imagine they would be gashed something terrible. I imagine that to be the same with awakened cloth. The magical cutting would likely not happen but it is still a sharp blade and could likely cut through the cloth. The reason metalminds could be made into armor or weapons to resist is that it is then metal vs metal. Even at that certain metals certainly would work better at this than others due to some metals being so much softer than others. The investiture would likely stop fuzzing and the soul cutting of a shardblade but the receiver of the cut would probably be injured non the same. If they escape they would heal a lot better than a withered dead arm.

For sure A pewter in combination with a 2 or 3 metal medallion will be a huge threat. My personal go to would be steel gold iron. I would give up pewter compounding for a slow fall option as well as extra speed and healing.

I am a sucker for spoilers (I still refuse to watch season 5 of Chuck because I think the end to season 4 gave me a much happier closing to the show than what I read happens at end of series). I had the entire magic system spoiled for me and that is the entire reason I got into the cosmere. I actually enjoy knowing where characters end up so I can enjoy watching the way they get there. But I am a different person in that regard to most. I loved the ending to HoA. Even knowing parts of it ahead of time I promise the way it all unfolds is fun enough to experience that knowing bits of the end won't ruin anything for you. The Avengers win. We all know they win. Its how they get there that is what makes watching them fun.

I have to say this totally reminds me of that JT movie "In Time". Just another reason to love Nalthis and Biochroma more.