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Disclaimer, I think Fullborn would win (F-steel -> get close -> F-pewter + A-pewter + A-duralumin punch -> A-nicrosil + A-duralumin -> F-pewter punch) But F-Duralumin would not just allow Fullborn to become 'friend' of the Radiant. While it can form Connection by connecting to e.g. land, person etc. it does not necessarily allow to choose what kind of bond it creates. Much more realistic is that tapping F-duralumin would strengthen the connection 'being enemies since we are fighting to death', not overwrite it with 'friends'. And if it did, it goes both ways, so suddently Fullborn would consider himself friend of Radiant as well. And the squire trick would probably be more invovled, as per WoB it would require a bit of legwork, and is more complicated then other methods. No it is not, aging is part of spiritual ideal, so age related health issues cannot be cured by gold, even with compounding. Can he? We don't know how medallions are made, only that it requires excisor and some powers are involved. Whereas squires are proven to spring into existence just from people being friends with Windrunner.

Ah, no the fun with languages and letters and pronunciations I have my share of those as well, with my RL name using combinations and orders of letters uncommon in English, leading to some interesting pronunciations. I would say yes, as from the viewpoint of Windrunner it is effectively the same as bullet, being a projectile propelled by 'explosion'. More refined intent would possibly leave it unaffected (i.e. if Windrunner would want to shoot themselves). My opinion of course. Yes, I reason along similar lines. A lot would be riding on his perception there I think.

If you find these threads to be without integrity to begin with, why participate? Others clearly feel differently, and find them useful and interesting. If you feel you shout into void without factual basis why do so? Personally I try to root my arguments either in books, WoBs, or order of magnitude estimates from the books (like for the strength of push on coin). I agree with @IlstrawberrySeed (took me while to figure out what are the first two letters ) that in the discussion people are at least forced to defend their opinion, making it (IMO) more valuable then a poll. And if someones opinion is clearly based on misunderstanding of the powers etc. it does affect the weight of their opinion. Of course it is at the end still a discussion about fictional powers and people, however the discussion can be fun purely for the rhetorical and intellectual exercise it offers. Her future sight could allow for it, but possibly other restrictions could not. Cultivation's vessel is a dragon, and from the other example (Xisis) it seems that their interference is limited to deal making, prohibiting Cultivation from overt manipulation of events in her favor. Seeing that so far all of Cultivation's interference was from deal making, this suggest that she can plausibly operate under such restriction herself. Happy to help, and sorry for not being clear from the go. On the Intent affecting it, I meant that seemingly the strength of Reverse Lashing is determined by the intentended effect, i.e. Kaladin wanted to draw arrows towards him, so the strength was appropriate for that effect. Kaladin wanted to rip a head off, so the strength was appropriate. Effectively this makes it relatively instinctual to use, as you 'just' pull as much as you 'Intent' to. This despite him being unpracticed and relatively unfamiliar with Reverse Lashing usage. That is by contract with Basic Lashing, where it seems that the natural way to work with it is by applying 'single Lashing', and strength is then changed by applying it multiple times. Later on with more practice, we see Windrunners use half/quarter Lashings etc, and later still SA5 reading spoilers So for the Basic Lashing you can get to the instinctual/only Intent usage as well, but it takes more time and practice. Could you explain? I don't think I understand your point here. It would require perceiving bullet as consisting of multiple parts, which while Wax was able to do a few times, not with consistency to rely on it. Plus again, the speed at which the bullet would be moving would render such attempt to orient extremely difficult, you would need to adjust the bullet on ~0.01 seconds scale, which is beyond human reflexes.

I think you would end up horribly mutilated by such spike. I mean the set Chimeras were awful dog things, and they only had one spike. I would expect that spiking in non-human sourced attributes would result in big changes, despite it being single spike. While the attribute is still 'strength' the soul in the spike is still non-human, and I would expect that to have effect. Hemalurgy really is lovely source of body horror is it not?

May I ask, what is the purpose of this? It really does not seem like you are really discussing anything with honest intent. And just to address, Vin had training (Kaladin got none), Vin was selected by two Shards that manipulated her to her endpoint (Kaladin as far as we know achieved it without such intervention), Cultivation only affect people who make deals with her (Taravangian, Dalinar, Lift) no one else (Preservation and Ruin could learn a thing or two about consent from her ) so Kaladin could not have been selected by her. I am not saying this to dismiss Vin, just feels like your points are intentionally oversimplified and miss important context.

Or not, depends on context. To the topic at hand, I'll focus on only Windrunner primarily for other Orders we know too little (I think Elsecaller can still easily win by moving to CR as usual and soulcasting as needed). I'll assume both have equal amount of Investiture available to them, since both are fueled by it. Then several questions will be important: Who has more efficient powers? Will A-Pewter fueled by Investiture heal as well as Stormlight (i.e. ability to heal damage to soul)? Can they affect Shardplate/Shardblade? How will direct Investiture fuel affect bendalloy bubbles? What happens to Investiture when Mistborn uses A-Duralumin? Is it all burned off at once? Will the pure Investiture allow them to mimic Atium? How far could they see with Electrum? Personally I think the answers would be Neither is much more efficient, Lashings are more efficient for mobility (Radiant applies them to themselves, improving it compared to affecting other metal sources), however Mistborn will have more powers running at once diminishing them. I think A-Pewter will heal well when fueled by raw Investiture, but not as well as e.g. compounded Gold or even Stormlight. Pewter healing seems to be extremely minor side-effect, more to help maintain function despite damage then actual healing (e.g. Vin still takes months to fully heal broken ribs and internal damage, despite burning pewter nearly non-stop). I don't think they would be able to affect either Shardplate or Shardblade, the power required is on order of Well of Ascension, which is beyond being 'just' fueled by pure Investiture. The bendalloy compression factor would be far greater most likely, allowing Mistborn to take 'breaks' in the middle of the fight to strategize, and rest up. I think trying to use Investiture as A-duralumin would probably burn of all of the Investiture? All powers are fueled now from the same source, and A-duralumin completly uses up given source, so that makes sense to me. Possibly with proper Intent they could only burn off portion they cognitively designated for the given metal. I don't think pure Investiture would allow for mimic of Atium (or other Godmetals), even when Elend was fueled directly by Preservation, only the Atium he actually held could be burned. If they could see further than 2-3 seconds, then Radiant has little chance of winning. Sounds like it would be quite a fight to me, and I might actually give a bit of an edge to the Mistborn. The pushed coins/objects should be fast enough to present danger to the Shardplate, so Windrunner would have to be quite careful and use Reverse Lashing generously for defense. Windrunner still has mobility advantage, close quarters offensive advantage, and could use Shardblade for defense (i.e. unbreakable shield). I think Reverse Lashings are the most efficient of the Lashings (please correct me if I am wrong), so Mistborn would run out of Investiture sooner if only attacking from distance (as the Reverse Lashing would be strong enough to draw coins off course), forcing close quarters. In close quarters, Electrum will be major advantage, if it would see further then 2-3 seconds. Radiant at least can sever limbs, which won't be easily noticeable on the Electrum as there would be no physical damage. Then if A-Pewter cannot heal spiritual damage, it would be easier. Honestly, yeah I think Mistborn has advantage here, mainly from Electrum and Bendalloy. Remove those two, and I would say Windrunner would edge them out again.

If in e.g. plane sure, but have you seen people skydiving? No limitation on movement there, and Lashings are that except faster. No Radiant ever complains about having more difficulty moving their body. And even if there was, from 4th Oath on they have Shardplate providing them 15-20x fold strength increase, so they should be ok movement wise for quite a while. Ah, smart point! Still does not make them as maneuverable as Windrunner (lacking in directionality, and the acceleration can be matched by Windrunner), though it does make them more efficient Investiture wise. Vin took several moments to do 50 feet vertical jump, while pushing continuously on coin (she does state that). Since by then she did not yet learn to flare or regulate her strength, we can take that to be the baseline burn strength of Steel. She had time to note how the line is getting thinner before reaching top (and few more thoughts), so conservatively we can take it took at minimum ~2 seconds. If her push was at 3g's for very early part (i.e. around first 0.2 seconds, after accounting for gravity), she would already attain speed of 6 m/s and would continue to accelerate from there until the push decayed enough. Even if the push afterwards only cancelled gravity, she would reach the top in ~2.5 seconds. So actually if push allows her to accelerate at 3 g's that is about as fast as your assumption for on-off push would be, and I mildly overestimated how strong the initial push would have to be Thought I now realize my mistake, Mistborn have to overcome gravitation, unlike Windrunners. So Vin would be launching at 4g's for regular push, which for vertical jump would result in ~3g's of acceleration. On Kelsier, 250 pounds of force is about ~1100 Newtons, which for an adult man is little under 1.5 g's, so actually less then what I stated. I would put the force Mistborn regularly exert for basic push at ~700 pounds of force. All together I think this is a strong case that push on a coin on regular burn cannot provide more than ~4g's of acceleration, most likely being somewhere around 3-3.5 g's. Flare then would push it up near 4.5-5 g's. This would be acceleration ceiling of regular Mistings and Mistborn, and would be lower in Era 2 (due to weakening of allomancy). So you are saying Windrunner can take 42 g's easily without any side effects, since those would be healed immediately? Shardplate is that tough. Multiple warform parhsendi wailing on it with hammers for minutes did not break through, and those are 2-3x as strong as human. The only more resistant materials known in Cosmere are Nightblood, Honorblades, Shardblades, and maybe Roseite fueled by purified Dor. Yes several hours. If Fused fight smart, they won't try to kill Radiants, only survive until Radiants run out of light. They would be sandbagging basically. And how do you put all humans there? Roshar is gigantic continent, and you have very little means of travel, or of locating villages. Well, clearly a lot, since Desolations only stopped when Taln decided that getting tortured for 4000 years is a good idea, and the last few were effectively back to back with barely a year of break. They could catch them off-guard, or simply make the situation more chaotic to increase chances some Fused will land a good hit. No one is arguing that strenght of Reverse Lashing is static, only that the stacking terminology does not apply as there is no equivalent of 'one Lashing'. The strength seems to vary per amount of Stormlight, and Intent. That assumes that primer cubes can be miniaturized, and that the mechanism would survive the quite violent acceleration of being fired from a gun. And why would it not be affected by Reverse Lashing targeting bullets? It is still a bullet (i.e. projectile expelled from firearm). Doubtful he could time it right, the speed bullet could attain from Reverse Lashing would be magnitude more than his reflexes could allow for. And even then, he would have no way to ensure the bullet is oriented properly, to be in direction of Windrunner. That would not do anything, the reaction requires Harmonium to be nearly melted from electricity, and polarized/pulled apart. Regularly they just repulse each other.

I think the issue is that you don't think about microprocessor, you think about phone, or computer, or TV, or toothbrush even. You don't think about dust too much, and when you do, you don't think about individual dust particles, but about dust in general as a concept. Just like you don't think about air as atoms and molecules, but as a gas within some container. I think exactly your spear argument shows that just because we are aware things are composed of other things, that does not mean those things will have representation in CR.

Now now, Kaladin does not have advantage of being focal point of millenia long plan orchestrated by a Shard, unlike the Mistborn in question Or having the luxury of being trained in his powers by someone else And also, his series arc is not yet over, so let us not get ahead of ourselves.

and yet the virgin Windrunner beats the Chad Mistborn Goes to show virgin power is real

'Stacking' is only for basic Lashings, neither Full Lashings nor Reverse Lashings are described in such terms. The two primary examples of Reverse Lashings are Pulling hundreds of arrows into a single shield from quite a wide area. Tearing a head off of a Fused. The first one is already stronger than a gravity, though exactly how much is difficult to estimate. However it also shows that if your intent is 'pull bullets' it would pull all bullets, so you could not trick them into reverse lashing primer bullet instead of the proper one. The second one has already been discussed in this thread, and the acceleration necessary is ~50 000 g's . The same would be felt by the bullet (if mass of object does not change the force felt) or the bullet would experience 100 g's (if the mass of object does affect it). Either way, Reverse Lashings are faar stronger than gravity, easily ten to hundred fold, possibly thousand fold. As a result, applying this for 0.1 seconds (time to travel ~20-30 meters) to the bullet would impart upon it speed between 100m/s and 50 000 m/s towards source of reverse lashing, more then enough to force the bullet to completely miss (the deviation of the bullet would be between 5 meters and 2.5 km ) TLDR: Non-aluminum bullets + reverse lashings = miss. And any mechanism that would allow Wax to push the bullet, would also allow Reverse Lashing to draw the bullet off course. That would be an interesting explanation. However, I am not sure if Kaladin would ever experience such accelerations to be familiar with it, though perhaps it is sufficient if he experienced something like it, even if in far weaker form. Explanation like this would allow Brandon to 'level-up' Windrunners/Skybreakers later on, if he so chose.

Ah well, then those are not regular equipment of most soldiers however Sniper rifles typically don't fire more bullets in quick succession, making them poor choice against Shardplate. Plus you must typically set them up, limiting directions in which you can shoot. And machine guns lack in accuracy (thought not much compared to assault rifle), mobility, and directionality of shots (if you set up your machine gun in one direction, and the Radiant quickly reposition , you are in trouble). Plus they are operated by multiple people.

It is also possible that 'regular' usage of F-steel is not as powerful. Our only example is Bleeder, and she could have been burning through literal years of stored speed in a few days for all we know. So if the ceiling on how much speed you can be storing at once (e.g. you cannot store more then ~20% of speed), then superhuman feats would be far more difficult to achive, and not necessarily cost effective. After all, Set are primarily secretive organization, they don't need direct combat abilities. Remember that there is a compression loss when drawing out larger amounts of attribute, reducing how effective Feruchemy is at obtaining 'superhuman' attributes.

Only that reading, no release happened yet. However it suggests that they will continue to be used into Era 4, which if they were already outdated by Era 3 would be odd. They could have been changed somehow though, as you suggest. Possibly by a bondsmith somehow transforming the nature of Nahel Bond, after all Ishar was the one who formed Knights Radiants as we know them, having such effect on early Surgebinders that Heralds refered to them as 'Ishar's Knights' . Point range of M16A1 is only ~550 meters, however that is not due to bullet velocity and mass but mainly due to the long barrel for aiming. The larger revolvers firing at ~600 m/s have the same range for bullets (or indeed greater thanks to larger mass of bullets), however you could not hit anything at 500 meters with the revolver. In conjuction with the other WoB (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/100/#e3561) I interpret it that also the 2-3 bullets is with Steelpushing (+ change in mass from F-Iron). The one bullet statement is literally when everything goes right for Wax (right shot, right bullet, right time) and even then it is not said he could do it, only that there is an argument for it. So between the two, most bullets would not be able to break a section in 2-3 hits, probably requiring far more. I think dozens of shots would be required even from M16, and they would have to hit a single section, which is relatively small target, and that target moves quite fast (~40-50 mph easily). Well increasing the calibar would require to literally rebuild all the assault rifles If we allow for that, we might as well allow the Cosmere side to prepare countermeasures as well (e.g. personal repulsor fabrials). Oh yeah, that would probably shred Radiant in plate, provided it would land one After all it is weapon designed to shoot targets that are ~meters across, not human sized.

Windrunners are stated to be able to go to other planets in Roshar system, so they must be able to travel at escape velocity, i.e. around ~10 km per second. Mach 5 would be trivial by comparison. Though these speeds probably require either Shardplate, or pressure manipulation, or both. Well, another WoB states Shardplate would resist bullets fairly well, and SOTD2 spoilers Also, modern assault rifles (i.e. M16A1) while firing at ~900 m/s, also shoot far lighter bullets (3.5-4 grams). Comparatively Vindication is probably something like .500 Smith&Wesson, thought probably shooting only at ~200-300 m/s (as revolvers did in early 20th century), but the bullets are ~15-20 grams in weight. So actually the momentum of bullets is about the same in both cases (and actually possibly higher for the revolver), while the kinetic energy of the bullet is only 2.5-4x greater in the assault rifle (depending on the exact numbers). And since armor getting hit by a bullet is inelastic collision, the more relevant parameter is the momentum, not kinetic energy (as some will be consumed by the deformation of the bullet). TLDR: Modern assault rifles are not that much more powerful than Vindication, with at most 4x the kinetic energy per bullet. And since the collision is inelastic, a lot of that energy will be consumed by the deformation of the bullet. Momenta of the bullets are actually comparable in the two cases.

Yeah, that is up to interpretation. Originally, I also thought that 2-3 did not require Steelpushing, however in light of the other WoB I don't think that makes sense, since Vindication bullets are not that much more powerful. However, it is up to interpretation. I brought up Roseite because it is the only other example of 'powered armor' fueled by Investiture. Purified Dor is possibly more concentrated the Stormlight (one being liquid, the other gas), but on the other hand Roseite seems to be more fragile in its natural state, so would have to be strenghted more and heal more than Shardplate would. The major problem with g-forces is that they cause damage to the body, something which Stormlight will heal immediately, hence g-forces not being much of a problem for Windrunner. Mistborn definitely cannot turn and maneuver better than Windrunner. Mistborn are limited in both direction and strength of force they can use to maneuver, while Windrunners are not. There is no scenario where Mistborn has better maneuverability, Windrunners simply have far better ability, they can accelerate/decelerate as much as they wish, in any direction they which, which Mistborn simply cannot do. I some previous thread (possibly Mistborn vs Windrunner?) I have done some quick comparison using Vin as example, typical push on a coin (since most Mistborn cannot carefully change strength of push outside of flaring) over 50 feet can be replicated by ~2.5 lashings for first quarter of trajectory and then dismissing it, trivial accomplishment for Windrunner. (as a sidenote, this then also shows that the initial strength of the push on the coin is probably less then ~3 g, since Vin continued to push on the coin the entire time). Also, SA5 spoilers On the topic of technique, all Windrunners we have seen are literal pioneers, and have their powers for less then ~2 years and are mostly self-taught (or taught by someone who was self-taught). Conversely everyone with Steel/Iron was taught by people with more experience/taught skills. Or in case of Wax have over 20 years of experience. And even then, they can achieve better precision and greater speeds then Mistborn. Except that Wax's body could not take 15 g*s, still being damaged by the forces acting upon it. Him being lighter won't help at all (outside of having easier time moving his arms around, though we have never seen Windrunner having this particular issue). Not to mention that considering the estimated strength of steelpush from coin, Wax has no way to generate 15 g's outside of using Duralumin. EDIT: And Kaladin in the arena fight applied 'many' Lashings to himself, enough to crack Shardplate, despite falling only short distance (short enough that he thought no one could notice what he did) While we don't have precise numbers, the force of impact must have been greater than Shardplate simply falling, so he had to have lashed himself at least ~10-12 times, and possibly much more, to generate sufficient force over such short distance. (it is frustrating not having exact numbers to work off ). And honestly, if literal gravity manipulation still leads to g-forces (despite that simply being impossible due to nature of the forces), then simple mass manipulation should not be able to avoid it either. The key part there is if they had enough Light. Sure, 3rd Oath Windrunner with full bag of spheres can fly non-stop for ~12 hours as hard as they can lash themselves, but in a fight Stormlight would be used more (for healing the Radiant and/or the plate, applying the powers etc.). So all of them would probably run out after several hours, rendering them effectively powerless. Also, if the Fused used their powers smartly (currently they are probably much more Insane than they were in Desolations, as now they have been CS for 4000 years more, deteriorating them further) they should gang up on Radiants (along with using Regals to help) to immobilize then and get in strikes to break plate. Frankly I think thousand Thunderclasts backed by ~100 Fused would be a problem for ~90 Radiants, even if they are 4th Oath. Some Fused could use their Surges, or being more careful in how they fight. Or simply asking Thunderclast to catch the Radiant and (depending on the brand of Fused) help them to immobilize the Radiant. Not to mention that Fused/Singers don't fight to kill Radiants necessarily, but to destroy human civilization outside of Shinovar (and by later desolation possibly there as well). Their goal is to kill and destroy population centers, knowledge centers etc. This makes it a fight that raw strength won't win if you also don't have numbers. And finally, Fused and Thunderclasts can get reborn over and over, whereas every lost 4th oath Radiant is lost for good, and new one has to be trained to replace them. So in a prolonged fight, Fused + Thunderclasts would win pretty much every time if human and Singer populations are the same.

Thank you for the numbering! That helps quite a bit We have two WoBs on Shardplate and bullets. One (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/100/#e3561) says that Shardplate would resist bullets fairly well (which combined with resistance of Roseite powered by pure Investiture suggests that "fairly well" is possibly understatement), the other () saying that Wax with Vindication and appropriate bullet could break section in 2-3 hits (or possibly even 1 if everything goes right for him). Combining this information I think we can consider that aluminum bullets sufficiently negate Wax primary advantage (pushing on bullet while tapping weight), so that he is unable to effectively break sections. I know Windrunners feel g-forces, even though they reaaally should not, however Mistborn/Mistings should definately experience them (their powers generate regular forces). Mistborn Wax has extremely weak A-pewter, and Radiant holds Stormlight that should also help them withstand g-forces. So I'd argue on that they would be on-par (with Radiant actually able to heal from damage caused by g-forces, something Mistborn would not be able to do). Also the short-bursts nature is worse, because while shorter, the g-force has to be much larger to achieve comparable speeds, and even short g-force can cause damage if they are great enough. And Windrunner could copy that effect anyway by appropriately stacking Lashings. Finally, Wax never mentioned g-forces being issue, while Windrunners did, so we can reasonably conclude that acceleration of Coinshot is lower to that Windrunners can easily achieve. So really, anything Mistborn can do regarding movement with Steel/Iron, Windrunner can do too and they can also do more than that + heal damage they would cause themselves. Hence my opinion that Lashings are strictly superior for mobility. Well if we allow one free hit than lashed rock (or few) reliably kills Wax, so yeah I agree that those are not fair tactics. In ambush the side with the first move has advantage, thought I don't think here the advantage is sufficient to allow victory in most cases. We know that strength of Lerasium Mistborn depends on amount of Lerasium, and Wax got effectively dust particles. Wayne was stronger Mistborn than Wax, and even he would have been far weaker then Elend (or even Vin most likely). And the effects Wax exhibited were barely perceptible, suggesting he is weaker in all other metals than Mistings would be. I agree that they are useful to mention in the more broader context. Not sure about that. If you cannot hit the same section repeatedly and reliably, even dead plate could heal some damage from bullets, increasing the amount of time necessary to break through. I think Heralds were fighting because of ~3 main things: As you mention, Bondsmiths were more limited prior to Honor's death. Also there were only at most 4 at once (and often less than that, e.g. at Recreance there was a single Bondsmith), so they could not provide light on more than 4 battlefields at once. Current Roshar is faar more advanced than humanity was at time of Desolations. From what Taln is saying they had to be taught to cast bronze, i.e. the civilizations after desolation was typically Stone age level. Radiants won't help that much if your other soldiers can be equipped with at most bronze weapons, possibly only stone ones, and have little in ways of armor. (plus no long range communication since span-reeds are not a thing yet). Heralds were provided Stormlight directly from Honor, so they would not be restricted same way as Radiants would be. As a result, they could do stuff like e.g. Jasnah did at battle of Theylen field whenever they wanted (and more of course, since they were more skilled). On the other hand even with the amount of Stormlight they had, they could not heal as well as even lowly 2nd Oath Radiant. So while Heralds were offensively far beyond any Radiant, they were 'squishier' to some extent.

I saw this your post on reddit! I knew this was familiar post title. Just a few quick thoughts from my end (don't have time for more right now): I do think that there will be some obstacle even to using pure investiture to power spikes, as completely sidestepping fundamental limitation of Hemalurgy seems wrong. The best part of the magic systems are limitations, and doing away with them would take away from what makes Cosmere so interesting compared to other fantasy (IMHO) Hemalurgy always damages the soul, so I expect this would hold even for non-lethal one. At best you are creating something similar to Drabs (permanently weakens immune system, more susceptible to depression, worse perception, shorter lifespan), at worst it is even worse. Also note that Drabs apparently cannot Return, suggesting that person weakened in this way could lack something fundamental for creation of Cognitive Shadows. And the recipient would also end up with damaged and mangled soul, repulsing e.g. spren (and possibly other spren-like beings) and possibly having other Cognitive and Spiritual effects.

Provided the effect is linear I would agree (and honestly that is the most natural assumption). However it feels to me that the little tidbits we see in TLM suggest stronger effect than that, so I lean towards there being some sort of minimal threshold for strength. I mean, by Era 2 allomancy is as diluted and weak as it will get, and even then Wayne can get trivially get 15x fold compression (at minimum), so Lerasium Mistborn would probably get at the very elast ~30-40x compression at minimum. From that perspective 3x compression for 'dust-Mistborn' ('dustBorn' if you will) like Wax is not impossible. However, ultimately we have no evidence for this, so I'd suggest we agree to disagree. Either way, I don't think it would provide Wax edge against 4th Ideal Windrunner.

I don't think I agree with that. If we consider Wax who knows about his nature as Mistborn, then he could use bendalloy bubble for reloading, if his compression factor is at least ~3x. But it would definitely introduce a complication for him.

They would, but they would also not be pushable by Wax. And Wax taking advantage of Vindication + his abilities is what would allow him to break Shardplate in 2-3 hits. So using only aluminum bullet would pretty much guarantee he cannot get through Shardplate. On the other hand, non-aluminum bullets can be drawn off target by Reverse Lashing, again decreasing his reliability. Sidenote: Since Roshar is much more high-Investiture world then Scadrial, I would expect that continuous steelpush would not really interfere with Reverse Lashing much if at all. I mean, two Allomancers can easily push on the same coin/metalsource with no drawbacks being ever mentioned. If coin being pushed on made it resist other Invested arts it would not be possible for Mistborn to defend against Coinshots/Mistborn shooting coins. As the example of Pursuer proves, Reverse Lashing can affect parts of living beings, and affecting living creatures is much more difficult then affect non-living ones. Additionally, it can also affect only part of an object which is again much more difficult then affecting the whole. And finally, Puruser was Cognitive Shadow, so Invested beyond any living Allomancer, and so more Invested than any amount of investiture the bullet would have (or the Connection would provide). All together this should be enough to show that Reverse Lashings should easily effect even bullets which are being Pushed on. Generally Steel/Iron combo is inferior to Lashings in every way, and I don't think F-Iron would be enough to bridge the gap. It could make him faster, but only up to a point where Wax would start to pass out from g-forces (which should be more pronounced for him then for Windrunner). So I don't think he could actually stay out of Shardblade range for long (or at all really). Shardplate would shield against that, so that strategy relies on Kaladin to leave a weakness open to exploit. With a lot of training as you say it could help. But if being a weak Mistborn means Wax would not get the usual 2-3 seconds of future-shadows, but only <1 second, it would not help much. Additional problem is that shardblade would not leave any physical wound to be easily seen in the Electrum shadow, delaying the time it would become noticeable (especially if it would not be killing blow, but only severing an arm for example). Both living and deadplate can heal, living one possibly more efficiently (as usual). And yep, 4th ideal Radiants are very hard to kill, as long as they have enough Stormlight, though Living Plate mitigates even that a bit (being hard to damage, and not requiring light to operate).

Fun fact, after RoW there were estimates, the force that reverse lashing generated was ~5kN So that same force applied to bullet weighting 10 grams would generate something like 500 000 m/s^2 of acceleration (from a = F/m) That is easily enough to curve bullet path, in 0.01 second (time for speed of sound bullet to cross 3.4 meters) it would add additional 5000 m/s of speed towards RL, more then enough to drag it away from intended target. Alternatively, if the force of Reverse Lashing is proportional to mass of target, then the acceleration that head-tearing RL generated was 'just' around ~1000 m/s^2 . Which is still more then enough to curve the bullet path, this time generating additional speed of 10 m/s in 0.01 seconds, changing the trajectory of bullet by 5 cm, nearly enough to turn perfect head shot into a miss. And this assumes very fast bullet for the Era, and very close quarters. At these speeds though we should really start considering air resistance.

Lashings are more general (don't have to affect metal, completely bypassing one defensive option of Mistborn), are stronger at greater distances (greater speed), comparable at medium distances (i.e. ~20 meters) and weaker at small distances (unless Lashed a lot). The downside is that they are only 'local', unlike option to push/pull distant objects for Mistborn. On the other hand, reverse lashing can be used to bring needed objects close to partially help there. So lashings are more versatile, comparably powerful (sometimes more, sometimes less) and the only weaker part is that they are local and not ranged. I would call that comparable. Not sure what is meant by this. 1. Is relevant because overwhelming majority of Mistborn won't be savants in any metal. Especially if 20 years of regular combat use is insufficient for savanthood. So treating an extreme edge case as a regular one is a kind of a fallacy. 3. We know that shaping a bubble is possible, but there is a considerable difference between shaping a bubble to some static shape (what Wayne did in TLM, and what WoB says) and continuously shaping the bubble to allow movement and remain 'skin-tight'. Even if the bubble moved with the savant, the shape of the bubble would have to adjust for the movement, something which as far as we know is not possible. 3. If anything partially in the bubble is fully in the bubble, then interacting with that objects means that savant has no speed advantage thanks to bubble and are just a regular person/Mistborn. We have seen no interaction with objects outside of the bubble from someone who was inside (as far as I know, please correct me if need be).

We know some interactions are FTL (i.e. spanreeds), and Oathgates and Aon Tia do seem to be instantaneous. Even if they were 'just' lightspeed, they are still far faster than any allomancer/feruchemist/twinborn. And the disappearance does seem to be immediate (i.e. when Jasnah goes to CR), at least as far as human perception goes. Though personally I think using teleportation in i.e. dash competition is..questionable...and goes against spirit of the sport. In other sports it could be valid method.

Open duel is closer to battlefield than sneaking around and sliting throats (the other situation put forth in WoB). In open duel Windrunner has the most advantages still (better maneuverability , better defense, better melee offense, comparable ranged offense (different strengths though). And three things on bendalloy savantism Wayne was not savant, despite using it for over 20 years, 6 of those with being possibly one of the richest people on the planet and being able to afford as much metal as he needed. Savantism also has severe negative side-effects, it is not just straight up upgrade. We don't know if shaping the bubble to such extent is possible even with savantism, so using it as argument is facetious. And unlike steel-compounding, you could not affect things outside of the bubble, severely restricting the usefulness. (as the bubble forms barrier between you and your surroundings, and objects are either fully in or fully out. So if you are inside bubble, then anything outside cannot be affected by you). And since this thread is about Wax, who is most certainly not a bendalloy savant, this line of reasoning is not particularly fruitful.