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Looks like most people see, "Spren, stone, and wind" = Sibling, Nightwatcher, and Stormfather (Rider of storms). Am I the only one that sees, "Spren, stone, and wind" = Nightwatcher, Sibling, and Stormfather? The Sibling is associated with Urithiru. It makes more sense to me that Sibling = stone of Urithiru. Nightwatcher is repeatedly referred to as a powerful spren in the books, so Nightwatcher = spren works.

The questioner is obviously using the two interchangeably, and BS is following the questioner's train of thought. Listening to the audio makes this apparent.

I know this answer is upvoted because it's correct about T.H.=Ashyn, but there were humans on Roshar before even the shattering. There's audio on Arcanum.

Just to add to the big things happening at the end of era 3: It's from several years ago, but considering he likely only has an outline for era 3 it seems like a pretty big plot-point-moment. Also, he didn't have to think very long (there's audio), I'm fairly convinced Harmony will be giving up or granting something as a major turning point in era 3. On the other hand, it could just as easily be something nebulous like: humans desire non-intervention-->Harmony: Your future is yours now. So I don't know, but I'm excited. Thinking about era 3 and 4 tends to draw anticipationspren.

Okay... Marabethia looks like a bridge over the purelake and reshi sea, now if anyone can actually find 'the bridge to terabithia' we might be able to find an offramp to Roshar. Anyone seen the 'Alien' movies? Sigourney Weaver? All of the mountains in former Natanatan down to and including the shattered plains make up the head of said Aliens. With the shattered plains making up the teeth. Alethkar and Shinovar actually make all their money by hoarding the world's water supply. You see, the map clearly shows that they own ALL of the rivers on Roshar. I quite nearly drove myself insane over this stuff more than two years ago, and of course here I am about to get sucked back in...

Enough listeners in stormform could control a highstorm?!? I'm calling it, that's Eshonai. (I'm aware many think it's Kaladin at some point) edit: can't spell

Love the midriff analogy feather, spot on to me. Liking Adolin Elhokar seems...un-knight-worthy to me right now, kind of confused about his whole character at this point (a la gamma's observations and his 'most likely having a spren watching him'). But did anyone notice that's most likely a larkin on his desk? Maybe even the dead ones stil have a use, or they're like locust or something else and come back to life with some stormlight. Obviously tied to the radiants, and personally I think they have a use besides helping Darkness steal awesomeness. And a big echo to all questions and awe put forth before; never imagined getting this much cosmere-spren-shadesmar info so quickly.

I meant to respond earlier today, but I'm sick as all get out right now and completely passed out. I don't know where to start so I'll just jump in. I really don't feel good so I'm not going to quote and link things, if you have questions or doubts just ask and I'll post it up later for you. @Senor It's certainly possible in light of one or two rattles, but there are several more that are happening concurrent to the storyline. One of them even talks to Taravangian's healer. My personal thought is that they go to the cognitive realm, there is a rattle to support this, where they gain all this knowledge of what has been done and what needs to be done, and what is happening with important people. I guess I never really thought about it being time travel before, it just seems so unlikely because the majority of them are just knowledge or a different sort of awareness report. I see maybe two that could be traveling to the past? With so many more reporting on the here and now, time traveling just doesn't seem likely. @meg You're a little a confused. I should have elaborated on what I was saying. The dates in the epigraphs are in-book notations taken by Taravangian's healers. They aren't a depiction of when that chapter is happening. So yes, Gavilar died years earlier, but it doens't mean the epigraphs are noting that chapter as that date. There is a special circumstance that I don't really see anything special with, but one of the rattles is out of order (in the link from earlier you can see). That just couldn't be, if the epigraphs were relating the current date of the story. My thing with Taln, is even he proclaims he failed. We have no idea what this really means, but to me it screams that things are NOT happening like they have before. Seems very reasonable to me that things could be a little out of order, that he could be a little late to the party. Or that Odium has kind of snuck this one up on everyone. @dark No worries, I know it's a lot. Yeah, Senor raised an issue that...I don't know, I've never really thought about it like that. I definitely don't see as reasonable, but perhaps possible. I'll look at it later when I'm on less medication. Seems to be a much easier, with all the concurrent visions, not to split it up and start assuming wild things like that. I don't know how Dalinar's visions, or any visions Honor might have seen, have anything to do with the death rattles. It happens as they die, doesn't require a highstorm, and seems they still retain a measure of awareness of where they are and that they're speaking to someone. I'm curious where you think the back-up for something like that is. I already wrote my thoughts on Taln's appearance. The way he has shown up, the death rattle, and the things he said make it clear to me things are very different. Back to bed. edit: spelling

Doh. I totally knew that. Can't believe I forgot.

You probably missed it, but some old threads are still very useful. They just haven't been posted on in a while. We have the opening epigraph: Which takes place on day 271 of 1171, or 6-5-1 (link at bottom explains this use). Since Roshar has a calendar year of 500 days, we know that all the epigraphs after (and including): take place at least a 1000 days after the initial epigraph. It's like I said, I used to think the storms were counting down or something, but since it most likely already came to pass that doesn't make much sense anymore. I guess it's not a definite, confirmed sort of thing. But it seems conclusive to most that it all started sometime during the book. Which would make sense since Taln shows up. And later epigraphs like... and ...seem to relate to occurances that we either witnessed, or saw the outcome to. While the second one doesn't have to be Taln, the first is almost certainly Kaladin's experience. My personal thoughts on it now are that the Everstorm (hint hint)/Final Desolation has come and the storm is just beginning to churn. They say they're getting worse because it has all just begun. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/457-dates/page__view__findpost__p__10265 (1st one I found, probably another somewhere) and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlvnJhrTVOeKdHhQMWVIajZLMXIwZnR4R1ZJNDFsY2c edit: forgot to add some things, and fix other things.

I remember discussions about this years ago. It's a very good point. However... Dalinar and Navani are discussing some serious stuff about the world going downhill, i.e. assassinations, the 'twisted' things people say when they die. It seems they both have heard of highstorms actually growing more powerful. Which...is definitely odd given that ketek. I used to think that perhaps they were growing stronger as the desolation approaches, , but going by the best assumptions of the calendar, the Everstorm had already begun when the conversation happened. So yeah, sorry to confuse it more. But it's definitely a contradictory situation. edit: couldn't remember how to do spoiler tag.

Excellent catch happy. I KNOW for a fact I have read a quote from sanderson along the lines of, "...humans and horses are not native to [Roshar]..." but now it seems to have gone *poof*. Zas, or WInd, help me out here. Why can't I find this quote? I know we have seen it before.

No, it certainly seems they can't. The link I provided already has WoB on the creatures inside the front cover. Try actually taking a look when someone provides you with a link to a direct answer on the questions you are having. He didn't comment on larkin, that's us here. He commented on the creatures inside the front cover.

The two 'dragonwasps' behind the glyphs on the front cover aren't metamorphosed greatshells, they're actually pretty darn small. About the size of a hand up to a large melon. More importantly, the little guys behind the glyphs were from Aimia and are extremely rare since the scouring. Not sure if that's what the Larkin are, but the description is pretty accurate. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/2383-qa-with-brandon-sanderson/page-4?hl=%2Bscouring+%2Baimia#entry42116 #70

Well the Heralds had to leave their Blades in order to break the Oathpact. At least, that's what was strongly suggested in the prelude. There was probably far longer of a time period between the last desolation and the Recreance. Ragged tanned skins and bronze weapons in the prelude. Bronze armor and steel weapons at the Recreance, which Dalinar thought appeared hasty and just thrown together, so that stuff had probably been around a while anyways. Recreance has been investigated to death. It's hard to know at this point, but seems to me like (and most people don't share this opinion) Honor died and the Radiants just went downhill from there. Eventually screwing up their interpretation of Honor and resigning. (Similar to Derethil's story from Hoid) Urithiru was abandoned long before the Radiants fell. And apparently they were growing corrupt before Urithiru was abandoned. I think the Radiants lost hope at some point and came to conclusion they were misinterpreting the Honor that gave them their power. (Derethil) I made a thread about all this a while ago that goes into some depth, but it's mainly on Honor being dead before the Reacreance. Just nearly impossible to know at this point what happened to the Radiants of old. edit: forgot something

A long while ago, Peter confirmed that it was Dalinar but the cape was accidentally (I assume) done in the wrong color. Over here...http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/1178-book-cover/?view=findpost&p=26984&hl=%2Bcover+%2Bdalinar+%2Bcape

Well I never said anything about tin. But we know TLR is a savant (or near-savant) in almost every metal. Off the top of my head? Feruchemy tin has nasty side effects like queasiness and only one attribute at a time. Not sure what that has to do with anything though. I'm confused about the whole using zinc to enhance his senses, did you mean nicrosil? It's possible he became a feruchemy savant in several metals because of the way he used nicrosil, but we don't really know a whole lot about that except for it being hinted strongly that Miles is a Health/Gold Savant. But I was talking about the allomantic side of things only. TLR likely came to his savanthood differently than Spook. And doesn't show many side effects like Spook developed.

Hmmm...another thing that probably isn't major, but in answer to certain yados wondering about investitures happening differently; TLR seems to have gained savanthood in a different way than Spook, and seems to not have the same repercusions. His happened over a thousand years of regular use instead of violent flaring over a short time. Maybe he had smaller troughs ripped through him. Or maybe his Feruchemy allowed him to keep the troughs small enough to not be so detrimental. Either way, I would say TLR's savanthood happened differently and resulted in lesser detriment.

Love you. That was the first thing I saw and wondered if anyone else that impression. I don't know if it means anything either. But I'll take it. Seems sanderson told him he needed something else there, or gave him a general idea what needed to go there instead. At least, that's the way I'm thinking about it right now. I don't know about the cape. It could match the third front cover order, or even the tenth back cover order. The way the legs curl matches perfectly with the background of Ishi's picture, first time I've seen that, but then there would have to be a connection between front and back cover. Haven't had much time to look at it, just first impressions.

We actually had WoB that horses are indeed not native to Roshar.

Tag. But you have to tag them long enough to transfer Breaths.

Apparently it just isn't possible to make money off of authors any more. At least, that's the way it would seem if you take a look at what certain publishing companies are doing. And you'll be surprised who this one focuses on. Re-blog from this site, http://savvybookwriters.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/author-beware-of-scams/ at the behest of the writer. Several very good stories there for new authors. ------- Author Beware of Scams !!! 10Mar . . The reason I started http://savvybookwriters.wordpress.com initially, was to warn authors of traps they can fall in, after a friend of mine has been deceived by a so-called vanity publisher. Well, she was very naive and did not seek the help of a lawyer, specialized in contract law, nor the advice of her well-meaning author friends or her writer’s group. After having her manuscript sent out to several dozens of publishers and receiving only rejections, she was so eager to get published, that she did not want to hear any warnings and signed her rights away for 70 years after her death! Not only this, she also paid more than $6.000 to have her print book published. Until now (3 years past the initial launch) the vanity “publisher” failed to format it into an e-book, despite his many promises. . Vanity Publishing For those who do not know what a “vanity publisher” is: These companies take on almost every book authors pitch to them, without concerns if the book is marketable, they charge authors outrageous amounts for editing, book cover and printing or e-book formatting. Many of these companies are printers who get their machines running this way. Others are just agents for author services, who receive healthy commissions from their sub contractors. “Vanity publishers” don’t make money selling a book, they only make money producing it! Now it seems that reputable, traditional publishers step into the foot prints of these “vanity publishers” and go into the business of deceiving authors. Many jumped on the bandwagon of the success of e-books and created imprints for digital books, such as “Hydra”, “Flirt” or “Alibi”an imprint of Random House, or “Blackfriars” an imprint of Little&Brown in the UK. . They ask writers for a life-of-copyright contract that includes both, primary and subsidiary rights! (See the story of my friend above). No advance. Only the NET proceeds (means, after all costs of the “vanity publisher” is deducted) will be split between both sides. Deductions for e-books include, among others: the overhead and administrative costs of the “publisher”, costs for editing, cover art, formatting plus a publicity fee of 10% etc. – so the author pays for all these in the end. . Publishing – but not under these conditions! And if there is a print version, printing and binding costs,” plus 6% of GROSS sales revenue (NOT the NET sales!) to cover freight and warehousing costs. One has to do the math, calculate all this and realize that it makes absolutely no sense to sign up such an unfavorable contract. There is only one who makes money with the authors work: The “vanity publisher”. Yes, the authors don’t have to pay upfront costs, on the other hand they don’t know what they will earn per book, while the publisher is assured that their expenses will be paid for as soon as the book sells. . See what John Scalzi wrote in an open letter to Random House on his blog: “Dear Random House: It’s clear you’re targeting new, un-agented authors here because no agent who is not manifestly incompetent would allow his or her client to sign such a terrible contract. But here’s the thing: New authors don’t actually need you to sell their work online. They can do it themselves — and are, and some of them are doing quite well at it. You are working under the assumption that these newer authors are so eager to be with a “real” publisher that they will suddenly forget that publishers are no longer a bottleneck to being published, or that you are offering nothing they can’t do themselves (or have done for them) and offering them nothing for the service — indeed your business model appears predicated on sucking as much as possible from them in fees and charges while offering as little as possible in way of compensation. Hydra is a vanity publisher, in sum. Do you genuinely believe these new authors are that stupid? And if so, do you genuinely want an entire imprint of your publishing empire populated by such people?”

While it may not be what BS meant about the cover, still an awesome find! I've used your find over http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/1640-isasik-shulin/ to add to the collection. If you have any thoughts about that symbol surrounding Kharbranth in the picture or any other cool finds, please feel free to add and speculate. I've been driven crazy over those symbols and have been trying to get people to add to them for years.

Double post for new info: Thanks to Khmauv, there is another symbol connection found. Which is also the symbol surrounding the map of Kharbranth (in case you forgot). If anyone has any idea how they could relate, feel free to speculate. Aaaaannnnd I'm sick of trying to turn some pics I've edited and cropped into url's, so... The creature on the back of the red cape on the cover art also seems to resemble the counterpart Order symbol that can be found inside the front cover. But it's quite a bit more of a stretch. Still looks similar to me.

First, thank you so much for laying that out plainly Cheese, I hereby name you official, 'I say I say,' official transistor for completely dumbfounded and confused sharders. (Meh, wanted to get in on the mala fun, but I suck at humor. ) I actually used to lean pretty heavily on this ideal, that something was different/had been changed and Kaladin was going to defy everything and keep his darkeyes. But that was shortly after finishing it and I've since began to think that... ...It might have to do with the level of oaths a KR has spoken. I think I put some ideas about that in a theory I wrote a long time ago. But it could also have to do with something like long enough time periods of holding stormlight, like a poisoning of stormlight over time. Aren't blue eyed Windrunners the only ones we see with unnaturally blue/almost white and glowing, leaking stormlight? I'm going to have to check that. Basically for me, I've passed for the time being on Shardblades being responsible for making the eyes lighter, there might be some weird combo with Plate that will make it happen, but I think other things might play a bigger role in it. Actually, Szeth's Blade is pretty much the only thing that keeps me thinking about it, and we already know his Blade is an anomaly, very different from the other Blades we've seen.