|TJ|

Okay so I went through the D1 again, and from Illwei's interactions, pretty sure Waffles is village, and I cannot see Matrim e/e with her. There's just too many genuinely seeming interactions with them. So I'm excluding Archer, Dannex, Waffles, Matrim, Steel (because of the vote) and Ash (reading him a village). And her reaction to my TUO vote very much feels like a escape from 'an elim would not defend her teammate that way' when in fact I feel that's what she did. To Archer, your summary of the last cycle makes sense, and I'll be willing to go for Drake from it if no one wants to go for TUO. And to your (and Mat's) suspicions against me: I'd argue that this way too strong of an attack against a teammate in D1. And to me gravitating towards a village read on Illwei, I catch up on posts you guys fill up on sleep of when I read stuff together at once, I get a progression of reads of players. You can see that I went from Illwei as elim to possible village in a single large post, so you know it wasn't distancing and then clearing or.. it wouldn't be a good one if I did it in a single post. Why are you suspicious of Araris? I'm actually suspicious of him. That's because he mentioned wanting to vote on me when I had 2 votes, but he actually voted on me after Illwei moved off me. Which makes sense for an elim because they'd not be concentrating votes on me, and it doesn't make sense for village!Araris because a. it's unlike him to vote on someone not likely to be removed and b. it's also unlike him to not vote on someone by giving the reason that 'he has 2 votes on him', as he always aims to vote to kill. Huh, as I'm thinking about this, Araris seems more suspicious than Drake. I'll just.. let other people cent in on this while I go check for Drake - Araris interactions.

Inchresting... to say the least You see, I began with the read that Mat and Illwei could be e/e (Mat faking the reaction to Illwei's copypasta) and then their interactions seemed not e/e, and I began reading Mat the more elimy-er of the two, and the village read on Waffles made me read Illwei was village cause I read Waffles the same way for the same reason and no one else mentioned that. So, now I'm here wanting to reread Illwei-Mat interactions to get a clearer idea of him, but it's nearly 2am and you caught me on my last read-through before falling asleep

Right right, I forgot only I'm mostly sure of your alignment, not the other way around xD And you know how you can be confident that I'm village? By talking! :P.

Hey hey whatchu mean? Ofc I need a PM, reading you correctly is only the beginning. How else are we going to move along to scheming? smh And now that you said you'll stop ignoring me, mayhaps Mr. Postman would be happy to accommodate? :P.

Hehehe all Kas wanted was a quiet game and now he has the role with the most responsibility, and if that's not enough, he has to deal with the paranoia of any IKYK situations related to Frog-Zelda-Link xD

I had the thread opened to catch up, but then had to deal with some work urgently so I did not actually read his claim. Work's done now and I've just finished catching up. I can blue this out if I'm allowed to. @Kasimir, you're revealing how many players ended up requesting for the Frog?

Oh boy, I've got 5 pages to catch up. Here I come, multi-quotes- I knowwww, that's why I didn't say anything. Because I wasn't sure what you were doing :P. Can't say the same smh. Granted I previously checked the Shard before dinner, and then I watched Euros and then fell asleep :P. I'm slightly suspicious of Mat and the way I read this interaction was e/e, as in he knew it was a copypasta and faked the whole 'this feels different than you' and well it's kinda obvious that you sounded different? There wasn't a need to have an 'investment in solving' you. Idk this reasoning seems iffy. The reason I'm slightly suspicious on Mat is his reads are almost entirely opposite of mine :P. Okay coming further along, I don't think Mat/Illwei are e/e, more more likely to be e-er of the two. Oh hey, new gif! Strong village vibes from Ashbringer, and increase in village-ness from Illwei, mainly because I mostly agree with the reads. - Highly disagree on Mat (Drake also gave the same reason what's up with that? Am I the only one who felt Illwei was so obviously fake in the copypasta?) - Agree on Archer - I've got null on Pyro and idk why he has accumulated many votes - Agree on Tani (though not for reasons mentioned, it's mainly for the tone of her posts, so gut). Null on Alv and Azmine. - Disagree on TUO. On Araris, I'm not sure, Haven't seen such a strong 'strong village' reaction from Araris in D1, oscillating from slight village to slight elim. Null on Kas. SMH, how am I supposed to read Kas without PMs? ;-; - Your read on Waffles is what makes me wants to village read you. I felt the exact same way about them, and I feel like that's a thing a good villager picks up on. - Agree on Steel. Also agree with Archer when he said 'cooling down suspicion when pressured, but in an elim-y way' about Steel. Village reads - Archer, Ashbringer, Waffles, Drake, Illwei, Tani, (Araris) Elim reads - TUO, Mat, Steel, (Araris) Pyro is null for me rn, and Steel, I'm willing to let him change my mind. I'll be on board for TUO or Mat elimination.

Okay so Kas replied, but here's why I didn't mention it. The important distinction is that he didn't claim to be a vanilla. My problem is mainly, not claiming to go for the Durian, but doing so after claiming vanilla. I deliberately didn't bring attention to the fact because I thought...well...you know.. I figured he might have some important role if he announced he was going for it :P.

That wasn't why I voted for him. That's was what began my suspicion on him. My vote is for him going for the Durian after claiming vanilla villager which is just weird for me. That's why my vote was along with that statement and not along with the one you quoted. And I think you're exaggerating TUO's deaths. As far as I recall, I've voted on him for behaving in a similar way just once, I think in MR50. And he's definitely not getting killed D1 often either, lately he's just been skirting to mid-end game without saying much. In his own words, he said he was going to try something different. So he hasn't been this way in every game since and he hasn't been getting killed D1, so.... in conclusion your reaction was very strong and it seems you are jumping on me on the pretense that I was jumping on TUO [and well now Kas jumped on you ]. I did use the same reason to vote for Books on multiple instances (rightly, might I add) so I don't know if you're just mixing that up or just deliberately exaggerating it. And to repeat, I was willing to let it go this time, if not for the Durian request as a vanilla. rood -.- I want I waant! I just said Kas' name first because... Illwei, em, you see we can talk in any game we play! But Kas plays very rarely and...so... well... :P. Seeee @Kasimir, here's someone who appreciates a PM from me hmph Hey hey, third wheel is the strongest wheel! Again, why would you prioritize that over a double life for Zelda and Link? And if you don't want to be a low info kill, make sure you talk loads so that you cannot, by definition, be a low-info kill as you would have talked about different stuff, info could be gleamed from your death :P.

Oh please, you apologize profusely whenever you miss a PM Also, how can we test it? You're saying to do want a PM? :P.

Nah naaah, you're waaay too polite to ignore a PM. xD

-__- oh well we can PM-ify the thread :P.

YOU'RE IMPLYING YOU CAN'T HAVE A CHILL QUIET GAME IF YOU PM WITH MEEEEEE >>

Hey HEY, now I didn't ask you to trust me at all! I just want a chill PM with you! Hmmmmm you're being evasive smh :P. smh see this implies you want to pull similar stuff. *concern* indeed :P. Aaaand I'm getting LG73 vibes in which you were free with information, particularly with items. Lmaoooo I remember reading this from somewhere, I think it was the MU quiz? Or no, it was the infinite scroll mafia page? But it's definitely a copypasta :P. And I see we're continuing c/ping their posts for the rest of the game? smh Mat, don't fall for it :P. And I wanna search for this game :P. wait what? it's 2+2?? not the infinite scroll forum? I'm misremembering stuff smh [Edit: @DrakeMarshall, it's the hi in this post] The Unknown Order Durian is more important to Link and Zelda. You being a vanilla and going for it doesn't make sense. Okay at this point, with how Archer is pushing the plan, I'm reading him as strong village or strong elim Beedle. Nothing in between There's a difference though, you can infer things about people from the items they ask. More than you can infer stuff by knowing who's talking to whom. So, if Beedle uses the 'no rhyme no reason' method while handing out goodies, I'd be concerned :P. There definitely is a balance problem btw. 2 Durians mean 2 double lives from Link's attack, which is OP imo. Even disregarding that, they can have untrackable kills every cycle, and depending on the roles, they can use Frogs to double target scan, double roleblock and so on. It'd be a really really weird distro for there to be an elim!Beedle. Also agreed. Reading Drake as village right now.

Heyyyyyyy when do I ever leave you unhappy hmm? You'll have a quiet game, I promise >:)

Shakhtar was merrily hopping about. Of course he was freaking out on the inside, but he always believed to face adversity with a smile. If he was to solve the case of the hidden Yiga, he needed to talk to maaaany others. "Postmaaaan! Oh Postmaaaaan! Come out come out wherever you are! I need you to carry a message to my good old friend Kazs! Need his help if we're gonna do this, but first, off to find out if a Yiga was foolish enough to try and replace the old sod. Ya hear me Postman?" [Yes, that's me asking the Postman a PM with Kas, don't listen to his disapprovals, I'll let him have a chill Kas game ] Of everyone posted so far, feeling super good about Archer. After reading Mat's post, I was about to disagree with him that Beedle not be village, but Archer's point that it would make it easy for e!Beedle to supply the elims with whatever they need to too OP even for trolly!Striker to come up with. I don't see how to build an elim team around Beedle. The overall though process of the post as well, seems very village-ish. Though there is a flaw with 'go for Frog' plan as I wouldn't advice making deductions based on item requests because here you're assuming all the villagers will not go for it, and also that Zelda/Link might go for the double life item. Edit: Ninja'd by Archer's latest post. That is a much better plan, and yeah it only increased the village read of you. Still unsure if all the other villagers would follow through the plan, or if Zelda/Link are on board too. As I said, IKYK situations like Zelda not going for the Frog but an elim going for it might lead to Beedle hard clearing the elim.

I wanna run a Kandra game solely because I want to have a game called Cata'Kandra'

"Oi, lissun ohp lads! Weevad enuf! We been traeted loik absolute shyte and we been doin' nuthin aboudit. Strikes? Writin' crap on newspaepers? That's nuthin! We... we are doin somethin' big!" "Sonnuy! Had too much to drink lad? Geddown from up there! Always start barkin up stuff when yuv gotta little somethin in ya. Don't be going around spoutin' stuff you don't want probin' ears to eer." Before Sonny could protest, we was forced down and odd the roundtable he was yelling from the top of, at the Bent Boxing. Sure he was drunk, but he meant every word he said. Have it your way then, but on the 'morrow? A factory goes up in flames. Buh for now.... I'll just...rest....my...eyes... *snore* Since the game is also partially inspired by Peaky Blinders, I'll be playing as a character from the '20s Birmingham, accent and all :P. Signing up as Sonny, an overenthusiastic brash young worker seeking revolution by revenge and a penchant for... large showy statements of intent.

Nooooooo, now I want a Postman - Beedle hybrid role. Beedle can be a postman, no?

Hmmm, all these pictures give off Avatar: TLA vibes. Also, the Yiga Clan fellas look like Deadpool with a sickle and a scary mask. Also also, I wanna be Beedle. Beedle looks like fun. And I get to yay or nay everyone's item requests. @StrikerEZ and @Biplet, gimme Beedle

Lmaoo watch me roll Postman and start a PM with you :P. C'mon we've got a 1273 message PM to beat! :P. So, I know close to absolutely nothing about Zelda, so I'll choose the name of a football club with Zelda-y sounding name :P. Sign me up as Shakhtar. Character to be made up as we go along :P.

Hey hey, good game elims and Araris! I was hoping I'd get Coinshot again, but alas, Striker decided to do away with the role :P. Happy to be right about Ash and Bip :P. Just wish I hadn't been voted out. Also, fun fact. This is the earliest I have died in an LG. I wasn't killed before N2 until now Thanks for running the game, Striker and Bard! Hope I'll be graced with the kandra in the next rerun

Oh hey, someone wants to vote on Biplet.

Uhh okay, so you do agree that it's unlikely elim!me would not mentioned anything about Lotus, and yet you vote for me? Yes, maybe Lotus might not [edit] have been in danger, but she was playing so similar to her game in LG73, and I would hope someone would have noticed that too. That's because it's the only thing I can use to defend myself. I can't defend myself against "timing seems elimy" in any other way than just not wanting to lose a possible good villager for no reason. There really wasn't a need to distance from an elim teammate that early in the game. Nah, I'm not the Coinshot so don't worry about that. Though I am a Lurcher, so do whatever you want with that info. I protected Archer last cycle. Last thoughts, since everyone seems to not be coming back before rollover: My next vote would be on Biplet, she feels too on the fence about me and Ash, and feels like she wants to hide in side-trains. Also, there's the previous repeated emphasis on her retraction from Experience. I'm not so sure about Drake, but I think he's village. Look out for Mat. If he's repeatedly vote for Szeth, there's a high chance he's an elim. Just because I'll flipped village, do not clear him. Still think Books is village, and a bit less sure about Archer now, but I guess vote is still sorta valid. Szeth, I keep flip flopping cause they just jumped on Archer's vote. Why would they trust Archer blindly at this stage? Ash, I'm actually not sure. I inquired about Ash to Araris because he differentiated us, so I wanted to see if there was a connection, but now Ash is voting for Araris, sooooo... I have no clue about Araris, I'm not discerning if his vote on me is malicious or not. Who else who else? I think that's it? Devotary has spoken too little for me to get a read, but as I said, she's behaving differently to the usual games.

@Szeth_Pancakes, you said you'd be doing your analysis Cycle 2 onwards, since you did not want to be read wrong based on your Cycle 1 analysis, but all you did this cycle was jump on Archer's vote. Could you give some of your own thoughts?