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Since every Honourspren is bonded there was no one to update. The oldest Honourspen alive other than Syl are younger than the Recreance and were almost certainly told about it by the Stormfather, who would know how things went.

Ended neutral I'd say

Honestly Moash is a Kelsier that ended badly

Same difference as when you've been alive for one hundred. When did they do that?

There's no way the Song of Prayers works out of the Rosharan system Lawful Evil at it's finest

Yes, Ruin is speaking with his pure tone, like the Well is ringing with Preservation's pure tone

I don't see why that formulation can't mean "Taknig the Dawnshard (the one known to bind any...)" It implies that that Dawnshard can bind things more easily than Change does, but yes the other two could bind things to Ok, did you really missunderstand my words or are you acting like a bad Wit? Interesting Your right, Ruin is does want to speed a the process, by how much is up to the Vessel though Maybe? In my opinion a compassionate Ruin isn't impossible (compassionate in a twisted "you will suffer no more, little one" way, but still) so a calm Ruin with a "Even if I didn't do a thing I'd win" mindset seems possible to me I had misunderstood it How does me saying Ati speaking to passion doesn't mean Ruin is about passion imply I think Taravangian not mentioning passion implies he's not about passion? If anything I'm saying the opposite. Was this supposed to be insulting or was it accidental? Ruin never spoke and Odium spoke once Not very passionate I'd say Repeating the same sentence over and over won't make me believe it Once again, Ati did that. For this discussion conflating Vessel and Shard is really not something we can do. Also erratic behavior is of Change not of Feel If Ruin didn't care about emotions would he still dominate Ati's emotions? I think there's circular reasoning here Less relevant but Shards can't mindcontrol their vessel since they don't have a mind Did you just answer "it can't be A since it's B" to someone saying "That thing is both A and B"? Glass is an amorphous solid, which is still since it's solid but the position of the atoms are still quite random Compare to the crystaline version Conquest is about imposing your rule, if your rule is chaotic it's still a conquest. Controlling people by being the strongest is control but not order I disagree with the first part, Chaos reduce the number of paths to take to since you'll be constantly colliding with other people's chaos and will have to step back. She's not unique, Devoltion, Mercy and Valour agree, possibly Invention too (if they'd accept mad scientists) and Autonomy (o"rder is okay as long as I consider myself free") The writing on this picture is annoyingly small and you obviously change your mind since you wrote it since Cultivation is in the Chaos part so I'm not reading that Only right before he died They also say that Honour created gravity and Odium understand people Thanks Honestly almost all the Shards in the "like Change" category seems obvious to me so I don't really see which one are a little iffy Have a nice week

Actually it was because Kalak was about to figure how to worldhop as a CS and Thaidakar wants to know how to do that

That does seem possible

I couldn't find the WoB I was talking about, thought I found that Also So I think it's likely at least some of them where Voidbinders

Yeah, especially with how insanely destructive Soucalsting can be with the right knowledge and how insane undbound Adhesion and abound reverse Lashings should be Note that Lift and Renarin don't get red eyes so it's not as straightforward as you might think Doesn't mean they didn't use the power of Honour and Cultivation, we've seen tons of people that didn't follow Preservation use Allomancy. (though it's confirmed some humans on Ashyn were Voidbinders)

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Waxillium's Godmetal would be called Waxillium so no, her metal is Koravellium

So you agree Vasher was also talking about fossils of cremlings? I think I'm missing a part of the sentence, are you saying we've seen BAM bond to sprens? Could just be that they don't need it so they never tried tbh. I'm still on my idea that that kind of incarnated CS just can't bond spren though

That's not the question I asked. I asked why you thought Vasher said "you may have this kind of fossil" and not "you may have fossils" when in his previous sentence he said his planet was too young to have any fossil. Yes, because lesser sprens can't bound a Fused any more than Syl can attract a gloryspren

Odium said it was because he was a Boundsmith in Oathbringer

The poem says "known to bind any" not "known to bind to any" That was supposed to be encouragement Why would we use unpublised non-cannon works when we have cannon? Ati spoke of passion Ati wanted to speed the process up. And anyway that part doesn't require any feeling. Assuming it's not just a common point between Ati and Sazed, that is an argument against Ruin being Notice that being completely full of passion freed them of Ruin's influence I don't see why the Vessel of a Shard that doesn't care would never scream. If Odium can do thing opposite to he's intent like that I don't see why Ati couldn't be/become passionate without it directly coming from Ruin. Note that I'm not suggesting that Ruin is against people feeling, I think it just don't care whether or not you think, feel or exists, just that you change and don't revert. Preservation and Dominion are not Order Shards. Preservation is about Stillness, if something is both chaotic and still (like glass) it's fine with it. Dominion is about Conquest, Divide and Conquer is definitely something it's fine with. Therefore Honour is neutral to Change. Note that successful state always have mechanism that allow them to change so they don't get behind their time and get thrown into chaos. Dominion believes in adding more member under your rule, which is of Change. Here's my breakdown of the Shards in For-Neutral/Against for the Change Dawnshard For: Cultivation, Ruin, Whimsy, Invention, Endowment, Dominion, Ambition, Valour Neutral/Against: Preservation, Odium, Autonomy, Mercy, Devotion, Honour, The Shard In Hiding, The Unknown One Mercy, TSIH and TUO are in the neutra/against part because I was running out of space in the For part and Valour makes more sense than Mercy there in my opinion

Why do you think that? Ulim could go out of Venli's gemheart while bounded. By the way, the fused are not in the gemheart of their host but in their whole bodies, otherwise the Fused-antivoidlight reaction would have been far more explosive

It's not completely sure he couldn't Unmake Sprens, the limit of his non violence are quite unclear, even to him Also you didn't answer my question about which of your Dawnshard would be the binding one mentioned in the poem of Ista By all mean, try. Worse that can happen is you fail and we can learn something from that failure It's not that obvious If Change is completely Remake then even if your idea of Change+not-Live doesn't really work since Remake is by definition positive. Except it's not how it works Ruin is the 2nd principle, the the thing that make thing unable to come back to their previous state and make them continue to change until there's no where to Change to and the universe is cold and dead, pure Change cannot be Decay because all of Decay and more is already in Ruin Ati was active and driven, Ruin is just a fact, it doesn't care anymore than inertia cares This becomes even worse with other interpretation of Hoid's Dawnshard, with things like Survive or Continue you basically have another Dawnshard that act as a not-Change

Indeed I doubt it, before a Trueself invest an alumnium sheet it's not linked to their identity so according to this theory it should resist the Ferring investing it.

Or whatever Hoid's Dawnshard is actually called Ruin would probably just have a one for Change in that theory And the fact that it'd implies the existence of a Create Dawnshard which has the exact same issues plus the fact we don't have a Dawnshard that would have a good reason to cause Hoid's meet aversion Depending on the 4th Dawnshard I could see Autonomy being 0000