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I might be wrong, but I dont think flashback chapters are supposed to start until part 3 of RoW.

In OB, Dalinar mentions that when he gave the Shin news of the Everstorm, they congratulated him. What if Gavilar or some other Sons of Honor member had contacted the Shin about bringing back the desolation, and so when the desolation returns, the Shin think that this is what Dalinar wants and are congratulating him for achieving the Sons of Honor's goal of bringing back the desolations.

From Brandon's annotation on reddit saying that the next chapter is from somebody we haven't seen yet, I'm guessing that it is going to be Venli. The only other option would be Lirin.

I don't think he has to reconcile with Kaladin to become a lightweaver but it would feel cheap if they never had a moment (maybe for his 3rd or 4th ideal?). I agree with whoever said it would be cool if Gaz saved Kaladin's life. I could also see Gaz being able to say something that helps Kaladin get of his funk/swear the 4th ideal. Maybe not something incredibly profound but coming from Gaz who used to be such a selfish person.

My guess is that Ishnah is the one working with the Ghostbloods and she killed Ialai. Also I'm liking Shallan pov a lot better than in Oathbringer.

Sorry if this the wrong place to ask this but does anybody know if we will be able to get the ebook from the amazon store (like normal) or will it only be available from Brandon's kickstarter?

It doesn't seem like the fused gravitation works the same way as windrunner gravitation so it wouldn't surprise me if the way elsecallers and willshapers use transportation will be different than this.

Syl teasing Kaladin was hilarious. Same with Lift falling as she got off the bridge. I can't wait to see Lift in the second arc. I feel like she is going to be a really important and powerful radiant warrior as she is practically growing up with surges.

I don't see Brandon counting Syl as a character in the character groupings since she is pretty obviously going to be wherever Kaladin is. We know that Lift is with Kaladin in Hearthstone and she returns to Urithiru in her interlude pov (which Kaladin appears to have done as well per Syl's interlude), so I think it makes more sense that Lift is the 5th character in the primary arc. Even if she is not in the primary arc, she could also be the through-line interlude character, but I see her being in the primary arc as being more likely. Also, why isn't Renairin mentioned at all? I feel like he could make sense as a secondary character in the primary arc, hanging out with bridge 4.

When Syl says that a bondsmith created a herald and that the bondsmith already had the power that immediately made think of Ishar. I just looked him up on the coppermind and under the Binder of Gods part it says that he "is sometimes described as having powers even before he came to be known as a herald" so I think it was Ishar who created the heralds. Also begs the question of where he got the power from? Was it something from Ashyn or did Ishar bond a spren. Nale says that he is the only one to join his own order, but maybe Nale just never knew or maybe Ishar was bonded but never joined the radiants because that would have been well before the beginning of the radiants. Also could be why the Sibling withdrew possibly? Maybe the sibling was his spren and he used the power from it to create the radiants and then undbonded it. And then when the radiants abonded their oaths that is why the sibling retreated because it was directly connected to oaths so the breaking of the oaths hurt it a lot. Sorry for the rambling I am excited.

I wouldn't say that Lopen is a full windrunner, it is just that he is now a windrunner rather than just a windrunner squire since he bonded his own spren.

I've always thought of the Skybreakers swearing to follow a code as more of a way to remove themselves from their own selfish desires than to remove their responsibility for their actions. They see humans as fallible and so they strive to follow a code so that they can be better people. I think the fact that the current Skybreakers blindly follow the law is the result of Nale's influence more so than being what the Skybreakers are actually supposed to stand for.

Oathbringer Glasgow signing (Dec. 2, 2017) #2 Share Copy Play/Pause Hoidonalsium In that one long rejection of Odium, how many Oaths did Dalinar swear before merging the Realms? And is "I am Unity" the fifth. Brandon Sanderson No, that is not an Oath. He swore one ideal in that experience. Hoidonalsium Okay. How many Oaths is he on? Brandon Sanderson The number you think. So, he should have just finished three, right? Or maybe four. I'll have to go look. It's the number that you think it is. I'm not being sneaky on you. There's nothing sneaky there. He doesn't get armor, so I can't remember where he is... He should be at three. "Life before death." "I will unite instead of divide." "I will stand up each time I fall." Yeah, so he's done three. I just saw this WoB in the 5th ideal discussion. I thought Dalinar manifested proto-shardplate in his vision with Venli. Am I reading this WoB wrong or is Dalinar actually not going to get plate?

Knights of Wonder, King of the Way, Killers of Honor side note: We all know Brando put you up to this @Ripheus23 so that we could brainstorm names for him.

The singers that Kaladin finds after visiting his parents were in warform and I'm pretty sure Venli at one point notes a singer that is in scholarform, so it seems like they were just given various regular forms.

I just looked at that (its in chapter 27), and Shallan says that there would probably be hundreds of people in most of the orders to fill the whole auditorium. That would put the Dustbringers at at least one of the average sized orders. Also, I doubt which order was largest stayed the same all the time. There was likely fluctuation in how many people were in each order.

I think the Dustbringers were one of the biggest orders. I remember Malata saying something about hundreds of ashspren being killed during the Recreance which would put them at a higher number than stonewards and windrunners per Dalinar's vision.

Now that Taravangian has revealed to Dalinar that he was the one controlling Szeth, how does he expect to remain king of Jah Kaved? He is responsible for the death of their king as well as several high princes. I would expect him to have trouble keeping control of it once the truth behind Szeth's murders gets out. Also how does he expect to remain part of the coalition? In addition to ordering the deaths of the king and several highprinces in Jah Kaved, he is also responsible for the death's of 2 of Azir's Primes and he attempted to have Dalinar killed.

Kelsier fought for the end to oppression against the skaa. He killed in order to make things better for people and he did so by his own accord. Vin only killed when she or somebody who she cared about was being attacked or when pursuing her own goals of either helping skaa or saving the world. Moash killed Elhokar in retribution for his part in the death's of Moash's grandparents. This makes sense. An eye for an eye is a type of morality. However, killing Jezrien did not help Moash get revenge for his parent's death and it did not help him end the oppression he has witnessed against both darkeyes and singers. There is no justification, so there is no morality to it.

I was about to put the same thing. I guess you could argue that he probably does not know about all of Odium's plans, but his lack of remorse in the killing shows that he does not have much of a moral code.

If I was in a war where an evil ball of hatred ordered me to kill the greatest human who ever lived, who at this point was a completely mad beggar, I probably would not do it unless I was threatened with some kind of bodily harm, which Moash is not. Moash has put his trust in the wrong place, largely because it was the best way for him to get his revenge. It is understandable how he got there, but killing people and furthering the agenda of a big ball of hatred that wants to kill all the people on the planet is evil.

Moash himself admits that Jezrien is known as "the greatest human who had ever lived." I would argue that killing the greatest human who had ever lived would be considered immoral. In fact, I would argue that killing any human who you don't really no much about just because your master tells you to would be considered evil. Jezrien may have broken the oathpact, but he had defended humanity from destruction for thousands of years before that. Just because he was driven to madness does not mean that he deserves to die. I think this is Moash's only truly evil moment. At this point he has pretty much completely given himself over to Odium. While he did some immoral things beforehand, like choosing his desire for vengeance over his friendship with Kal, those actions were at least understandable.

Could be the reason why they are always screaming. Also, I feel like it is more likely that Maya does not have a corresponding shardplate (her radiant may have not reached the needed edgedancer ideal for shardplate yet). With the WoB about how shardbearers can sometimes communicate with linked blades and plate, the fact that Adolin can talk to Maya when he only has the blade suggests that he already has the entirety of Maya's bond (I know he is not bonded to her I just don't know how else to describe it).

I think this theory still works with the Culitvation's usual pattern. She isn't giving him something that he is storing. She is taking something from him, storing it, and then later giving it back. This is similar to Dalinar's situation with Cultivation, where she takes his memories, stores them, and then later gives them back.

This has really interesting parallels to the Israel - Palestinian conflict. I wonder if that's where Brandon got his inspiration. Israel was originally Jewish land, then (I don't know how) the Palestinians got it, and then the Jews came back to take it again (and succeeded). The Palestinians would be represented by the humans while the Jews would be represented by the Singers. In both conflicts, it is not clear who is right and who is wrong and each side has done bad things to the other.