Frustration

I wholeheartedly support this.

Reference to this WoB Basically its shorthand for Brandon making a mistake.

I cannot even begin to fathom the arrogance of coming into someone else's thread and then trying to overrule them. You aren't even making a correction of inaccurate information, you're just taking over for no reason. And that Shallan appearing in the CR when soulcasting. It's their thread, they very much can.

I'm going to say that's probably an Oathbringer-Honorblade, especially given how Dilaf says that the Skaze say elantrians die just like any mortal, or how Galadon's father died of a heart attack.

Ladylameness made one already, I'll see if I can find it. Edit: @The Bookwyrm here: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/112964-era-1-the-final-empire-and-era-2-combined-maps/

"I've got most of this shelf covered in metal. If I can get it to land on it I might be able to immobilize it."

"I'm kind of hoping I can get that thing to land!" Isek called back, not taking his eyes off of the zoological sewing disaster that was still looking down at them.

Sazed is talking about a theoretical concept that he has never used himself. If compounding was a *10 multiplier than allomancy would have to get stronger the more you stored in a metalmind, as all compounding is is using allomancy to fuel feruchemy. And since allomancy does not become more powerful it cannot be multiplicative Why would it not be? If there is an inbalance of power someone has to be on the weaker end. The PoV characters are just always either equal or greater in power than their opponents.

What with it? Pewter made him just as fast, and heal just as quickly, a-atium is effectively the same thing as f-zinc. Did Marsh even have any other feruchemical abilities? Sazed described it as that at the end of final empire. Brandon said that metals are basically just aons, so compounding is just a different aon It's not just a one fight, or one scene thing, it's the entirety of the book up to that point. We have seen division exactly twice, and I don't think it is even called division. The Skybreakers have never used division on screen, whereas Vin has burned atium.

Given the description of the kings drop after the Thrill was imprisoned and before Chiri-Chiri drained I doubt an unmade was inside. Larkin can naturally feed on voidlight

Hold up, 50:50, with earth's population on it's own would be insane, 75:25! That's 6 Billion magic users per planet.

So ever since TLM came out we've had the question: Why did Wax's trellium+harmonium explosion create lerasium when none of the others did? And I think I found the answer. The trellium Wax used was part of a hemalurgic spike. The Set had access to new trellium, so they wouldn't waste their spikes by using them for bombs, and the stockpile they had is were everyone else has been drawing from. Now as for why this would be the case, I have no idea. The extra ruin provided a new reaction pathway that allowed some lerasium to survive is my only guess, but I can't see anything else that Wax could have done differently. So anyway, what do you think? Did I get it, or is there a different reason that Wax's experiment produced Lerasium?

Wow. I, a human being, am capable of improvement. Never would have thought. If you had two compounders one of which stored 1 breath worth of investiture in a piece of metal, and stored 4 breath worth of investiture in a separate metalmind, and then burned the first piece of metal and stored the resulting attribute. And the second one stored 5 breaths worht of investiture in a piece of metal, and burned that, while storing all of the resulting attribute in a metalmind, they would both end up with the same amount of investiture later. Those are all with the protagonist having more power. Did that ever happen? Vasher was probably no more than second heightening at that point, so yeah Kaladin was the more powerful of the two. But he was just as invested, and could do basically anything that Marsh could. How? It's literally just using allomancy and then telling the power to do something else. That'd be like calling each aon a separate power. Elend wins(HoA page 40). They had the same amount of power, Zane could just use his. "Used" and "displayed" are two very different words. As far as the story is concerned Nale is just a cooler, more important skybreaker, while Dalinar holds the remnatns of Honor's name and power. Dalinar has been shown to unite the realms, generate stormlight, create full lashings, repair buildings, lift increadible weights, etc. Nale has been shown to fly and wave a shardblade around.

Squires use more light and have no oaths.

Well, Sel can just spend a few weeks/months/however making a massive aon sheo and kill the planet. Roshar has a dawnshard, but I'm guessing those aren't allowed, bondsmiths and Elsecallers can make interplanetary portals, so they can open one up to the sun, or even just the vaccum of space, and either vaproize the planet or siphon off the atmosphere.

With direct fueling the number is irrelevant, as the mist will be channeled by the user. 1. We don't know exactly how powerful Wax became, so that's hard to say. 2. The only hint I can think of is him pushing on a bullet, and maybe grabbing the vial. 3. It didn't impact the narrative, so on a narrative level it might as well not have happened. This is a narrative analysis, and as each one has had equal narrative weight, yes they are equal. Huh, very well, there is another fight. Well, I'm making a narrative analysis, and anything that doesn't impact the narrative is therefore not considered.

Roshar and Sel have really easy wins, they just retreat to the CR, and then kill earth from there. I would actually place Nalthis next, given 8 billion breath I don't think there's much Earth can even do to slow them down. Taldain takes definite third, they probably match or even exceed earth technology wise depending on when you take them from, which I'm saying SA 5 ish Next is Scadrial, then First of the Sun, then Threnody.

No, the combat focus was a secondary point. And reguardless at that level of investiture the separate powers start to become meaningless. Fueled by mists a-Pewter heals as well as f-gold(As seen by vin healing her legs and fingers at Kredik Shaw). Once you get to that point raw investiture pretty much levels any minute differences. Did he just not use it, or was his dose of Lerasium so small that it made no preceptable difference? I already replied to this very point, but I'll go over it again. Nale has never displayed division, or Shardplate, if you want to argue that those make him more powerful than Dalinar I will point out unchained bondsmith's potential. It was not an argument made on it's own merits, but to point out the flaws in another argument. Think satire, except it's not funny, No, only the Set fired guns, Wax just pointed his. A fabrial that you touched duralumin to would consume a lot more stormlight than another one, reguardless of which one actually held more power. And is the fact that having an honorblade and being a radiant of the smae order making you stronger something that the story brings up or something we only know from WoB's? And you know the things I like because? Or are you just guessing based on what I think is strong? That's not a difference in power, just when it's used. So I do not receive a notification when that happens, I had wondered if I would. Thank you. One is an actual argument, the other is unfunny satire. So you admit that you came here specifically to start an argument? A compounder is using allomancy to fuel feruchemy. It's the same amount of power as being an augur. It's kind of the standard definition when browsing these kinds of discussions, I guess I just assumed everyone already knew that, which is my bad, I'll admit. I made that kind of argument It was ignored, so I pointed out the flaw in the argument that Nale was more powerful, which worked until someone else brought it up.

You're just the first person who can't figure out the difference. Yes, that's why you're twisting words and trying to start a fight. And? Wax gets the same power out of his steel. It is you who needs a reread. The reason Ishar is unchained is because Honor is dead, not because he has an honorblade. No, skill is in application, power is ability. Then don't make arguments that aren't within that criteria. And if you do except me to make counterpoints showing why you argument is flawed. Powered up on Shards as they were, that didn't matter. And they didn't fight before Wax got the bands. Wax pulled a gun on Telsin and got shot, crawled away and got shot again. Everyone else surrendered or ran. He did have some powers even before becoming a slave, we saw Syl in his PoV of the battle with Helaran. Already talked about above. With Gavilar we saw through Szeth's PoV, so the protagonist had more power. Adolin and Dalinar also had Kaladin, who was as powerful as Szeth. Stronger perhaps, but not more powerful. Which doesn't affect the story.

Well I've been using those arguments here for years, and you're the first person who hasn't understood them. I literally just explained how it is. And if you are still going to split hairs based on any twist in semantics you can, let me ask you: What are you trying to accomplish here? No it doesn't, compounding is simply using Allomancy to power feruchemy, it does not grant more power than Allomancy would when burning the same metal, the only difference is what form that power takes. So, they both have two abilities, and the same amount of Investiture. @therunner just did an excellent job at that. Unoathed surgebinders are not more powerful, simply not bound by the moral code the oaths require. If I'm looking at things exclusively based on how they impact the story and find something about the narrative structure of said story, why should your argument based around things that do not impact the story (or in this case something that is not power when I am analysing power) be acceptable as a counter argument when not only does it fail to work as a narrative analysis system, but also fails to work as an argument using their criteria as well?

We do in fact know that, as it was Bondsmith powers that made the oathpact. No he doesn't, he can simply store that Investiture for later use. Wax's Investiture is just more spread out. That doesn't make Ishar more powerful. Alright, I'll walk you through every step then. If Tglassy says that Nale is more powerful based on powers we have not seen, then I will point out powers Dalinar has that we have not seen. This is done to poke holes in the opponents argument by showing that even on their own standards they do not work. You are determined to split hairs here and take everything I say as literally as possible in order to cause a fight aren't you? This is a narrative analysis, not an in world analysis. Given that context anything that happens in the text is considered a display. Whether or not it is thoughts or words of the characters. That's not true, the only difference is when they used the power. Miles could simply store it for use later, he didn't have more. Unchained and unoathed are two different things. Ishar might not have oaths, but that does not give him access to more power. Skill is a non factor here, the only time it has been brought up by me is in counter arguments done to point out flaws in others reasoning, never as a point of power unto itself.

I never once mentioned singularities. Now, I did mention perpendicularities, which is what I'm assuming you are referring to, and as you will note there was a clause added that if the amount of Investiture stored in two large metalminds and an implant was not enough, then don't try to do it, and use different metals instead.

We know that Renarin is voidbinding.

The mistings are electrum mistings.

Yes, January boxes haven't been shipped yet, so Brandon released the February boxes early.