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Here's his exact wording:

A specific point against that is that Venli should be in Group 1: Have you read my original post? I don't blame you if you didn't--it's long--but I make most of these points there, and it's easier for me to discuss if those points are directly addressed. Technically, Brandon said that Szeth has at least one PoV, which could mean more. Even if he does only get one, the minor group slots were described in a way that wouldn't preclude him from being in them. @Pathfinder Yeah, I misunderstood. I agree with the point Isilel made about that.

I have already given my points against your theory about Adolin, so I'll just leave that be. However, I do have a separate point against this specific theory on the groupings. Brandon said that Group 2 will get viewpoints in Part 1. If all of the Part 1 PoVs were in Group 1, Group 2 wouldn't get any viewpoints there. Beyond that point, my original post goes into more depth. @Pathfinder I had responded because I thought you were asking me a question. Are you saying that I interpreted it wrong and that your question was already answered? Sorry about any confusion there; intention is difficult to communicate through text.

No, the Stump was the Radiant they were looking for, and she was a Truthwatcher. Check out the coppermind--it's got answers to most of the things you have questions about: https://coppermind.net/

Yes, that is true, which means small inaccuracies are to be expected, but I don't really understand how that is relevant to what I said. What I said doesn't assume that there aren't any small inaccuracies. "0" could mean "1," and "couple" could mean "few," or other things like that. The new information doesn't technically apply in any new ways. The new information is just strong additional evidence that those five characters are not in Group 3, and that Shallan and Adolin are indeed in a group together. That is all stuff--as I explain in my original post--that we had evidence towards before. As for the alternative that the groups might be swapping in the middle of the book: There are also other things against that in the update 5.

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There are two problems with this: This was included in the visual outline diagram Brandon made. It means that Part 1 viewpoint characters are not in Group 3. No information from chapters 1-8 was used anyway. @Kuram

Here is the reason I had made previously about Lift not being in it: Now, however, I am leaning on the idea that which PoV character gets the distinction of that final Group 1 spot doesn't really matter. If Syl and Lift are both at Urithiru, and both of them just get an interlude, does it matter which one of them is actually considered to have that spot and which one of them is just an interlude character? Would there be any way to even make that distinction, for that matter? I'd consider the main unknown to be who, between Szeth and Jasnah, ends up in Group 1, and who ends up in Group 3. Try as I might, I can't find any WoB evidence that points strongly either direction. There is slight evidence towards Jasnah being the one in Group 1, but that evidence is very weak. The main spots all have a good amount of supporting evidence. The grouping as far as I can determine (most of the reasoning is in my original post) is: Group 1: Navani, Venli, Kaladin, 1 of (Szeth, Jasnah), and "I don't think there will be any way to determine the final spot, even after the book is released." Group 2: Shallan, Adolin Group 3: Dalinar, 1 of (Szeth, Jasnah)

I wasn't talking about the SDCC reading when I said Shallan would be a Part 1 PoV. I was talking about the preview chapters on Tor.com. Shallan is definitely a Part 1 PoV: Ah, I think you're looking at just the next to last spoiler box. If you look at the 3rd and 4th spoiler boxes , they'll have what you're looking for. Although, there are certain things that make the thing you said about Lift unlikely. I'll go into specifics if you'd like, but I'd suggest first looking at those two spoiler boxes, and maybe the Lift section in the deductions one.

There are multiple reasons she wouldn't be in Group 3, but the main one is that Group 3 doesn't get viewpoints in Part 1, but Venli does.

Not only that, but with Shallan and Adolin as the definite Group 2, Kaladin, Navani, and Venli are confirmed as Group 1 alongside that, being the other "major" Part 1 PoVs. Those key predictions seem to have held up pretty well. @Karger Venli with the Urithiru crowd... interesting. I can't wait to see how that happens.

One idea I've always liked about the poem of Ista is that the one "taking the Dawnshard" is a sleepless. They crawled up the steps, and the steps are ten strides tall. Who would measure height in strides?

Here's the one I was talking about right there: Reddit update 5

Something strange about this is that his eyes are dark green. Although, this might just be unclear wording.

The PoV characters do not start out split into groups, so that doesn't tell us anything. See the bottom my original post for all of the WoBs we have about the groups.

Ah, I didn't realize that. In that case, the likelihood definitely shifted less than I first thought.

I get that the outline might not hold 100%, but there has been a notable accessory viewpoint in Part 1 of a Stormlight book: Cenn. He was not included in the list at the beginning of that part, and if Lirin were to only get chapter 1, the two situations would be very similar, and it would be strange that that list was handled differently for two situations that are almost the same. Of course, it's all still speculation, but we should be finding out soon now that preview chapters are being released. Edit: Also, by "we already have at least two of them not getting POVs in this part," you mean 4, right? 9 - 5 = 4

On the flip side, looking at WoK Part 1, Cenn isn't named, and that situation is arguably closer to this one than those other 4 you mentioned.

I'm not talking about the actual events; I'm referring to how those five are listed as the viewpoint characters at the beginning of Part 1, which will only include PoVs from Groups 1 and 2.

https://www.tor.com/2020/07/23/read-rhythm-of-war-by-brandon-sanderson-prologue-and-chapter-one/ This confirms Kaladin, Shallan, Navani, Venli, and Lirin as Part 1 PoVs. That should lock down Lirin as a minor Group 1 PoV. https://www.comic-con.org/cciathome/2020/video/4lRDdxUy5iE This has an explicit confirmation that Szeth will get some PoV chapters (maybe just one). It is still unclear if he is in Group 1 or 3.

Laene is in your chapter by chapter analysis, but doesn't seem to be in your unique PoV breakdown.

@Use the Falchion, Wit's story will be told to a minor PoV in Group 1. Before we had the Syl interlude, I had no idea what would really be going on with Group 1 since I thought that Kaladin's group wouldn't be staying at Urithiru. Now that we know a little of what's going on with Kaladin, I could definitely see him staying. That also solves the issue some people had about Navani leaving. The remaining question about that group would be how Venli fits in. Since Venli is extremely likely to be in Group 1, which seems likely to be at Urithiru, Venli might eventually come there in part 2 or 3, either as an infiltration or being imprisoned.

I had already referenced this WoB earlier in this thread, but I somehow missed this important section of it. Here, Brandon explains that the flashback characters will be in each of the five parts of their book, not including the flashbacks. Unless Brandon has changed his overall structure for Stormlight books since then, this seems to be a much clearer indication that Venli is indeed in Group 1. He also says that the novelette/interlude main character will be someone that hasn't had viewpoints before, which narrows down the options for that slot a good amount. It is unclear whether someone like Rlain, who has had only one viewpoint so far, can be a candidate for this spot, so he remains a good option, but I think that this makes it much less likely to be, say, Moash or Taravangian.

The Hearthstone scene starts in chapter 1. The interludes are between parts.