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Hmm. Maybe I’m not following. If he fills his pewter mind constantly, never letting himself get any bigger, you’re saying that if he were to stop he could wind up with muscles that are too big? Or are you saying that he could wind up having permanent half strength, like his muscles get stuck in fill mode? My original thought was that when he finally does stop filling, his natural state is actually decently muscled. I guess it depends on how working out would work when storing Strength. If you’re storing strength while working out, would you get better returns, or worse? Getting stronger while working out has to do with micro tears on your muscles as you work out, which heal stronger than they were before. You need to lift heavier and heavier weights to continue to get the increases because the lower weights no longer damage the muscle, allowing for that growth. So it could be argued that working out while storing Strength could help the workouts become more potent, because you can always use those weaker weights to tear the muscles. So lift the weight until exhausted, then stop storing Strength, and the muscles should still feel sore, and may repair itself stronger. But I suppose it could also stunt your gains, since you aren’t actually lifting anything. Heavier. Hmm. That’s hard to determine. Also, can you become a Feruchemical savant?

I am highly doubtful that a Kandra could grow gold, or any other kind of Truebody, using Healing. That sounds awfully dubious to me. I mean, when people picture themselves, when they picture their True, Perfected Selves, they usually picture them with clothes on, and yet healing doesn't grow your clothes. That's all a Truebody is. It's clothing. Only, worn inside. So I'm pretty sure all of that doesn't work.

Thank you. That might work. My thought was that because he was so scrawny, even storing for years he just didn’t have much strength. But I’ll see what works when I get to that point. Those are some good plot beats. I’ll def consider those as I write. Yeah, the whole point of the breastplate is for a huge store of Strength. It would do diddly for protection. Though, being invested to the hilt, it should be mostly immune to coin shots and lurchers. And even if they could push or pull off it, they’d be the ones moving. I’ll figure out where to put this last scene. In my usual way, I’ve got a whole huge story arch in my head, complete with this story of him growing up and some other meta plots later as he’s making a living and experimenting with his powers. Down the like maybe he gets ahold of a medallion or two, maybe gets spiked. Maybe winds up in the CR and meets a traveling Horneater. Who knows? One thing at a time. It’s meant to be a fun exercise and since I don’t have to worry about the setting or Magic system, besides a few little things, I can just focus on story.

I would imagine that a Nicroburst would let him sill the metalmind faster, but not necessarily give MORE power. So, let's say you have enough Pewter to burn for ten minutes, and spend all ten minutes burning it and putting the Strength into a Metalmind. Then you get another dose of Pewter that would burn for 10 minutes, only have someone give you a Nicroburst when you started filling it. The two metalminds would have the same amount of power in them, but the one that was filled with a Nicroburst would have been filed instantly, instead of over ten mintues. It would be a quick way to fill his metalminds, and perhaps one of his allies is a Nicrosil Misting, and he goes to him when he needs to compound quickly. Compounding does take time, after all. But with Nicrosil, it would take just a few minutes. Current Changes: Alright, based on a few things, here is what I have. His parents are not Metalborn, but his grandfather on his mother's side is, and his father is Terris. His grandfather is a rancher, and is a Soother. He raises cattle near the city, something that is fairly easy to do in Elendel. He uses his abilities mostly to keep the animals calm when he has to work with them. His parents live in the city, and are working class. They aren't wealthy, but they can afford a house and food and the like. He has a few siblings, but none of them are metalborn. He is a scrawny kid. The kind who can't keep meat on his bones. But as a child, his heart was huge. He thought himself a mountain. The kind of kid who would stand up to a bully even though he's going to get beaten to a pulp, and after being beaten to a pulp would look down at his wounds and say "Wow, only great warriors have such scars." He's the kid from that song, The Greatest by Kenny Rogers. Great song. Go listen to it. Anyway, he isn't sickly, just scrawny. And as a kid, he's always getting in to scrapes with the other kids because he tries to protect other kids, but can't, cause he's basically Steve Rogers before the serum. He's outside every time the Mists come, standing bravely, thinking this will be the day he Snaps. I'm going to say Snapping still requires the Mists, and it is essentially the same process, but just a lot more gentle, and it can happen as young as 8 years old, but sometimes happens much later, typically by the time you get out of puberty. Someone who never goes out in the Mists may snap later in life, as it will require the Mists. But he's out there, every time the Mists come ,hoping every time, and it never happens. But he is not deterred. Then, when he's about 8 or 9 years old or so, he finds out he's a Ferring. Pewter! It's his dream come true! He'll be the strongest man in the world! Only...he's scrawny. Storing Strength takes FOREVER. But he is undeterred! He saves all the strength he can muster. He's given a gift from his father, a Pewter Ring, and he puts everything he can into it. So much so, that he's constantly late for school, or has a hard time getting down the stairs, or doing anything, cause he's always storing what strength he can. And it isn't a lot. But for brief moments, he can tap it and be strong, like he's always seen himself. He is undeterred. Tragidy strikes. His parents are killed when he's around 12 years old. He and his siblings (of which he is the middle child) go to live on the ranch with his grandpa. His world shaken, because he couldn't protect them. He starts working on the farm, while storing strength at the same time. He never really stops, except when he's sleeping, but he wakes in the morning and instinctively stores his strength. He leaves enough of it to let him do his chores, but he's never any stronger than that. He still has his Pewter Ring, but also a Pewter Bracer. Oh he'll tap it when he needs to, but he tries not to as much as possible. He can only store so much, after all, and he may need it to protect someone else. You see, he was out of Pewter when his parents died. He doesn't want to make that same mistake again. He learns a lot on the ranch. The simple pleasure of hard work. His grandfather is a good role model. His older sibling goes off to live with the Terris, his younger stays on the farm. There's going to be some big event when he's around 15-16. Bandits perhaps. He's forced to use his Strength. And he does. He manages to beat them back. But he uses all of his Strength in the process. And when all his strength is empty, he learns something interesting. He's no longer scrawny. In fact, he's rather well toned. For four years, he's worked hard on the farm, but not allowed his mucles to grow. All that time, his base strength has grown, but he always shunted it into the Pewtermind. So he isn't scrawny anymore. He's got the physique of a farmer. He's not large, he'll never be naturally large, but tone and strong and used to hard work. There's going to be a big climax of some kind. Maybe a larger bandit raid (perhaps the previous attack was just a small portion of a larger group) or something. Not sure yet. Either way, it's during this that the Mists come out, and he finally snaps. And when he snaps, he learns that he now has Allomantic Pewter. He knows the theory behind Compounding, and he's been storing strength for years. He uses his newfound strength to beat whoever it is that's attacking. I'll probably have some Koloss there, just to show his relative strength at this point. That's one story arch. It's all backstory, but I think it could make an interesting read if done right. Questions: Ok, this is a bit much. However. I have this scene in my head where, later down the line as he's gotten in to his career and become an expert with his two powers, there's a train car that gets off the track, and they call him to come help put it back on. I see him walking up, putting on a Breastplate made of Pewter, two bracers on his arms, two armbands on his biceps, and bracers on his legs, all completley full of strength, going under the train, tapping all of it, and lifting the train off the ground on his shoulders, moving it the however many feat to the track, and letting it back down, nearly draining all his Strength reserves doing it. I think it could be a good prologue to the story, to show where he's going to be, then the rest of the story shows how he got there. Train cars weigh upwards of 285,000 lbs. The average man who spends 3 months weight training can dead lift 285 lbs. That means he'd have to be literally 1,000 times the strength of an average man for those few moments. That seems a little outside what Feruchemy can do, given that there's some degredation of power as you tap too much. I mean, there is a part of me that says it should be possible with Compounding, and with using Allomantic Strength rather than regular Strength, so the muscles don't get as big. Perhaps, if he had a Nicroburst ally around to help him? A way to get around that degredation of power that comes when tapping too much? I just want an enormous feat of strength that boggles the mind as an introduction to this power. Wax knocked down an entire building because he made himself heavier than the building and then pushed on the nails, and that was without Compounding. Miles ate a grenade and walked away from it a moment later. Bleeder moved so fast that a Speed Bubble looked like it was moving at the same speed. And when Sazed fought the Koloss, regular Feruchemical Pewter turned a bookworm scholar into a force that could kill dozens of Koloss with a single punch each. I feel like something like this is within the perameters of what Brandon has written, I just want y'all opinion before I go forward with it.

I’ve always hated the WOB that says a Mistborn would be better sneaking around and assassinating than on the battlefield when half the battles in Well of Ascension and Hero of Ages showed Mistborn dominating on the battlefield. Wax Vs Kal, Kal would probably win, but a grenade launcher is still a grenade launcher. Hit the armor dead on and it will crack. Wax is also good enough to hit a bullet mid flight to deflect it just right to hit an enemy in the head when they’re hiding behind someone. If he manages to get a shot in Kal’s Visor, it’ll just rattle around inside the helmet for a while, then you just keep shooting until they die. But that is an extremely small chance of happening. So probably Kal.

We need to have a system in place to make determinations. Perhaps a vote? Much of what people want to do is based on speculation. Even my own, creating Nightblood, is based on speculation. We know it took someone with the 9th heightening, at least, and uses Ruin’s Investiture somehow, but literally nothing else. So I assume as a world hopper I can make something similar with the 9th Heightening and a 3rd Oath Bondsmith. I mean, Vasher killed Shashara because she might reveal the secret, which means it is a repeatable experiment. Brandon made a comment that had Lightsong not healed The God King, Vivenna’s father would have gotten the secret to making Nightblood from Yesteel and had an army of them. To me, that’s enough justification for it to work. But then there’s other I Win buttons, like infinite Fortune or the freaking Dawnshards. We don’t even know the slightest bit of what Dawnshards can do. Other than they were used to break God. So I propose that when someone wants something like Nightblood, or says Fortune works a specific way, we put it to a vote, and work to make a specific answer. For example. I say I can make Nightblood, or something on par with it (with, perhaps, different abilities, but on par). There was some question on whether or not it would be possible. So let’s put it to a vote. 1. I can straight make a Copy of Nightblood 2. I can Awaken a Sword, but it’s basically a Shardblade that can’t shapeshift 3. I can Awaken a Sword, but it can’t stand up to a Shardblade. I’ve given my justification for 1. I can accept 2 pretty well, as Vivenna’s Shardblade seemed every bit as deadly as a regular Shardblade. If y’all vote for 3, I would disagree but I will bow to the will of the group.

I'm pretty sure that's not how that would work. The sword would be outside your ability to affect. Even a Shard who was able to see a million times further than Terevangian on his best day couldn't see where it was or manipulate factors to make sure it wasn't anywhere near him. Some things just can't be affected by Fortune. And while I like the concept, I'm pretty sure that's not how Chromium works, anyway. It feels a lot more likely that "Fortune" is a misnomer. It's a coloquialism for what the people THINK is happening. When gaining Fortune, things seem to work out for a person. They step in the right place, say the right thing, and coincidence seems to happen a lot. Oh, look, I'm at the store right when there's a sale on apples, and I was just thinking how I really wanted apples. That kind of thing. But I think what is happening has nothing to do with "Fortune". It has to do with being able to tap the Spiritual Realm, where all things are happening at once. Your subconscious, the part of you that is touching the Spiritual Realm, knows that there's going to be a sale on apples, so it makes sure you are there when it happens. It looks for all intents and purposes that you had "good luck" getting to the store during the sale. But all it did was move you to where you could get cheap apples. It didn't create the sale itself. You tapping Fortune wouldn't reach out into the Cosemere and convince the apple salesman to put apples on sale. But there are things Fortune cannot see, like Renarin and Nightblood. No, we don't know why Nightblood is the way he is, but as I've said, with the powers of a 3rd lvl Bondsmith mixed with the 9th Heightening's instinctive Awakening, I'm sure I can figure out a means of doing it without it killing me. It is not out of the realm of possibility. So my Nightblood Variant, let's call it Dusklight, is invisible to your Fortune effects, and so your ability to know what to do and when won't account for it.

Kinda like I was the first one to think of grabbing a Nightblood variant. Nightblood can't be seen by Fotune, so it stands to reason mine can't either. My Nightblood eats your Fortune.

I still like my answer from before. I'm a Returned (5) with the 9th Heightening (400), a 3rd Oath Bondsmith bound to the Nightwatcher (300). I am a Double Steel Twinborn (24) with a Medallion granting both A-Iron and F-Iron (24), and a Hemalurgic Spike granting Duralumin (12). I can Forge, which should be interesting with my power over Connection. I also have a full Soulcaster and I ride a Larkin. And I use my Awakening to Awaken a Nighblood blade. Not specifically Nightblood, but something on par. I'm sure combining the abilities of a Bondsmith with a 9th Heightening Awakener who can Awaken on instinct should be enough to do such a thing. Near infinite speed from Steel Compounding, Awakened armor with Wakened spiked chains, a Larkin mount, and yeah. I'm pretty confident in my ability to take on just about anything.

The only thing there is that you can tap all of your metalmind at once anyway, so adding Duralumin wouldn't do anything. Remember, Duralumin doesn't actually give you MORE power, it just allows you to burn ALL of the metal at once, gaining all of the power at once. Feruchemists can already do that. Now, it might still do that, but then it's just forcing you to use up all your metalmind instead of you just tapping it. Same result, different process.

Wonderful questions! there are a couple ways I can see it happening. 1. It might be possible to differentiate between muscle strength and the strength provided by Allomancy. If that’s the case, then what you’re storing is Allomantic, Magic strength. Your muscles don’t get smaller when you store or bigger when you tap. It’s just strength. 2. You do get smaller when storing and bigger when tapping while burning AP. However, you are getting 2-4 times the bang for your buck. Compound that, and yes, you get bigger when tapping, but no where near as big. So, if you were tapping a regular Pewtermind with regular strength and you yourself to the size of Arnold in his Mr. Universe days, and then did the same with a Pewtermind filled with Allomantic Pewter, then the second would be the same SIZE as the first, but exponentially stronger. You’d have to draw out that much more Strength to do it, though. So you won’t want to make yourself that big. You can get the benefit without it. The second option mitigates the downside of tapping Pewter, while the first negates it altogether. I think that it would be POSSIBLE to do the first, but it would take the right Intent. I think the second would be the default, kind of like steel pushing on a bullet. The default is to just push on the whole bullet, but with the right intent you can isolate it into it’s different parts.

Hmm. Perhaps that would be the Resonance, then. See, my theory was always that you could store the excess strength given off by Allomancy, which doesn’t increase muscle size, thereby gaining the strength but without the downside. But if “strength” includes “durability” for a Pewter Twinborn, then you’d also gain the increase in resistance to damage, the way Vin was able to crush a man’s head with her own, and only suffer a slight headache whereas the man suffered…somewhat more, lol. That would be incredibly useful. And yeah, I know “it’s my story so I can do what I want”, but I do want to stick as close to the lore as I can. I might play a TEENY bit loose with some things not mentioned, like how snapping works and whatnot, but I’d rather not go too far abroad. Being able to pull the majority of his Strength out at once in order to stop a bullet from killing him now and then would make for some interesting scenes, but I’ll probably make it so the bullets still penetrate, they just only go in an ainch or two before stopping. And I will be reworking the family. I did like the idea of having Twinborn, Ferrings and Mistings who had useless powers, but they don’t have to be in his family. I’ve got an idea for a Twinborn who had A-Duralumin and F-Zinc. Basically, a fairly useful Feruchemical power, but their Allomancy is pointless. I figure there’s be shame in that, but mixed with a desire to have pride in it. I mean, they’re Twinborn! So few people are Twinborn! It’s not their fault they can’t DO anything with it. But I figure someone like that would be awfully tempted by Hemalurgy. Grab a spike granting allomancy, and all of a sudden they’ve got Duralumin enhanced abilities. Might make a good villain, eventually. Someone who’s hunting Mistings and Ferrings to take their abilities.

I've been writing for nearly twenty years, and have done a ton of research and study on stories and plotting and whatnot. I've got three books behind me, and a number of short stories. I even won a few short story contests, not that that matters much. My main issue is just sitting down and writing. I seem to have lost my followthrough somewhere along the way. You are 100% right, and I had completely forgotten that fact. I will reevaluate. Thank you! That's just the stuff I'm looking for. I wouldn't look to body builders for this, as they are working to increase size, and if strength, then strength to do one parituclar type of lift. I was thinking more like marines, who do body hardening exercieses so they can withstand stronger hits. I knew a marine who did that, anyway. If you contract the muscle, and your muscle is strong enough, then when something hits it, it doesn't hurt as much as it would if the muscle were loose. I can tighten my abs and take a punch, but if they were loose I'd get the wind knocked out of me. I'm assuming the same kind of thing would work for a bullet. Yes, real people can't do this, but if you could pull an infinite amount of strength, then the muscle fibers should, at some point, become strong enough to resist the bullet. My main question is, at what point would that happen. To be honest, I probably will just go with "He'll have to pull all his strength out and flex every muscle as hard as he can to withstand a bullet, and it'll only last a few seconds", just so there's a cool ability with a huge limitation. But we are dealing with Magic here. Wax can knock down a building all on his lonesome. Miles can eat a grenade and walk away a few moments later. Strengthening your muscles to the point where a bullet would only penetrate the skin isn't outside the realm of possibility.

That's kind of how I viewed it. I can imagine every kid going out into the Mists every time it shows, hoping they'll get a power. Even the kids who have no Allomantic blood, just hoping that somewhere in their family tree is a secret allomancer no one knows about! And the disappointment, and eventual resignation, when they don't. I can also imagine this being double for anyone who has Feruchemical powers, hoping to be a Twinborn. We know that Wax snapped before he was 12, but I kind of want this kid to be a late bloomer. One who didn't snap until he was, like, 15 or 16. By that point, he's already given up the idea of snapping. That way, it can be dramatic. If anyone wants to do the math, that would be great. Otherwise, I'll probably just leave the math out of it and have it be an all or nothing deal. He's about to get shot up, and he draws ALL his strength for a few moments, and during those few moments, he's bullet proof, and after, he has little or no strength left. It gives a great ability to a clear limit. It only works for a few short seconds, and then he's left near helpless, and has to spend a day compounding a ton to get his Strength reserves back. But if there IS some math that says "Oh, when the muscles are x stronger, they can stop a bullet", then I'm all ears! The Terris might be more discriminatory than others, judging by Wax's grandma, but yeah, that's kind of how I was thinking. THAT's an interesting idea. Selective strength growth. Probably something he'd learn down the line, but that's very interesting.

I'm an amateur writer. Never been published, but I've written a few books. None are polished enough to let anyone read, but I've written them. Anywho, I haven't written Fan Fiction since I was 16 years old way back in 2003. I didn't even know fan fiction was a thing. I just loved the storylines in the Megaman X games so much, I wanted it to be in a written form. So I wrote a bunch of them. And then we finally got reliable internet and I found out that Fan FIction is this whole thing and a million people had written stories exacly like mine. Kinda killed the mood for me. I realized I'd never be able to sell any of it, so what was the point? Made more sense to write something original. And I have. I just never truly finish anything. And over the last few years just getting myself to sit down and write has become a chore. I never stop coming up with new ideas and rolling them over in my head until they make sense, but I never actually write anything. So I'm trying to find the fun in writing again. And I decided, maybe I could dip my finger in some Fan Fiction. Part of the reason I never get started writing is because I'm world building so much. I have over two dozen settings, complete with their own magic systems and political climates and all kinds of stuff, but I never get to the story. Well, if I do some Fan Fiction, I can skip all that and just go to the story. So I've decided to write a Fan Fiction set on Scadrial, in the second era of the Mistborn Series. The Main Character will be a Twinborn, double Pewter, because I want to explore what that means. I'm in the process of developing his backstory, but I do know I want him to be a Lawman in the Roughs. That's what interests me about Wax, and I'd like to explore that, though he doesn't start there. Here's what I have so far. I want him to be more middle class. We've had Wax, a noble, and Wayne, an urchin. I'd rather explore what it means for a working/middle class family to have a Twinborn child, and who he becomes. I actually plan for him to have a number of siblings, at least one of which is a Twinborn with a useless Allomantic ability (I'm thinking A-Duralumin/F-Zinc), and maybe ferrings/mistings as well. I want to see some of the less used abilities, and making his sibling a Twinborn, but one ability is useless, could provide a good dichotomy to a Compounder of one of the more potent metals. His Father is a Copper Ferring and a record keeper or accountant or something similar, and I'm thinking his mother is a Soother. I figure any Allomancer/Feruchemist will be very marketable in Elendel, so even if they aren't nobility, they should be fairly well off, but they would also be working class. Their options are wider than others, but they do have to work. The main character's name will be Hank Sterling, and before he came in to his power, he was a thin, scrawny kid. Even as he grew up, he was the kind of kid that could never seem to keep any weight on him, no matter how much he ate. I've known some people like that, and I envy them. He'll come in to his Feruchemy first, and that's great, cause he can make himself jacked! Except he's already scrawny, so saving enough Strength to bulk up for ANY length of time is a chore. I'm thinking his Allomantic power Snaps later than most, and so he thinks he's just a Pewter Feruchemist until he's a teenager, and then he snaps at an appropriately dramatic moment and oh my goodness, his metals match! Should make an interesting story. I do have some questions I think the hive mind might know better than me. It's fan fiction, but I do want to be as accurate as possible. I don't want it to be just wish fulfillment with a Gary Stu. 1. Snapping. How does it work in Era 2? I know the Mist snaps you, but at what age? And what are the side effects? I assume it's similar to what it did in Era 1, just more gentle. And does your Feruchemy also Snap at the same time, or is that something seperate? 2. Bulletproof. First, assume that he can compound his Allomantic Pewter strength so can grow strong without increasing his muscle size. How strong would human muscle need to be to block a bullet? I know this isn't possible no matter how strong it is for a normal person, and I know that Pewterminds store Strength, not Durability, but my thought process is that if a person were strong enough to lift a train car, then hitting them with a hammer while hulked out isn't going to do much. The muscle would be strong enough to resist being torn or moved. LIkewise, at some point the muscle fibers should be strong enough to stop a bullet, right? I imagine he would blow through the vast majority of his stored strength doing so, as he wouldn't have access to infinite strength at the moment, just be able to completely fill extremely large metalminds, but it should be possible, shouldn't it? 3. Family. I'd assume in a setting like Elendel, having a known Allomancer marry a known Feruchemist and have a number of children would be, like, news, even if they aren't nobility. In fact I'd imagine it would be encouraged. But we don't really get that from the books. Wax' Uncle seemed intent on ignoring the fact that Wax was part Terris. Like there is some discrimination between them. And most Terris seem to stick to themselves, away from everyone else, though obviously not all. How would Elendel society treat them? 4. Resonence. What resonence would twin pewter have? I know these are subtle, but supposedly every time someone combines the powers, there's a resonence of some kind. I don't know if there's any answers to these questions in the books, but I thought the Hive mind might know more than me. I'll probably post what I write in the Fan Art section of this site, if anyone's interested. Once I get an idea of how the plot should go.

My assumption was that Hoid keeps just enough Breaths to HAVE perfect pitch, so that if someone messes with them, he will know. However, at the moment, he just thinks something is messing with his perfect pitch. There's a lot wrong about what's going on, but by the end of the epilogue, he hasn't caught on yet. Something is messing with his perfect pitch. Design is gone. His audience is gone. All that is weird. I think it'll be later, when his Perfect Pitch doesn't come back, when he examines how many Breaths he has, that he will realize that Odium must have taken his Breaths. At the same time, he can deduce that Rayse wouldn't have thought of that, and wonder why Odium would do such a thing. What happened in that original conversation that Odium didn't want to be known? Particularly since the second conversation went exactly as expected...

Well, what do you mean about 10 hours? Is that 10 hours of double attribute? So they can be twice as strong/fast/etc for 10 hours? If that's the case, the Feruchemist wins, hands down. If you can move at double speed for 10 hours, then you can move at 4x speed for 5 hours, 8x speed for 2.5, 16x speed for 1.25, 32x speed for .625, and 64x speed for .3125, which is just under 20 minutes. So for 20 minutes, you're moving 64x as fast as normal, with 64x as much strength (yes, i know there's a muscle growth cap), and thinking 64 times as fast as the Mistborn, along with a good bit of healing stored away. And that's just three attributes. There would ALMOST be no contest. Except for steelpushing and Ironpulling. If the Mistborn managed to get out of range of the Feruchemist, all the speed in the world won't help him. Just go Kel when he fought that Inquisitor. Never stop moving, in the air, out of reach, and keep throwing metal things at him until he stops moving and stops healing. The Feruchemist would likely run out of attribute before the Mistborn ran out of metals. And if he kicks up the metal debris enough, there wouldn't be any getting away from it. So basically, if in a Final Destination fight where they start opposite each other and someone says "Go!", then the Feruchemist will need to end it quickly. Tap all the Speed, as much Strength as he can, and rip the Mistborn's head off before he can jump away. Because if the Mistborn gets airborn, with enough metal on him, he's going to win.

Well look at the vision of the Recreance. The Knights lined up, in full armor, which they don't have to do, summoned their blades and dropped them. Then they walked off. They purposely found a place with a lot of soldiers, showed them their gear, and left it there for them. That was a deliberate act. And if the Spren considered it a sacrifice, as Maya did...

I did a write up a few times comparing these, and used Internal/External and Push/Pull, with the same basic categories. Here's what I figured the last time I did it: Physical Honor - Internal Pushing - I Bind myself Autonomy - External Pushing - I Unbind Myself Dominion - External Pulling - I Bind Others to me Devotion - Internal Pulling - I Bind Myself to Others Mental Odium - External Pushing - I hate Whimsy? - Internal Pulling - I don't care Wisdom/Prudence? - External Pulling - Wisdom. I Understand Valor - Internal Pushing - I do what is right Enhancement Endowment - Internal Pushing - I grow others' power Ambition - Internal Pulling - I grow my power Mercy - External Pulling - I withhold what you deserve Justice? - External Pushing - I give what you deserve Temporal Ruin - External Pushing - Entropy. All Things Decay Cultivation - External Pushing - Growth. All Things Grow Invention - Internal Pushing - Change. I make things change Preservation - Internal Pulling - Inertia. I keep things the same Some of the Internal/External labelings don't quite fit, but that could be because I am misundertstanding how they function. Justice is what I called the Unnamed Shard, assuming Wisdom was another, but I don't read anything regarding the Secret Projects because I want to read them when they come out. I put Invention with Preservation, because it is about changing things. Not decaying or making it grow, but just changing, whereas Preservation is about staying the same. It seems, though, that most people agree on three of the Temporal Shards. Endowment, to me, belongs with Ambition. Endowment is about letting others gain power, Ambition would be about one's own power. I put Mercy here because it is almost the oposite of Endowment. Mercy is all about not giving what you deserve, whereas Endowment is giving what you don't deserve. Ambition could be construed as taking what I deserve, and that last Shard, which I called Justice, would be about giving what you diserve. The Mental Shards are hard. Originally I thought Hate was the Opposite of Love and had Devotion here, but then I realized that Whimsy is the Opposite of Passsion. Odium's opposite isn't more passion, it's less, which is Whimsy. As for Valor being here, I'm not confident about that. It depends on whether Wisdom is acutally the other shard that belongs here. Valor could maybe replace "Justice" on my table. I just don't know enough about Valor to know where it goes.

Misting Feruchemist, as most here. And Pewter. And I'll tell you why. Steel is a very, very close second. Those two, Pewter and Steel, are my main draws to Allomancy. But I'd go with Pewter for these reasons: Gold, Steel, Pewter, Tin. 1. Burning Pewter, you compound Strength, and you can compound the Allomantic Strength, not the strength in your muscles. This means you can compound strength that doesn't make your muscles grow when you tap it. So you can actually have the infinite strength, without the downside of getting so big you can't move. 2. By compounding normal strength, you get a limitless reserve of bigger muscles. You can basically sculpt your body to be the perfect beach bod at all times. No exercise needed. 3. Gold. Pewter helps with healing. So burn Pewter, put the extra healing in a Gold mind, no getting sick. All the benefits, none of the drawbacks. 4. Steel. Same as gold. Pewter grants extra speed, and when it comes to all out sprints, it is a LOT, as shown in a previous thread. Vin could move faster than a galloping horse. Just store that extra speed while burning pewter, and you don't have to be slow. 5. Tin. I know Pewter doesn't help with senses, but it does grant a better sense of balance, which can be stored with Tin. So basically, just burn pewter all day long, power storing your attributes. You'll move normal and feel normal while burning, but you're storing up the unused Pewter abilites for later. And you always have the perfect beach bod and have as much strength as you need in the moment to do literally anything. Need to lift a car off the road? Tap Strength. Need to break down a brick wall? Tap Strength. Accidentally got caught on a train track and here comes the train? Tap Strength. Tap all the strength. And don't give me this "Pewter grants strength not toughness" crap. If your muscles are strong enough to lift the train and crush it into a tiny ball with your bare hands, they're strong enough to withstand getting hit by one. Plus, you'd have all the other Feruchemical abilities, all of which make life just that much easier.

Sweet! Here were my choices. Allomancy: No real suprises here. I picked: Pewter - Duh. Too many reasons. Storing strength isn't as good unless compounding. Steel - I like flying. I like the idea of pushing things with my mind. It's just cool. Speed would be great, but nah. I'd rather fly. Brass - I'd rather sooth than riot, and the whole warmth thing doesn't interest me. I don't think soothing is unethical, as long as it's done right. It isn't any more unethical than a Pewterarm using his strength to force someone to do what they want. Just don't force people to do what you want. But if I could help ease people's suffering, or aleviate their fears or anxieties, that would be amazing. I'd hire a Soother to follow me around and just sooth my anxiety or doubts or depression away all the time. Cadmium - Honestly, with Pewter I don't think there's a reason to do the Breath thing. You can already run forever. No need to super oxygenate your blood. And I don't have to wait for things. Just skip to the good parts. On a side note, use this a lot, in conjunction with Wakefulness, and you will live a lot longer than everyone around you. Not relatively, but time will pass faster for everyone else. That's it for Allomancy. The rest is Feruchemy. Tin - Better than Allomantic tin, because you can dampen your senses, too. Cut your hearing if something is too loud, cut your sense of smell if it stinks too much, just wear glasses when storing sight. Honestly, I'd just store sight all the time and always wear my glasses, until the tin mind is full. You can even dull pain and whatnot with it. It's just extremely useful for both storing and tapping. Iron - This was one of the iffy ones for me. In the end, I chose Feruchemy because storing a bit of weight at all times can be useful, and there's the whole "it doesn't matter how high I fly, I can just float to the ground" thing. I would totally go jumping out of airplanes without a parachut just for the lulz. Copper - My memory isn't all that great, so being able to have perfect recall on things would be awesome. Plus, be able to quickly memorize a book on any subject and call up the info whenever you want. Memorize a graph of mathematical formulas and always have the answer readily available. Bronze - Wakefulness. Yeah. Sleep whenever I want. Wake whenever I want. I mean, technically, couldn't you just store this every night? Maybe make a makeshift alarm that pulls the metalmind from you when its time to wake up? I don't know, but I like that better than Seeking. Zinc - No interest in Rioting, but being able to think faster would be useful. Aluminum - No real alomantic use, possible feruchemical one. Duralumin - Meh, super boost is great, but I'd want to see what could be done with Connection. Chromium - Fortune is fun. Nicrosil - I have no interest in Necrobursts. Not sure what I can do with this, but if I can figure out how to make medallions, then that's a money maker, right there. Gold - Healing better than Augury. Healing + Pewter even better. Electrum - Determination better than seeing myself fall on my face in a few seconds. Bendalloy - This was the other one that I was iffy on. In the end, being able to slide was just not quite as good as alwyas having the exact number of calories I need in a day, no matter how much I eat. Go to Golden Corral for an evening, eat everything in the restaurant, and just store everything but a single meal's worth. Never have to worry about getting fat. Drink an entire barrel of water every morning to completely fill a bendalloymind, and never have to worry about being properly hydrated. I think it would be very good for my health.

It was my theory that the recreance happened because the Knights and Spren sat down together and discussed the dangers of continuing to do what they were doing vs not having a defense against a possible new Desolation. I think they decided that it was too dangerous to keep going, but the Spren volunteered to stay behind as Shards for the people. They were summoned to the physical realm, then the Knights broke the bond, thus trapping them in the physical realm. It was a sacrifice. It was so the people would still have weapons that could fight the Fused. But they didn't know about Deadeyes. They thought it would hurt. They had surely had people break oaths before. But after BAM was gone, it didn't just hurt them. It wasn't just a quick snap and then they'd recover. It ripped out part of their consciousness. I mena, Spren in the phsyical realm keep their consciousness through their bond with Radiants. These spren are LOCKED in the physical realm, even if they can go back to the CR when unsummoned. But the people didn't know about dismissing blades for decades, or even centuries, after the Recreance. So they were locked in the PR, with no bond to keep their minds intact. Maybe they didn't need the bond to keep their minds in the PR before BAM was captured? And Spren aren't in the CR when they're in Blade form. And so nobody knew what had happened to them. Everyone just knew "Oh, the Radiant Spren decided to stay in the PR." And then they started appearing. Can you imagine? Maya's old friend, another Cultivation Spren maybe, hasn't seen Maya in a couple centuries. That girl went off to be a Radiant Spren, then decided to stay behind as a blade. Oh well. That's her choice. Then Poof, there's Maya, back because her owner figured out how to dismiss her. Only HER EYES ARE GONE. And she can't think. And can't function. And just follows her bonded human around in the CR. How freaky that must have been.

Sure, but at the most that would simply double the enemy's numbers. They only have one breath per person. Even if they brought a crap ton of Breaths from home, there's still a limited stock. And making a lifeless uses up the Breath. It can't come back at that point. Not a lot of wealthy people with the 5th heightening will want to lose their immortality just so someone else can win a war on a distant world.

If the 'war' or 'invasion' lasted any length of time, as Intel gets in regarsing how this stuff works, as we pick up Spheres of Stormlight and catch Mistings and Ferrings and interrogate them as to how their powers work, we'd wind up finding ways to duplicate it, or at the very least block it. Blocking Investiture is pretty easy, actually. Just make Aluminum. Lots of it. And you don't even need to make everything out of it. Just aluminum foil works. it's in every household. It isn't expensive to make. how long before we weaponize it? Our understanding of science is too far beyond the cosemere, and their understanding of their own magics isn't far enough along to counter it. We can split the atom. Think about that. We can split the atom ON PURPOSE. Yes, Scadrial can split harmonion and accomplish something similar, but it was an accident and requires an extremely limited material to do so. We can do it and power our cities with it. We have interlinked forms of communication so vast and integrated with society that a bunch of fans of an author's work can all visit and argue with each other over theoratical, fictional physics, from the quiet of their own homes on little screens that glow with an inner light. I can call someone on the other side of the world and talk to them in real time with no discernable delay. Roshar has spanreads. Oh joy.

I didn't actually know about that WoB. That makes it make even MORE sense.