Oltux72

The Bands require you to have Nicrosil. That means you need Nickel and Chrome. Metals the Final Empire did not know. This needs a serious industrial base. Hence I very much doubt they were available during the lifetime of immediate survivors. They may have gotten new Ferrings through the collateral lines. But you have to find them. That means you have to seek out possible candidates and ask them to store stuff in hard to make metals. Consider what aluminium alone still cost in the time of Alloy of Law. And they need enough metal minds of even more exotic stuff to test thousands of people decades or centuries earlier, depending on when exactly the Bands were made.

The Allomancers are not the problem. The feruchemical parts of the Bands are the issue.

We do not know. Neither would an attacker. That suggests that you are missing a category of analysis indicating the quality and quantity of intelligence an attacker could gather.

Yes. So you have a nation that is hostile towards another nation on a different continent, yet none of them uses its navy to seek island bases in the ocean to fight the other nation from? Why?

Because if you attack Threnody, whom will you fight against? The Threnodites? The Threnodites and the Shades? The Threnodites, the Shades and the Evil? That is if you decide to only invade the Forests of Hell and the Evil decides that it is not OK with an alien beachhead on its world even on another continent and comes to fight you, your war plans have just been seriously derailed.

The metals known and producible in the Final Empire. To make the Bands you'd need Bendalloy, Chromium, Nicrosil, Duraluminium and Aluminium in the quantities that allow you to test the population.

I am afraid not. It would take metals that had an astronomical cost at that time to identify the Ferrings.

And that is a deeply problematic explanation. The more human peoples you add, the less likely is that none of them is nautically inclined. So I think it is likely that the factor we are not getting is not human, or at least not fully human as seen in full Koloss.

That is true for the human Threnodites who fled from the Evil. We have no idea how sapient the Evil is and what become of the people staying on the old continent. And that is the major problem of the rest of the analysis. Provided it was developed there. For all we know it was made in Silverlight. They mistook Kelsier for a Shade. Now we do not know how a Shade looks in Shadesmar, but there is a very good chance Threnody before the Evil had other Shades than current THrenody.

They wanted to hide, at least their ancestors wanted. And it is inland. I am afraid I have to point out that the first circumnavigation of the Earth happened centuries before, for example, the sources of Nile were scientifically explored and published. Which real world mile? Why not nautical miles or the Scadrian equivalent? Yes, Scadrial is an analogue to Earth. But the Earth is larger than peoples using customary British units. Do we know into how many hours the Scadrians split their day? I am already hard pressed to accept one people who are abyssimally bad at seafaring. Yet another? Indeed.

Yes, so I think Scadrial is a lot farther out from its star, respectively that star is dimmer than our sun. We should also note that Scadrial seems to have a lot less land than the Earth, unless there are even more unknown continents. That should make ocean currents more effective in heat transport and storms not broken up by any land over three quarters of a planet should be fantastic. Brandon has a thing for storms. I do not want to live on an east coast on Scadrial. The implicit assumption being here that major warmer places exist on the planet. If Elendel is what you get in the wet tropics, I'll not bet on that. We might assume that the oceans of Scadrial are a bit rougher than ours. In fact Scadrial seems to be on a different period of the supercontinent cycle. And in general has less continental crust. I'd argue that it s too cold for that. Do we? They are separated from the ocean by substantial mountain ranges. We'd expect them to show climate a lot more continental. Thus the extremes of warmth will be above the Basin's. But that does not make them warmer over all. Colonists in North America in 1600 - a few hundred Colonists of North America in 1900 - annexing islands in the Pacific and East Asia The thing is that they have explorers and they do feature in popular culture. And they are mining the Roughs, transporting ores by rail. Shipping the would be a lot cheaper. That is more or less the opposites of what we've seen in history. The countries with most wars sent out out most explorers. Cook, La Perouse, Bougainville, Drake ... By this point I think we need additional parties to explain this. If I may propose Sea monsters - there must be a reason the Malwish went for airships in a big way Koloss - we may be drastically underestimating the number of Koloss. Voyages between North and South over land may run into culinary difficulties. With ordinary people no longer at the food chain's apex the unknown metal constructs mentioned in one of the broadsheets of The Bands of Mourning. Travellers may meet entities that do not want to be met and reported on

Optimist. They are all dead but Sigzil. Now you can be sad.

It snows there. Not a lot, but it does. How high are the mountains where the Bands were kept supposed to be to have that harsh a climate? Why do their houses have fireplaces? And they are wearing suits and vests? In what is geographically speaking Dakar? Marasi was buying locally grown apples. In central Africa?

I would doubt that. It is quite clear that the Surges are original to the Rosharan system. Whatever the human immigrants to Ashyn had, it probably wasn't Surgebinding. It was some other system. Yes, the Eila Stele spoke of Surges. But that is meaningless. They knew nothing else. No. We have seen this music method of using the Surges the Singers are still using. And there is obviously the Stormfather. And we have no idea how old Regals are. And, obviously, the Singers and animals of Roshar themselves. The reduction of mass Chasmfiends and other animals show must be old.

Where would they go? The gas giants? It seems to me that a driving force behind our space programmes was the existance of the moon. Scadrians by now know that other worlds are inhabitated. For them it is FTL or they will at best use a few staellites.

Yes, I need to conclude that Scadrial is in a wider orbit than the Earth. And that raises the point why they still have seasons in the Basin. Axial tilt must be extreme.

I am afraid I need to remind you that the original method to access Surgebinding were the Honorblades and that the Heralds had bodies with magical capabilities long before Spren were involved.

Does that tell us much? If Odium can make you a Surgebinder, we must assume that Bavadin can make you a Sandmaster. That is usable for combat.

The problem I have with that is that I do not understand how one the greatest Tineyes would let an amateur teenage assassin surprise him.

Brandon was oddly specific. He said that safe for Hoid nobody with a bond to a Spren got off Roshar with his powers intact. That leaves two loopholes unbonded Spren breaking your powers by leaving (Secret Project #4) I must also note that an unbonded Spren for some reason leaving Roshar's astral has a much greater incentive to bond. There are no Spren cities on other astrals. You'd be at best an exile among aliens. At worst you'd sit alone on bare rock. What we saw from Scadrial's astral in Secret History was essentially a desolate wasteland. Granted, 347 years is a long time, but still whoever lives in the presumptive trade posts that must exist for canned food to go over the mists replacing land, it won't be Rosharan Spren.

But they would have a need for them. Nukes were. Nuclear fission and fusion were not. As soon as you know about fission you can predict that a nuclear bomb is possible. That is exactly what scientists did in 1941. They are at a stage where they already have the technology to build a mass spectrometer. They already know or will very soon know about isotopes. If you have a cyclotron, which they can build, you can build a fusor. And then at the latest you will discover free neutrons. And there we go. Yes, science and technology can progress at different paths or speeds, but not totally independently. So you can delay nukes by a few decades. But not forever.

They are, but they are not bonded. If you are a Knight Radiant, the Surges you wield do not come second hand from your Spren. Sylphrena, for example, cannot lash objects to transport them or turn herself into a blade. Your spiritweb is altered in a way that allows you to use Surges and other powers. Yet there are also Spren who have other powers of their own. That is, even if you are willing to explain away the Fused as a bond to Odium, there are unbonded entities that have powers.

Yes, so we have more options both champions die it becomes impossible to fulfill the terms (for example Urithiru no longer exists) one side sends somebody who can technically not die, for example a robot - though that may be cheating

Brandon confirmed that Sixteen is from Scadrial. And he is human according to the Honorspren. So what is he? One of Rashek's predecessors a Kandra Spook a random worldhopping Mistborn from The Final Empire one of Rashek's descendants Him not consuming food or producing wastes pretty much precludes somebody without arcane powers. Yet I do not see anybody on that list let Shallan surprise him. Or in case of a Kandra, draw so much attention.

I am sorry, but that is just factually incorrect the Stormfather the Voidspren acting as Seekers Urithiru Midnight Mother