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4 hours ago, Govir said:

Oh yeah, I immediately latched onto "flew into the air" (which I can't easily double check that was the phrase, because audiobook), and to me steelpushing isn't flying (it's falling, with style).

Surgebinders twist gravity. They are literally falling. A Steelpusher will have to move in a series of ballistic arcs. A Surgebinder need not do that. But they can. Just their speed profile will look differenrly. And obviously they don't need coins. But equally obviously they can drop one for show.

40 minutes ago, IndigoAjah said:

Isn't she also not a person-focussed person, unless she's actively trying to be?

My experience with both myself and other people on the autistic spectrum is that it's a relatively common trait to not pick up social cues but also notice personal differences when something else is there to focus attention on.

That takes specialised knowledge to answer. Factually I have to point out that she noticed the symbol.

35 minutes ago, Milk said:

That would be the case if they were all Rosharan. I think it's more likely that only one of them is a full Radiant—who doesn't even need to be a Rosharan—and the rest are squires. I doubt that the Ghostbloods got that many highspren to join.

Why? If the war on Roshar really ends with a victory of the Knights Radiant, the Highspren fighting on the other side may have a problem. And if you are really forced into exile as a spren, you have a problem. Other subastrals do not have large communities of sapient cognitive entities. Nor do they get a supply of Stormlight to manifest stuff from traders next door. If you want to live in civilization and stay sapient, it means bonding.

11 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

 When?  I don't  Ever recall anyone doing that in stormlight?

The Fused. Meridas Amaram.

On 17.11.2022 at 7:37 PM, robardin said:

...well, maybe it's not so unrealistic for eight refugee Skybreakers from Roshar, heretofore without their Surgebinding while adopting local identities in Elendel after joining the Ghostbloods, to show up and be able to fly without Stormlight glowing.

Unfortunately it would. One Rosharan, who might be short for a Rosharan, in a group would not be overly odd. Eight people with alien facial features and most over 2m tall in a group? You might just as well wearing a sign claiming to be foreign. Steris is not stupid.

13 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

You're taking that out of context, You go back He explains that he needs to reach "them"  The them in the conversation is specifically  Is potential allies against autonomy.  She is his main concern he never mentions odium.

They are facing two related but distinct problems

1. Autonomy is attacking so they need allies
2. Something is wrong in Shadesmar

Yes, they need allies and more allomancers. But the obvious way to reach allies is through Shadesmar. As Sazed states that, Kelsier objects. The first issues is obviously to be explained with Autonomy. The second isn't. If this were also Autonomy's doing, all the planets whose access she is blocking would be allies.

On 19.11.2022 at 8:15 AM, asmodeus said:

"Prasanva" is weird. As others have pointed out down below, one of the most straightforward ways to approach this is to take the "pra" as a prefix, and then deal with the rest of the word, "sanva" as one thing. This doesn't quite work, because while there's lots of similar words I can use for inspiration, nothing fits things completely. That, unfortunately, is also the problem if you don't go the whole "pra+sanva" route, so... yeah. There's... a possibility, that the break down is somehow "Pra + san/sam + va," with elements coming together such that you get "forward mountain and" but... I dislike that immensely, because we don't have "maahikva" after, we have "maahik va".

That problem'll vanish if you don't insist on those two "va" being the same. The second free standing "va" could be a contraction of iva.

14 hours ago, KandraAllomancer said:

The only reasonable option I see is that it was Autonomy's decision - people of Scadrial showed that they can counter her plots, and attacking them anyway would be acting against her Intent

That is pretty close to circular reasoning. They passed one test, so she does not test them fully? Then why send that army in the first place?

7 hours ago, Frustration said:

No narrative focus is put on this in TLM, so I wouldn't say that makes it worse as the end of an era.

After a whole book of the era is named after them?

7 hours ago, Frustration said:

You mean other than the Malwish trying to get the bands? Either way no narrative focus was put on that, so I fail to see how that makes TLM weaker. 

The Malwish knew about the manipulation.

On 18.11.2022 at 0:11 AM, Redbee said:

So I thought sanders retconned atium we know to actually be an electrum alloy but in the story and ars arcanum it still discuses it as pure atium. Was it just something he wanted to do but never did in the end? 

It would require the electrum to be created out of nothing when Waxillium split the Harmonium.

1 hour ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Also what do you define as a 'Magic System'?

Good, yet difficult question. A set of powers with similar ways of using them. That leaves open the question where you cut. But not whether an ability is a member of a system.

3 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

Yeah, she's called autonomy 

Not really:

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"We need a way to reach them."
"Shadesmar -"
"Is unreliable," Kelsier said "I know you're barely able to get the kandra out into the wider cosmere; it's untenable for large-scale travel. Besides, crossing it anymore is like walking into the hands of various gods who absolutely want us dead."

Now, you could interpret that like the geometry of Shadesmar itself is changing.

But multiple gods want you dead. And Roshar is one of those worlds. War is just the simplest explanation and you need multiple gods.

7 hours ago, Rg2045 said:

so that brings us to 20 give or take 1.

Under that premise you need to count each kind of Misting and Fering separately

7 hours ago, Rg2045 said:

 then there’s those magic fish, and the Larkin, and great shells, idk if that’s three or 1 or something else. And then there’s fabrials both slavery and voluntary fabrials. 
and possibly dancing magic in shinovar. 
the unmade. And possibly a cultivation magic system that we have yet to see.

• Surgebinding: Knights Radiant, Fused, Yelig Nar, some fabrials, (Singer rhythm magic?)
• Voidbinding: Renarin and other bondees of enlightened spren
• Regals
• Unmade (even Yelig Nar offers additional abilities - turning your body into crystal)
• abilities lesser spren offer: Rosharan animals & some fabrials
• Stormfather
• Urithiru or rather the Sibling
• possibly Cultivations ten abilities
• abilities of lesser voidspren: the detector voidspren
• Purelake fish
• Thunderclasts
• Sleepless
• Aimians
• Iriali
• Horneater magic

5 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

The Larkin's 'Investivore' abilities (their ability to feed on Investiture) and the Greatshells abnormal size is due to natural creatures adapting to a highly Invested environment. Like how plants and creatures in our world adapt to new environments to help with survival. Not quite magic, just nature being assisted by Investiture.

No. They clearly have a bond to luckspren. And on Scadrial you call the people who do the same thing Ferings.

10 hours ago, Lesser spren said:

I was wondering since Marasi didn't join the Ghostbloods, if she will find her own way into the cosmere. What do you guys think?

I think that the era of individual worldhoppers as we know it is coming to an end. Too many worlds have too much of a mass media, too unified a government and too ovious an alien influence to ignore the rest of the Cosmere as a topic for at least the general political elite. As soon as your queen's lover is a space alien from the dawn of time or aliens detonate a nuclear weapon in your extended harbor, it is time for some Lewis & Clarke style expeditions and diplomatic missions.

In the short run of course Scadrial.

But the longer I consider this the more pyrrhic that victory looks.

• Scadrial lost 1/3 of its Mistborn
• Scadrial had to use up hard to replace munitions
• Scadrial used up whatever if took Kelsier to make the men of gold and red turn around
• Harmony and his sword are permanently estranged to an extent
• Harmony has to sent his Kandra out to missions that do not immediately serve him
• Harmony and the Ghostbloods are at odds
• Harmony is doubting himself
• possibly this led to Scadrial being forced into an aggressive foreign policy that will have made reconcilliation with Roshar impossible

and it cost her:

• the remainder of an organization she had written off
• an army marches needlessly
• Investiture she gets back in the medium term

I cannot help myself. Team Scadrial are not looking good.

6 minutes ago, kenod said:

Possibly, but you could also make a case that it's more of a case of realpolitik. Medallions are the main edge the South has over the North, so you wouldn't want the more useful or powerful ones falling in the hands of the North. The ones we've seen are the medallions they need to stay alive, to actually fly their ships, and to talk to people, and none are a very big issue if they fall into the North's hands, unlike medallions like health or strength.

Or indeed internal regulation. The other medaillions are not for random civilians.

Let's cut straight to the heart of the matter. It took an extremely individualistic constable, whose statue the citizens of Elendel can go admire, to defend Scadrial against an alien god. After that will they still put their trust into Harmony? If not, what will they do? If gods wield the quivalent of nuclear weapons on your porch, athism will be unlikely to seem a good alternative.

So will we see a revival of activist Survivorism? Or, far fetched, Sliverism? Ideologically speaking you could point out that Rashek had sort of a point when he said that you need to break eggs to make omlette. And he kept Scadrial free of alien ship bombs.

Telsin is dead. Some scientists of the Set are dead. Their breeding programme has been disrupted. Most members, however, are alive and still affiliated with the Bilming government.

Will they simply vanish? If not, how will the Northerners deal with them? What will the Ghostbloods do? The Set still seems a lot more advanced than the rest of Scadrial in science and technology.

They had a weapon of mass destruction go off right next to their capital. The story of an alien invasion is kind of hard to surpress if it is that obvious. And it is an alien invasion. Marasi may keep quiet about the men in gold and red, but a lot of people too influential to just make disappear again know about it. So will we see a Scadrian equivalent of NASA charged with exploring Shadesmar? A military equivalent? An "astral force"? Intrepid adventurers searching the Southern Roughs for the perpendicularity?

3 hours ago, Kasimir said:

I'd agree, yeah. I don't know about Hemalurgy and social acceptance - if what @Kitch says comes to pass, i.e. there's a way to do it that minimises the negative externalities or at least pushes it to 'that group of people we don't care about' (Rosharan refugees, anyone? Mentioned because this was being speculated on.) then I am not sure that it wouldn't become more acceptable to your average Scadrian.

Criminals ...

Given Survivorist doctrine and Kelsier's views I cannot see how they would avoid hemalurgy as a part of the criminal justice system. In fact how would you justify that you can shoot somebody for a crime but not perform hemalurgy on them?

9 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said:

There not alarmed. They never once mention anything about been alarmed, there just frustrated that cognitive realm travel is impractical.  

Kelsier wants a space programme and a eugenics movement for a reason.

We see Marasi throw a time grenade on them and destroy the artificial perpendicularity. But that does not explain their withdrawl. It merely delays them and denies them their chosen route. Scadrial has at least one natural perpendicularity. They had a choice between just going home, which is a long march, and going to that perpendicularity, which is nearby. Kelsier implied to Harmony that he made them turn around. How? At first they did not have the people to deal with the crisis and a few weeks later they can win a battle in Shadesmar? What happened?

1 minute ago, bmcclure7 said:

 Why do you think it's all one thing. It seemed to me that they were talking about a series of local disasters in a number of systems. It was all caused by odium I think they would have said so. 

Because that would not alarm the Ghostbloods and lead Kelsier with centuries of experience to confront Harmony. The Ghostbloods know how to confront locally dangerous areas.  They have aviar. They get stuff from Threnody.. They have contact to Sel.

18 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

It's only human city in the realm and it is always sending out researchers every where I'm sure it's famous why not just ask the spen where it is?

They aren't. The market in Oathbringer featured many extraplanetary goods. None of it from Silverlight. Lasting Integrity had extraplanetary traders. They came from Nalthis. Riino's food came from Scadrial.

7 hours ago, Frustration said:

Interstellar space is virtually non-existent in the CR, and it's probably the largest populated area there I'd bet any native Cognitive entity could point you in the right direction. 

• Even interplanetary space took Kelsier many days to walk and he had no elderly, children or wounded and did not need to carry food.
• How would you talk to them? In which language?
• Why would they wish to talk to you?
• How could you trust them?

And then, obviously, why do you end up on a coast? MeLaan didn't meet them in interstellar space.

7 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

That feels like a leap to say that his army is going anywhere.  

Something is affecting large parts of Shadesmar. This is happening a few years after the True Desolation. What else would it be? Autonomy? If that is the proposal you need to explain why she is attacking both sides in the Rosharan war.

30 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said:

 Why would you think that odium's forces are on the March?

The temporal proximity to SA#5 is too close. And the voyages are still possible, but dangerous, And the blockages are arising within a relatively short time, but not simultaneously. It fits military activity.

37 minutes ago, Necessary Eagle said:

It was an unkeyed metalmind.

No. It was unsealed, otherwise Waxillium could not have used it. Granted we are not explicitly told that he is not a Feruchemist, but to explain that he could be a Feruchemist and yet the Bands would not work for him is difficult.