Silus - Shard of Flame

Remember, there's also the people who can Soulcast with Fabrials. They would be considered distinct from the Surgebinders. And look at Shallan's second ability, (and if you don't think this is magical then you're kidding yourself) her Memories that let her see the symbolheads. In the mugging scene, Jasnah is described as shooting bolts of stormlight lightning at the muggers, which really does not sound like Soulcasting to me. If these turn out to be separate powers, then they definitely fit with the pattern of two Surges makes an Order, with Shallan and Jasnah belonging to different, adjacent orders, the two that use Soulcasting.

Take that and increase that by about ten orders of magnitude. If that Shardbearer was the Almighty, then Kaladin, someone who, at that point, had no remarkable magical talent, would be going up against someone with the power of a GOD. Not a Splinter, not a Sliver, but a full blown SHARD. I refuse to believe that that would happen. The only way I could see it happening is if Honor lost his Shard, and the only way we've seen that happen is by dying. So no, it would not work. I agree that that scene definitely has relevance in what happens from here on, but I really doubt it's on a Shard level.

Oh, wow. Forget a board game, just go whole hog and make a Tabletop RPG. DANG.

So you're just providing a system? No story? That's really what makes an RP is the story over the mechanics of it. If you have a good story you can run a great RP even if you have sloppy mechanics, but it doesn't tend to work the other way. What you've got here is less than half of a game, I doubt someone's just gonna pick it up by itself. I could see this working maybe as the ruleset for a Mistborn board game, maybe. That would be awesome. EDIT: Also, you don't need to spread these over multiple posts. The character limit on these posts is either non-existent or ridiculously huge. Just look at the Form List in the Nexus Data Topic to see what I mean. That took up about four posts in the old system.

So we're both right?

I do see that problem. I don't completely agree, but I see the relevancy of it. And aren't the Windrunner Surges Gravity and Atmospheric Pressure?

Peter swings his tankard in a wild, spinning swing, but your roll takes out of the way just quick enough to leave you with only a few drops of ale on your back. Your water attack shoves him across the arena, coming close to the edge before the water breaks around him. His breathing his heavy and his eyes are bloodshot. And he looks mad. You bend the ale, a stream of it flowing out of the tankard...and flowing...and flowing. Ale keeps coming out of the tankard, no matter how much you pull out if it. He breaks the stream with an angry yank and starts pouring it over his head. When he emerges you can barely tell his eyes were ever red, and his blissful grin is back. He starts swinging his tankard around and around, wildly spinning across the arena, insanely fast in an unpredictable course.

Oh my gosh, I can't believe I missed that. *facepalm*

Remember that those are just some of the base Aons, the basis of much more complicated Aons. In fact, each Aon can have a number of slightly different effects depending on how you modify them, much the same way as there is a difference between "hold things" and "hold when thrown", with the same base (hold). One is the basic hold command and the other has a throwing modifier. You addressed my concerns with this with your Focus Variants rule. Also, both use thought as a conduit in directing the power, deciding what Aon and modifiers to use, and shaping the Command to further define what the Awakened object will do. This same principle can be applied to every magic system; deciding which metals to burn, and (as you pointed out) deciding which Surge's power to use. It's far to basic an action to make a true Focus. This is a rebuttal to your "Thought as Focus" idea, which I'm not sure if you dropped or not. You still make a legitimate point, how can spren be the Focus of Surgebinding if they don't offer individual powers like metals do? My first thought is that we're misunderstanding the concept of a Focus. I think that a Focus is slightly more broad. Metals are the Focus of Allomancy, but Pewter is not a Focus, rather, a subdivision of that Focus. The Physical metals could be considered the same. And honorspren like Syl could be a subdivision of Surgebinding's Focus, Nahel bonding spren. You pretty much said the same thing I say here, or meant the same thing. Another thought is simply that how Focuses function just varies from system to system, and the way that Nahel bonding spren work is by bestowing two Surges rather than one. I still think this is a possibility. I doubt a Focus provides absolute specificity. But the omnipresence criticism still stands. Or we could just not know enough, but, at this point, that's probably always the case. EDIT: Bold sentences I put in after reading the post that Mad_Scientist ninja'd me with.

Yes, but it's not an enchantment on the place, that's a normal Spheremount safeguard, that I totally...forgot...to mention...ever...

It's good to see someone trying to make out the murky future of the Cosmere. And I think that this theory is as valid as any out there right now. It's just that we have so very, very little to go on. So little that it's difficult to even discuss. I'm still not convinced that that Dula at the Purelake is Galladon, but I'll roll with it for this theory. I think 2b and 2c have some good things to them, 1 not as much, but still pretty good. I don't see 2a being it at all, it just feels a little too cliche for Brandon.

I doubt that. Looking at the way Shallan and Jasnah's magics work, it just really fits that Soulcasting is one of the Surgebinding abilities, and the reason they have two different ways of using it is because they are of the two different orders that use Soulcasting as one of their abilities. And look at Jasnah, she was able to shoot Stormlight lightning, which is most likely not a Soulcasting power. And then there's Shallan's Memories. These are probably their other Surgebinding powers. Then again, I could be - and probably am - completely wrong. We only have one book so far.

It's the end of a chapter! You can't complain about a cliffhanger chapter!

Adepts and other Spectre based Forms all wear full body power armor, so that would be what you're describing. Good call! It's sort of a mish mash of different alcohol based fighting styles I've seen. Which is a perfect fit for Peter.

I finished Scott Pilgrim today. I really enjoyed it. The ending was kind of a mess, but it was really, really good.

If they were separate it wouldn't exactly be a "shared universe", now would it?

Mad Scientist, you beat me to it! I was going to point that out as a possible Hoid sighting. It's just so perfect, the characters based on obsessive fans (don't you even deny it) talking to the original connecting thread. Who else thinks it's possible that they could have something to do with the Seventeenth Shard on Scadrial? I'm pretty sure that Sliverism is the remnants of the Steel Ministry, though it's obviously gone through a few changes, which is to be expected. And this chapter was hilarious. Balls, indeed.

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Peter stumbles down the bridge opposite you onto the arena floor, swaying slightly. The bridge retracts away from the arena once he gets there, leaving a bare cliff behind him. A rumbling sound announces the return of the stone balcony, now even higher above you. Piscun stands there now, but his voice is equally magnified. "Peter of Skell!" Peter raises an arm, still clutching his flask. "Here and ready, sir knight!" "River!" You acknowledge him. "As always, fatal blows in a Form will return you to baseline, if you are seen as trying to kill your opponent at that point, you will be stopped. If you fall in to the abyss-" he gestures to the chasm between the arena and the rest of the cavern, "-you will be rescued, but you will forfeit the match. Apart from this, you may duel as you wish. On my mark!" Peter stops gulping from his flask and looks up at the balcony, then at you. He tips the flask upside down, which produces only a few drops, then throws it over his shoulder. "I don't need it right now anyway." He starts to glow, shifting into a Form. "Get set!" Piscun raises an arm. Peter's glow fades. "GO!" Peter is clothed in a martial artist's tunic and trousers, both worn sloppily, and carries a tankard in one hand that constantly slops ale over its sides. His eyes are glazed, and he wears a happy grin on his face. He takes a long gulp and rushes at you with surprising speed.

The difference, as I see it, is that it doesn't seem that Breath can create sentience on its own, seeing as there was special circumstances necessary to create Nightblood, I see these pseudo-Returned kind of the same way.

But he's too exaggerated, also I just don't think he has the look for it.

That is a very, very small sampling of the large diversity of Allomantic application. Because aluminum is so useful, it's become extremely expensive, making the aluminum bullet that Wayne found a big indicator of the wealth behind the Vanishers. And only noble houses can really afford aluminum lined hats, and then not a lot of them. You forget that cars are very limited application, restricted entirely to roads (at least in a modern day setting), where pewter dragging, and other forms of allomantic travel, can go just about anywhere. Remember, a coinshot can not only shoot metal, but can make bullets shoot better and harder and can deflect them. X-ray specs is something that really doesn't happen that often, even in sci-fi. Scanning would be a better word, and even that isn't as flexible and applicable in a situation as something like tin.

So Shardplate wearers would be going commando? :\

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