Furamirionind

@A Joe in the Bush was devotary stabbed or lynched? Is the fact there is no alignment reveal intentional? We have stuff to analyse now. I was redirected to Drake. I am very curious as to why this is the case, as... I dont understand why either elims or villagers would do so.

I was trying to use it as a double test on both you and Striker as well... But I can't remember how I thought of it as a test on you... xD

@Devotary of Spontaneity who are you suspicious of? The daggers are generally worse. They give us no info on alignment vs random chance, they also kill rather than jail, they also risk the daggers getting into circulation and falling into elim hands. In addition to that, they have no discussion or voting/counter voting patterns to analyse. While I like the concept of daggers this game, I believe the lynch to be a far superior village tool.

Well... I'm on lunch now, but don't have the mental ability to actually do analysis... Fifth has been checking all the boxes for being a villager, yet I don't believe has actually contributed significantly to the village. I would love to either hear more from Fifth, or see some analysis on him. Fifth

Lol If there were only 3 votes, 2 people could have been killed. Either you or Fifth in addition to Bugsy. My guess is the elims have the ledger I used. The second ledger seems to be missing as well, and therefore, I think likely among the elims as well. Edit: What do you guys think of doing tied lynches? What if we intentionally did tied lynches from now forward. In theory, that will give us a greater chance at finding the elims, at the expense of shortening the game.

Rath Bugsy Idk why elandera is village. But I dont like her lynch today.

It might make more sense to "hammer" araris or bugsy as they bot have content, but are also inactive. I'd prefer Araris, but as they are both inactive, I dont really care.

I'm going to sheep elandera Rath

Elims redirected me to Kidpen. why bother with an incorrect flip?

DrakeMarshmallow, StrikerEZ, Elandera, Furamirionind Fifth Scholar, Haelbarde, Arraenae, Venture, Devotary, Snipexe, Bard, Araris - might both be inactive after this point Bugsy, HH, Rath, Shqueeves Here are the players left in this game. Bold are people taking part in leading discussion. Italics are people who have a post here and there. They are also the bandwagoners. Nothing are the inactives. This game isnt even half over. I apologize for telling everyone what to do, I apologize for acting as a know it all (though that is my natural state), I appologise for pushing everyone really far, and I appologise to Rae as I either offended you or came across as a someone selfishly trying to push my opinions onto others. (Or both) This game to me, is starting to feel like a back and forth between Elandera and myself. No matter what I do, I fail. I'm not trying to force people to play in a method that they dont find fun, or into something they dont want to do. What I have realized, is these past couple days, 50% of the thread has been dictated by me. I dont think that's fun. This game feels to me like it is stagnating due to a lack of player participation. I'm trying to change something up, that will change the way we play the game, which will make it interesting for me again, and will *hopefully* draw back people who are semi active. It will also give players that are active, something new to analyse. I should have made it clear from the beginning, that this was my end goal. (I also skimmed my previous messages, and while I wrote a detailed post as to why we should be claiming, perhaps I didnt post it? I couldnt find it) An alternative method, is I suspect the daggers are being hoarded by the villagers. If we start going crazy on kills, we are bound to hit a couple elims right? It becomes a game of chance, but its differant. The reason this wasnt my first choice, was because I'm totally ok with slow deaths. There just has to still be stuff to analyze. There might be more alternatives too. Idk. Whatever you, the players pick, I will support. Even if none of you think there is any problem with how things are going right now. I just cant promise I'm going to continue putting 110% of myself into this game, if it continues as it is.

I understand, no one like being told what to do. But im too tired to go into my reasoning right now, and I have tried enough to work with you guys this game. no one listened, or even acknowledged said reasoning. so I will say my opinion. Which takes significantly less effort from me than explaining everything. you can listen or not. I will be minimally active over the weekend. You wont have to worry about a pushy Fura then anyways.

Thank you for being one of the few people this game to respond to me. The reason I went so far as to say I'd try to lynch someone, is everyone just was ignoring me. (Though I did mean it) You point, while valid, I think has 1 fundamental flaw, you are assuming the items are worth more than the boxings... and... they are. However, if we can get boxings out of elim hands, that is also a huge advantage. It works both ways. 1. We can be super secretive, giving the village an advantage, but also making it harder to know who to trust. 2. We can be open, giving the elims a disadvantage, but on top of that also helping give us a better idea of who to trust. They are both valid, though I still believe the second to be better long term. short term, I agree that secrecy is better. Edit: I like to play this game proactively. I like to make the first move, guess where my opponent is going to move, and observe what they actually do. That is how I have played from C1. This is why my playstyle changes so much based on the rulesets. however the proactive play here, is to be public with info. It forces the elims to show their hand, tell us about them. Do they care about the items? which items do they target? do they try to kill those people? how many boxings do they have? This is what playing playing proactively tells us.

If anyone is found to have an item after not having claimed that item, I'm going to push for thier lynch. I have explained why its pro village to claim, yet only Striker and Drake have been doing that. Maybe Striker Drake and myself are the only villagers in the entire game? If there is no reason not to claim, and there is reason to claim, the right thing to do is claim. I find it hard to believe that every single item in the game has fallen to the elims. So I am a tad frustrated by the villages lack of working together.

yeah, you're probably right.

I suspect Rae less than Devotary right now, but as I think Alv was village, a hammer on him would have caused 2 villagers and 1 GM to die that turn instead of just 1 villager 1 GM... So that doesn't clear her to me.

You are concerned about the people trying to draw conversation away from Striker/Drake/Bard? I'd be concerned of the opposite, as villagers should be soft clearing at the very least, Drake and Striker at this point. I also think Bard should be soft cleared. The elims will want us to continue tunneling on those 3 people. The fact that Bard broke the tie against Kidpen, is a factor in his favor as well. Everyone beyond Bard, Rae/Devotary... I have had it in my head for a while that one of Rae/Devotary is likely an elim, and this makes me think that even more. If Devotary is an elim, this will be quite the elim streak. xD Being the first vote on Bard I'd say is mostly NAI on Elandera, but a Rae/Elandera team is very possible. I'll have to re-evaluate Fifth's vote, as that, purely looking at the vote count, is a vote I'd suspect.

He had it last cycle. He should have used it on someone else now, and they have it. Edit: Just a reminder all weekend I will be at my theater, and will be minimally active, only in mornings and at night my time.

Ok... Now I'm confused... And yeah, I definitely confused which Ledger I had... Anyways, I am still for claiming who has Whiskey, Warrants and Ledgers... I seriously doubt the elims have all of them, so I have no idea why no one is either responding with why we shouldn't claim those, or with their claims. Just so everyone knows, I was not protected with whiskey last night, which I definitely think I should have been...

Because he was dead anyways. They wanted to get the ledger out of circulation, so had it target the lynchee. Thinking about it, it is just as likely to be intended to remove the ledger, as to protect an individual. I dont think Kidpen bribed anyone.

Well, the observant observer may notice my ledger in the market. That is because I intentionally underplayed my likelyhood of scanning Bard due to overplaying it the previous turn. My hope was that I wouldnt be attacked. It apperantly didnt work. I was redirected to Kidpen, and he is evil. This was a misflip. The only group that would redirect me are the elims, so they were scared I might scan them. Elandera was already panicking, and had quite a lot to lose. Edit Hmm... actually, she doesnt quite fit. I need to think more Elandera

The circle was suspicious before it was confirmed false. That's all I'll say. I'm considering voting Fifth. I have reasons, but I cant articulate them. Edit Can I pls have a whiskey tonight? I still cant think of any disadvantages for claiming who has whiskey

Snip should have no votes. Everyone is on kidpen now. I think 3 on kidpen and 3 on Bard? No idea tbh. Couldnt find a vote count. Trying really hard not to fall asleep I'm not ready to say alv was definitely an elim. Edit oops sorry forgot I posted already

I have a really bad headache, so I dont think I'm up for real analysis. Rae's is enough to stop me from voting on Elandera. I dont like the vote on Bard. I... dont really like the vote on Kidpen either, but the counter lynch is interesting. Bard is almost certainly a worse lynch than Kidpen. Qith my head hurting so bad, If I see a push towards a new candidate, I might be open to that... but im really sorry Kidpen, im not physically or mentally able to relook at this lynch. My initial vote was just a poke... Edit what's the votecount?

To be fair, you are right, but the core of my argument was still relevent. It's not worth debating right now though. As for reading the rules, I know that wasnt intended personally, but I still feel like I need to say I was at my theater both the day before, and the first cycle of the game. While there, I have minimal internet access, and chose to prioritize understanding the state of the game and players, over understanding the rules.

Why would bard pass a ledger if evil?