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Devotary, I dont believe you are taking the convert into account for your lynch math. D3: 8-1(3 lives) lynch I, mislynch N3: 7-1(2 lives) kill, charge iron/atium (2 charged spikes) D4: 6-1(2 lives) lynch I N4: 6-1(1 life) kill, extra life D5: 5-1(2 life) lynch I N5: 5-1(1 life) kill, convert D6: 3-2(1 life) lynch I N6: 3-1 kill D7: 2-1 lynch C N7: 2-1. Kill D8: 1-1. Parity, village wins. ok so it's harder than Devotary makes it look, but we can win if we lynch both Stick and me assuming one of us is the Inquisitor. @Devotary of Spontaneity how come in your math you assume that the inquisitor only has 1 spike and cant charge another? @Sart can you confirm that you definitely protected Rath from an attempted conversion?
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... @Lumgol if a lurcher successfully targets someone, will they get a differant response if they protected someone from an attack or conversion? I genuinely think we have 2 Lurchers, but I still would like the answer to that question.
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Well either you were the Lurcher, or a Thug. : P Between the two, you said you were prevented from taking an action. Hahaha, If I was the Inquisitor, Rath would 100% be my convert this game, so this is great. Lol xD (Though I would have converted him as I called out his meta, and then his response, I would want to see what he does in a conversion (especially after meta discussion), plus a throwback to 55. If something goes wrong, I could always bus him and convert Devotary. ) I think Inquisitor!Fura would be too proud, if my opinion counts for anything... (I know it doesn't : P ) Also, about the D1 thing, yeah, I considered editing in a correction to that, but I thought that would cause more fingers to point at me. To quote though: Contradiction in bold. You can see, while I said I smoked D1, I also said I didn't use my action last night, so my understanding of the rules is obviously intact, and I feel like a small slip up like this is more likely to come from a villager. Hey, Drake, want to defend me so that I don't look even more suspicious by spending so much effort defending myself? : P Oh, and it's unfortunate Stick doesn't seem to have had time to get online so far, but my vote has to go on her for the moment. Stick
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I don't see how that helps at all. The reason I was smoking myself was so that if I was rioted or Soothed, I could prove what I was... The fact I can be Soothed doesn't help anyone, as everyone can be Soothed. If it is frowned upon for Smokers to target themselves due to interfering with Seekers, then it must be frowned upon for them to exist at all right? As simply using their ability interferes with Seekers. It's unfortunate that a Seeker couldn't confirm my claim, but it doesn't make a difference. Edit: As there is only one elim right now, if anyone mechanically vouches for anyone else being good, then the person being vouched for isn't the inquisitor. That's how we have so many cleared players.
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I smoked myself D1 and forgot last night, which sounds suspicious, but considering how busy I was, I'd say it is understandable from a villager as well.
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With the Seer having claimed, I do think we should all claim now, as the Seer is probably more valuable right now than the Lurcher? I'm a Smoker, which means I cant prove myself... someone could try to riot/soothe me today, but I know that is too late. I dont think it can be Shane, and I know it's not me sooo... that's interesting. Oh, it's also worth noting, since we still only have 1 elim player, that Sart is now mechanically cleared as well as Devotary. Mechanically cleared players: Drake, Cicada, Rath, Devotary, and Sart. That leaves: Fura, Stick, CadCom, Shane. I suppose I really will need to go back and reread LG52, as that's when Shane was last an elim... but I still dont think its him. That leaves CadCom and Stick, and while I have gone back and forth a bit on CadCom, I am sure there is a seer in this game, so if no one CCs CadCom, then regardless of my reads, it has to be Stick? Sart
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Even though I'm the lynch leader right now, I really dont see myself as on the chopping block... if I was to reveal my role, it would only be because we are doing a mass role claim. *prove* I'm not the Inquisitor? Why dont you prove you aren't the Inquisitor... because we can't. I believe in your case, it is because you are the inquisitor. In my case, if no one has come out to clear me, I cant clear myself. Edit: People dont like mass roleclaims, my joke about them before was me trying to suggest it, without people turning on me due to them not liking it. Well, today is our last chance. Lol, we are essentially in lylo already.
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1. Furamirionind - Village Me 2. Cicada - Village general trust, no CC, village mindset, etc. 4. DrakeMarshmallow - Village Seeker cleared him 5. Stick - Slight Village I can't tell if you are implying you are the Lurcher here... : P Stick played a careful and manipulative elim in 56, and a careful MB in 55. This game they haven't seemed nearly as careful, similar to recent games where she has been village. My only question in this post, is that if she voted on Aman, this is a rather subtle defense of him, potentially used to get semi-cleared after he flips... However... I don't think she voted on him, and she was defending him basically the entire cycle as well. Due to this, she gets a Slight Village read from me. @_Stick_ why didn't you start a counter lynch D2? 6. CadCom - Slight Village This is tough, but reading his recent posts, it feels like they are coming from a village mindset. While I disagree on several of the conclusions, the logic seems sound as far as I can tell. Particularly his long post today. 7. Rathmaskal - Village General village read, plus no Soother CC. 8. Shanerockes - Village I don't think Shane is in our POE. He wouldn't kill Xino or Venture I don't think. 10. Devotary of Spontaneity - Slight Village 12. Sart - Elim What do people think of a mass roleclaim? This could mess up some people as it will give the Inquisitor a perfect choice of who to convert, and if they convert a Thug, it's already game over... But regardless, I don't think it particularly likely that we will never mislynch the rest of the game anyways so... lol. I am quite disappointed that we Lurched the convert though... Awesome catch by the Lurcher, but on the downside, they can still convert. We are better off the earlier the convert goes through. Edit: Sart
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Hmm? The issue with voting on Stick, Is there is a chance I'd vote on stick, then youd have a 3v3, and there is a risk Aman wont die as someone might come off that train to prevent 2 deaths from happening. It would be risky. You are clearing him because he didnt do what you claim you would. However, what you say you would do isnt the only right answer. The right thing for the inquisitor to do was... literally anything. Vote on Aman, Stick, anyone else, or no one. It doesnt matter. Because of this, while you might do something, you shouldnt clear others for not doing that, when it is far from the only effective method. Back to me, honestly, idk. Ill be a bit surprised if I end up getting lynched today, but i dont have to back up what I say with a vote. First, if I voted for Stick and people left the Aman lynch, I didnt want stick lynched either. So that's bad. I could have started a lynch on someone else, but as I didnt have the mental energy or time, I didnt bother. I admit that Drake's arguements had me doubting my village read of Aman a bit, and because of that, a small part of me did want Aman dead as well. However, I've already addressed that historically what you are saying I'd do as an elim, is something I specifically dont do. When I'm an elim, I dont care about who gets lynched, and I am far more willing to stick a vote on someone random. I dont do that as village, even when I say that's what I am doing. I feel like if you skim LG55 and QF39, that is pretty obvious, though i am sure it is more obvious to me than others.
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The same reasoning you used to clear CadCom could be used to clear everyone in the game could it not? I think it was clear I was around a bit before rollover that game, so I definitely had the chance to vote, and decided against it without analysis. I think I have also shown that as an elim, I have no issue sticking a random vote down on someone, which I showed both in LG55 and on MU. My other 2 elim cases aren't applicable. I am much more careful about my voting when a villager. Anyways, I'm super tired, and am going to do things that don't require me to think at the moment. Tomorrow I have a long day at school... So I'll probably do a quick reads list and vote and so on. While I will be available all day tomorrow, I can't let myself spend too much time on this.
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Double posting as I feel like it has been a year since I last posted. @Lumgol Is the vote on Devotary supposed to be there? Can Rioters Riot the votes of people who didn't vote? The vote on Sart seems to have been Soothed. Does anyone want to claim responsibility for that? Ok, I read what happened EoD2 and... well... First, Aman is right, Sart seems sus for that post. Also: @DrakeMarshmallow: I would 100% try to lynch you over this post if you weren't confirmed to not be the inquisitor. I'm not trying to beat you into the ground for a mislynch, but I do take issue with some of the things you say here. Let's go through in order: You were pushing for his lynch hard. Maybe you internally considered he was village, but your argument was founded on the assumption that you can just ignore anything that comes out of Aman's mouth, which regardless of who it is, even Aman, is a dangerous attitude. I would see this as a lack of caring about whether or not you are actually lynching an Inquisitor. "Aman is a dangerous player, and should be killed" is something that doesn't help anyone except the Inquisitor. You are correct, Aman getting lynched *doesn't* cost the village the game. *However*, we did just lose one of our power roles. So basically, Aman was the only way we could clear 100% someone of being an Inquisitor. Now all we have is the lynch. This makes our chances at a good lynch significantly less, as he would have scanned someone in the POE. I mean, yes, it is. But it is not as suspicious as you made it out to be. I don't think your reasoning and suspicion on him was going to get him lynched. I village read him at the very least, and am equally as vocal in thread as you. And to address your second part, the village is really close to losing on D2. Why would a villager not fight hard for their survival? In most games, we have time before we have to hit an elim, but in a game where there is no time, good villagers will be trying hard not to get lynched, because if they do, chances of losing go drastically up. When reading Aman, and several other players this game, instead of just thinking about their alignment, I have also been thinking about, "given this player is aware of 'x', 'y', and 'z', what do I think they would do if village vs. evil? This is why I was willing to give Aman a soft village read on D1 purely for not voting. Do I think he wouldn't vote as an elim? possibly... But given the past couple games, I think as a villager in this situation, 9/10 times he wouldn't vote, where as an elim, it would be significantly less. I learned to do that from you. I'm tired, and didn't event expect to type that much in response to the above post so... I may not do a full reads list, we'll see. 1. Furamirionind - Village Me, hi. 2. Cicada - Village Not going to reanalyze her posts right now, but I recall a village mindset. 3. Xinoehp512 - Village Xino claimed to be trying, but didn't show back up. I would love to help Xino understand better what is going on, but if he was the Inquisitor, I would expect him to be involved in thread to give the village a chance. As it is, even if Xino is the Inquisitor, lynching him is still a waste, and we lost once he was picked as Inquisitor. so I'll read him as village. 4. DrakeMarshmallow - Village Mechanically cleared from being Inquisitor 5. Stick - Slight village Ok, this is all of the top of my head, so I might need to do another reads list on D3 once my comic con is over... But Stick has been sounding like herself as village. I haven't played enough with her to really get a feel for her playstyle, but in LGs55 and 56, she tried harder to blend in I think. Her speaking style this game seems much more like a MR/QF I spectated over the summer where she was village. So for now, she is slight village, but this could go as low as neutral on a reread. 6. CadCom - Neutral I had CadCom as village earlier on, but I don't remember why... I also had some of CadCom's posts ring alarm bells in my head, but I also don't remember why. CadCom will be the first I ISO after my comic con. 7. Rathmaskal - Village I believe I am putting Rath as village. His elim and village playstyle seem quite distinct to me. In essence, it's mostly about how he seems to focus much more on winning and good gameplay as an elim, whereas village is just to have fun. 8. Shanerockes - Village Similar to Xino. Basically I'm only putting as village as lynching them is a waste of our last lynch, and if they are evil, we have already lost. In that case, why bother considering them. 10. Devotary of Spontaneity - Village While I normally don't get a village impression from Devotary, I seem to recall it happening once before, and her actually being village. I think generally she has been level headed and logical this game... which... I mean... Is just pretty much the usual... I will be ISOing her early as well to double check my read, but i don't want to spend too much time on her, as I think it to be a waste. 12. Sart - Elim Aman caught a good discrepancy in what Sart was saying, in addition the fact he had so many people in his POE makes me feel like he wasn't actually taking any players out of his POE. Also, why did he put himself in the POE? Lol! @Sart
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Drake is still village. I'm still at comic con. Look at Stick and CadCom. Idk about Devotary. But I'll give her benifit of doubt for now.
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Again, I believe Aman. He does have a history of occasional drunk posting, and this is a mistake I think likely to occur from being drunk. Heck, I confuse metals all the time. The only reason I know Brass and Zinc is because Zinc is my favorite metal. I dont believe Inquiziboi is AI from Stick, but I got a village read from her response to my questions to her D1. Some of Devotary's recent posts I think were strange, but I'd need to reread them before voting on her. I dont really have a read of Sart... CadCom, again, some strange vibes. He's been putting effort in though so... idk... I'm not going to vote as I'm presenting at a comic con today, and shouldnt be on my phone.
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D2: 10-1 (-mislynch) (I = 3) N2: 09-1 (-convert,-kill) (I = 3) D3: 07-2 (-mislynch) (I = 3, C = 2) N3: 06-2 (-kill) (I = 3, C = 2) D4: 05-2 (-Lynch I) (I = 3, C = 2) N4: 05-2 (-kill) (I = 2, C = 2) D5: 04-2 (-lynch I) (I = 2, C = 3) N5: 04-2 (-kill) (I = 1, C = 3) D6: 03-2 (-lynch I) (I = 1, C = 3) N6: 03-1 (-kill) (I = 0, C = 3) D7: 02-1 (-lynch C) (I = 0, C = 3) N7: 02-1 (-kill) (I=0, C = 2) D8: 01-1 (lynch C) (I = 0, C = 2) N8: 01-1 (-kill) (I = 0, C = 1) D9: 00-1 ---Elims win @Cadmium Compounder you still had two possible mislynches in your math Sorry, hit ctrl-enter instead of shift-enter Real edit: If the convert is a thug, we lose if we mislynch today. If we lynch a thug, then we will probably want to keep lynching them until they are dead as they could be the inquisitor, meaning they will take multiple mislynches from us, and we will lose again. D2: 10-1 (-mislynch) (I = 3) N2: 09-1 (-convert,-kill) (I = 3) D3: 07-2 (-lynch I) (I = 3, C = 2) N3: 07-2 (-kill) (I = 2, C = 2) D4: 06-2 (-Lynch I) (I = 2, C = 2) N4: 06-2 (-kill) (I = 1, C = 2) D5: 05-2 (-lynch I) (I = 1, C = 3) N5: 05-1 (-kill) (I = 0, C = 3) D6: 04-1 (-lynch C) (I = 0, C = 3) N6: 04-1 (-kill) (I = 0, C = 2) D7: 03-1 (-lynch C) (I = 0, C = 2) N7: 03-1 (-kill) (I=0, C = 1) D8: 02-1 (lynch C) (I = 0, C = 1) N8: 02-0 (-kill) (I = 0, C = 0) Village wins. If the vote minimum is 2, then we don't win parity, meaning we enter Lylo on D3, so if we hit a thug with the lynch today, we still lose. If the vote minimum is retracted, then we enter Mylo on D3, meaning while we don't have an extra mislynch, we can hit a thug today and not lose.
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Actually, you are incorrect too. : P There are 2 spikes that can give extra lives, not 1. So that mislynch in there, has to be for lynching I as well. Hence why today is likely our last mislynch. If the Inquisitor feels like only using 1 of the Iron spike abilities though, I would greatly appreciate it. : P Edit: Oops, forgot I had just posted. Sorry for the double post.
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Umm... basically, yeah. Lol. I dont know. With how close we are, I am really concerned that the Inquisitor will spike a Thug, giving them 7 lives. If they do that, and we mislynch today, we lose... We could solve that by having the Lurcher protect them, but then we lose the Lurcher... The Seer is pretty valuable too... I'd be open to the idea, but I'm a bit apprehensive about it. Ninjad by cadcom.
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Interesting. Idk, I think Aman is telling the truth. @Amanuensis, @DrakeMarshmallow what's the thing Drake mentioned that would have given his role away to a non-seeker? I think depending on what that is, if Drake still has reservations, that could still help. I thought I was going to have time to do a reads list over lunch today, but as I am now going out with a cousin last minute, I will instead probably get out a simpler thing during a break sometime. Edit: If Aman is a Seeker, this whole situation is rather amusing. Lol.
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Ok, I wrote a response on my phone while in my robotics meeting (stepping back from being captain has it's perks : ) )... But I didn't finish, don't like posting on my phone, and I have a computer now. So here are my semi-quick thoughts: Eh, I think it's fine. Coinshot is an easy fake claim to make, and having someone I trust claim coinshot makes me feel much better than having someone I don't claim it. However, as it isn't a kill role this game, it is possible there is another one. Eyebrows shoot up Ok, I'll disagree here. If he does have a valid scan, I believe he would be reluctant claim your role so quickly. Notice this Hmm, while last time I read this post it didn't have the ED2T, everything before that seems in character with having just scanned and proved that Drake is village. He doesn't want to out his or Drake's role, but also wants to direct conversation away from Drake as he knows that conversation would be pointless. The reasoning given isn't amazing, which makes me think that this isn't something that Aman was planning on saying over the entire night or whatever. This point alone doesn't clear Drake. Now reading the ED2T, that does run counter to the point though, so I don't know. Anyways, my point stands. A villager would be just as, if not more reluctant to claim their results. Assuming you are telling the truth... Which... I mean... you really have to be. Lol... anyways, assuming you are telling the truth, you don't actually know he is evil. You just know he is lying. He could be pulling a "Fifth"... The only evil player right now is the Inquisitor, is it not? There are no secrets, and the game starts with 1 evil player. That player can't convert on D2... So anyone evil C1 or C2 has to be the Inquisitor. We have plenty of votes on Aman right now, and while I know Aman has a silver tongue (though he has denied it before ), I'd like to give him a chance to speak. If we mislynch today, we are out of mislynches. Ok, here is the problem, we don't necessarily know who the Inquisitor is after today. Senarios: Elim!Aman & Village!Drake -- Simplest option, probably most likely. Aman wanted to pull off something risky for long term gain, saw an opportunity, and slightly got it wrong. Drake is a soother, and Aman guessed he was a Rioter. Village!Aman & Elim!Drake -- this has 2 sub options: Aman was lying and didn't scan Drake. Guessed that Drake was a Rioter in an attempt to direct conversation away from who he thought was a villager. He guessed wrong and is paying for it. The only strange thing, is that Aman even earlier today through his ED2T, seemed to not trust Drake. Aman did scan Drake, and... This doesn't work, as it either requires Aman to discover Drake is an elim/roleless and lie about it, or... Yeah, that's basically it. So this isn't an option. Village!Aman & Village!Drake -- This is the exact same scenario as 2.2 Elim!Aman & Elim!Drake -- Mechanically not possible as there are no converts left. While this would be a horrible strategy, I could see it from these two as a ploy to both give the village a chance at the game, and get a deep wolf at the same time. So, in order from most sense to least sense is: 1 3 2 4
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Dont worry too much about hindering the village. As long as you are talking in thread, you are doing your job as part of the village. If you think something will be fun, do it! Last game I played, there was a mechanic where if you got enough currency, you could pay 40 and win the game, and make everyone else lose. I made a deal with Drake where we would help each other reach that goal. We were both village, and that could have hurt the village pretty bad, but it was fun, and that what is important. (It ended up Drake didnt need my help and went on with the solo win without me :'( ) Dont worry about being out of practice. As long as you are talking, you are doing good. I dont remember my questions to you from night 1, but would you mind answering those? I think you are village, and would like to hear your thoughts more. : ) thanks! I think we can take Cicada, Xino, and Fura ( ) out of that list. Also, Devotary is in my towncore iirc. I'll make a real post after my robotics meeting and once I'm at a computer again. Edit: I also dont think Shane would have killed Venture, so I'd take him out too.
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Possibly. He was also fairly trusted. I would assume from this though the Inquisitor already has decided who they want to convert. If they weren't certain, I think they would have prioritized someone experienced with analysis like Aman/Devotary/Drake/Aman/CadCom.
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Ok, and we are back down to 2 mislynches. I really hope we have a Lurcher, if we do, it is quite important that you choose who you protect carefully, as a single failed attack or convert on the Inquisitor's end could give us an extra mislynch... Actually, it probably makes sense just to protect yourself every night? That also ensures you can't be converted by the Inquisitor SE takes practice. I've been playing for over a year now, and I'm still bad. I just pretend I'm good, and sometimes get lucky. : P generally, the more you try to play well (however you define the word "well" : P ), the more questions you ask, etc, the better you get. You are playing a good game so far, don't sell yourself short.
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Really quick, as I personally think it important, I'm going to try explaining it better: as we have started going down the path of the D1 lynch, I'll just explain that one. @Lumgol Wait a second, as the elim kill isn't an action, can the Inquisitor kill and convert in the same night? if so, that yet again throws off my math, as the turn they convert will actually serve as a double kill, meaning that... Ok Conclusion: As the village wins a parity (when there are the same number of villagers and elims), if Lum says they can Convert and kill on the same turn, then we have 1 more mislynch. If she says no, then we have 2. I want to post more, but i spent too much time on this : / Edit: And yeah, I agree it's likely the inquisitor voted.
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@Lumgol are there secrets in this game?
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@xinoehp512 How has your day been so far today? I see you followed this thread. I was nervous you were hit by a car or something. : P edit: Who would you have voted for? Have you read over my estimates on how many mislynches the village has? What do you think about trying to mass lynch people all at once?
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Ok, so I apparently messed up, as i thought there was only 1 vote on Snip when I voted for him. If I had known he already had two... I might have voted for him still, but I might not have... idk. Anyways, a vote was soothed off of Rath. Meaning one of Devotary/Drake were Soothed. That was a day turn, this is the night turn, so the kill will happen this turn.
