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What if both Harmony and Unity try and reform Adonalsium and that's how they come into conflict in era 4? Harmony with 3 shards (Ruin, Preservation, autonomy) two dawn shards survive, ? Vs The unity with (honor, cultivation , Odium) and dawnshard change, and bind

You think he trying to kill the shards?

"Mercy, and so you receive the gift - being shown Mercy literally ties you to Mercy" this sound like a mixture of endowment and the nightwatcher. I could see a magic system where those suffering or in need recieve a access as act of "mercy" from mercy. Valour Initiation Showing bravery in battle Maybe the act of give your life for someone or facing your fears. Like the epic weakness but instead of againing the ability to use your power without going insane, you activate your powers.

For all practical purposes they are the same since Tanavast Assension.

They literally are the same person other people are called that.

Unless dalinar is to then that's not going to happen. dalanar also is a son of honor.

Exactly it means that he is Aligned to honor. It just doesn't mean anything more.

Tanavast is honor you're reading too much into it. Calling him son of tanavast is the same as calling him son of honor. All it means is like dalenar He is aligned to honor.

I think Odium and honor would make zeal.

I think it's more likely that hes called a son of honor because he worships the Almighty. Or perhaps just because he is an honorable man. Contrary to what everyone else thinks I don't think it means anything more.

Well we know the shadows represent the unmade. I all ways assumed that it ment he would bond all 9 but I guess we aren't really told what it means. Still it would suggest a connection between the champion and the unmade.

doesn't the vision show odium champion bonded to all 9 unmade?

This is perfect though I personally always leaning towards his 1st wife being the champion I think this might actually be better.

He Is he fought Kaliden completely unarmed in his 1st encounter And nearly won. In addition the man has a 100% successful kill rate against other radiance. It's lost to Kaliden as more psychological than skill.

It doesn't matter the question wasn't how many members of the Knights radians exceed the level of fused. The question Brandon answered was how large the order is were.

I think we're talking about 2 different visions I was talking about divisions from the true desolations you seem to be talking about the vision of the false desolation 1000 year after.

Doesn't matter, The question wasn't how many knights radiance there were it was what was the size of the orders. Squires are part of the orders.

I find those numbers very doubtful the visions we see of the true desolation show mainly regular humais the regular human soldiers with here and there somewhere someone in plate. More likely I think the large orders had a few dozen( Not counting Squires) at best slightly a little more than they do now.

No that's wrong The wind runners and stonewards Had around 200 4th ideal radiance near one fort. There's no reason to assume that was the entire force And even if it was The ignores 1st 2nd ideal radiance, Not to mention the Squires. Even if the wind runners had 10 Squires to every 1 knight there Then that would be a 1000. Kalidon had a lot more than 10. So with the added mind let's say 20 Squires per every 4th ideal knight ( Is still on the conservative side) That makes it up to 2000 there's your low thousand. I said the knights radiant at its height Not The bond Smith order. Besides the most likely reason why there was only one bondsmith was because they only needed 1.

True but even without unmade involvement the unmade the listeners had a literal army in a form of power

They were at their height during the false desolation. A 1000 years after the last true desolation. That's a long time for the organization to grow Bill numbers And advance in their ideal. I doubt they had even close to that during the true desolations.

They go after the plate to use them themselves not because they want to keep them away from the humans. Personally I think that Sja-anat Is probably what the fused used to counter plate. We see her with the ability to control lesser Spren that she corrupts. Plate is created by lesser Spren, Theoretically then she can corrupt it And just tell The Shard plate to turn into something else. This would also explain why we don't see this power in this desolation. Odium is afraid to lose more unmade and besides he doesn't trust Sja-anat

I think you're forgetting that 1. The nights radiant as an organization Didn't exist Until late in Cycle of desolations. Before that You had surge binders that were just as likely to start fighting each other as the enemy (we see this in the vision) 2. Limited number of Knights Radiant. We see hundreds of 4th ideal nights radiant In the 4th desolation, After their organization had been around for over a 1000 years of relative piece, But that's not what we see from Is any of the flashbacks from the time of the true desolations. The visions show armies of primarily regular humans with here and there a 4th ideal nights radiant. For all we know we could be looking at at best a couple dozen in each order. This means the fuse would have them severely outnumbered. 3. Humanity is not a United front. In the last desolation division shows primarily human soldiers on both sides. That means at least half of humanity sided with the void brings That's gives a serious advantage to seriously the fused.

Let's not forget the unmade we haven't seen all they can do probably because Odium is afraid to loose another, but even what we see so far could be extremely effective if used strategicly and remember that before this there was no weapon that could stop them.

I think you underestimate forms of power and more importantly the unmade remember that the singers were able to keep fighting against the knights radiance with only forms of power and unmade. Remember that this time around humanity knows how to capture unmade but before this that was not the case. I suspect that the reason humanity is win even with less Spren bonded knights because Odium is afraid of losing another unmade.