CosmicSieve

Doesn't make me think of Tien, or his potential spren. Why would it call to Syl? I hope it is explained, because it is curious.

I like the term "systematic racism", because it is clear what it is talking about. Kaladin is very much against systematic racism. He has experienced the injustice of it, he doesn't want to just reverse the tables and lord it over lighteyes, he would very much like it if justice and honor were actually true, fair things for everybody. His experiences have made him prejudiced against lighteyes. Other characters either embrace or passively accept systematic racism, and they are prejudiced against darkeyes, though their prejudice is less about hating darkeyes for things done to them, and more about discomfort at darkeyes being out of there place, fear, or seeing darkeyes as throwaways. Neither prejudice against lighteyes or darkeyes is good. Kaladin shows his ability to grow beyond his prejudice, and start to see the lighteyes he meets as just people. One thing that drives me up the wall about all the "Kaladin is racist" threads I've seen is that Dalanar, Adolin, ans Shallan are also "racist", along with bmany others. It kind of makes me crazy that this is seen as a problem just for Kaladin, that he needs to get over and then the world will just be hunky-dor, but no one else needs to tackle their own prejudices.

Wasn't it Shallan that picked up the palace bead in Oathbringer, when she was looking for a means to get the group off the Kholinar Oathgate platform in Shadesmar? I don't remember Kaladin ever doing so, or showing any interests in the beads beyond the icy one when Captain Ico was making water. When did Jasnah pick up the palace bead-- I don't remember that either, but since she is an Elsecaller and can Soulcast it seems reasonable that she did. I just don't remember when.

I voted other. I just don't enjoy Mraize, I find him to be grating.

Nale seems to care about local law when acting as a law agent in a specific place, but other times just sort of overlooks the laws of specific lands when convenient. For example, he recruits Szeth despite Szeth's multiple criminal acts across much of Roshar, including states that Nale has the authority of a law agent in. Also, the Skybreaker wannabes are absolved of past crimes when they say the first oath, indicating that some of them had committed crimes before joining. Nale's lawfulness is a bit chaotic. I agree that hiring an assassin seems against his MO, though.

The Window Maker.

Dalinar and Adolin are not the Sons of Honor, and there goal isn't to reestablish the power of the Vorin church at all costs. I think the different reactions of the Sons of Honor and Adolin backs up my point. A darkeyes getting Shards was something out of legend up to that point. Adolin mentions a lighteyed archer kill stealing a Shardbearer from spearmen, and Jost's father grumbled about having killed a Shardbearer and having the Shards stolen (sounded like a tall tale at the time but in retrospect if he was part of a group of spearmen it could well have been a situation like the one with the archer), but that's as close in modern times as we get t the legends until the situations with Kaladin. In both cases he refuses to take up the Shards, and tries to give them away to other darkeyes. As far as I know there is no precedent for granting Shards to a darkeye who didn't earn them, and Moash does make some comment on how people just don't know what to make of him.

My point was more that Kaladin refused to pick the Shards up himself, and so he remained darkeyed. If he had picked them up himself, he would have become lighteyed. I think the Sons of Honor had a problem with that. If Kaladin would just become lighteyed, it would prove the Almighty's favor. Staying darkeyed and being a slayer of a Shardbearer and handing out Shards like some kind of noble kinda messes with the ideas of Vorinism the Sons of Honor were so intent to promote.

I am waiting for Amaram's cronie the stormwarden Restares to pop up as a character. I really want to know more about the Sons of Honor. I think you are right that Amaram would have spared Kaladin if he had picked up the Shards. The Sons of Honor wanted to restore the Vorin church, and legends allowed for a darkeye to win Shards and become lighteyed. But the case Amaram had was a darkeye killing a lighteye but refusing the Shards so he would remain darkeyed, and then the darkeye granting the Shards to another darkeye. That just doesn't fit in with Vorinism. So Restares wanted Kaladin and his men erased, and Amaram got the Shards as payment for doing that deed.

I wondered if Kaladin meant the one who had killed Tien. Wasn't that the same Highprince's army as four years ago? I don't have my book handy to double check.

As amusing as that idea is to me, I believe Stormfather made Syl before he joined with Tanavast's cognitive shadow. Technically, I think all the other Honor spren would be Stormfather/Tanavast's children or descendents thereof, and only Syl is a child of just the Stormfather.

Well, there's at least two of us, then.

There's always the one who name their character Wolf or Raven. It needs a Roshan equivalent. ChickenMink Stormwind, the Stonewalker Ranger.

I think it would need a mythical monster in the title. Chasms & Thunderclasts? Thunderclasts don't have anything to do with chasms, but then I never did figure out how dragons got stuffed into dungeons.

Chickens and Chasmfiends would totally be the name for their Monster Manual.

Perhaps, to build on that, it is because Syl would be the only Honorspren to actually remember Tanavast, and so when she picked her Knight she chose someone close to what Tanavast was like. The other Honorspren were all made after the Recreance, and possibly after the concept of honor had changed.

Adolin thought rebel assassins were responsible for his mother's death, so I don't think he ever blamed Sadeas for that, so I don't think it was a factor Adolin killing Sadeas. Blaming Sadeas for Rathalas may have had an indirect effect, since it showed that Sadeas had a history of fixing problems by killing them along with the several thousand people standing closest, so Sadeas's threat to keep on doing what he was doing may have had more weight. Though I think Sadeas's recent behavior, which included intentionally getting thousands of Adolin's men slaughtered, was enough.

If there is one thing Kaladin and Shallan have painfully demonstrated, it's that they not only have to know their next oath (or truth), but also mean it. I am surprised Pattern didn't spend much of the time in Oathbringer spinning in place on the floor. I expect the fourth oath does relate to something Lirin tried to teach Kaladin. I think Kaladin needs to accept the ideals of triage, by finding a way to prioritize who to help first, because he can't help everyone at once. I also think it would be interesting if Teft passed Kaladin in oaths, just for how awkward it would be. Not sure if Teft could get there so quickly, since he still has issues with what happened to the Envisagers (sp?) after he turned them in. Teft might have some serious issues with himself about knowing what is right. Not sure I could take it seriously if The Lopen is the one to pass Kaladin. Those were the only two developed as having spren in Oathbringer, and I don't think I'd like it if someone random is suddenly at fourth oath without it having been developed on page.

Okay, but is a Soulcaster soulcasting the person's actual soul, or the soul of their meatbag? Meatbag makes more sense to me, since I can understand meat deciding so easily it will change to fire or crystal, but if trying to get the person to agree to change, I feel like the answer would just be straight up "NO" unless the person was suicidal. As it is, I feel like the meat is being pretty traitorous throwing out the person it houses so readily, but I guess that's what I should expect when it has meat-for-brains.

I wonder how hard it is for any Radiant to reach their fourth oath. There was a Skybreaker who told Szeth that most Skybreakers only reached the third oath, and that she spent two decades at third oath before swearing her fourth. On the other hand Dalinar's vision of Feverstone Keep showed hundreds of Radiants with both armor and sword. On the other other hand, both Jasnah and Shallan seem to be on their fourth oath, with about six years with their spren and Shallan even having taken an extended leave of absence for most of that time. Hard to tell how quick or often is usual for the fourth oath being reached.

Oh. I think it's fine to use future sight as a defining characteristic of Truthwatchers, because Renarin is our one example right now, and even though his spren is corrupted it is probably some sort of twisted version of what the normal surge can do. At this point it is part of the joke, just like taking characteristics of our other Radiants and applying them to the entire Order.

Seems I misremembered: It wasn't the Desolations but the Voidbringers that the Envisagers wanted to return. Though that is similar, and close to what what the Sons of Honor were trying. Maybe the remnants of the Envisagers formed the Sons of Honor. I wonder where Teft was from originally. He was in Sadeas's warcamp, but he still could have originated anywhere in Alethkar, I suppose. It is odd to realize that anyone middle aged or older didn't grow up in a united Alethkar.

I swear Teft said that the Envisagers wanted to return the Desolations. Gave me a bit of a shock on a reread. It was that chapter in WoR where he was on rotation with Sigzil waiting for Kaladin to come out of the chasms. I can check for it later when I am near my books.

Lirin was a courier who travelled to Kharbranth in his younger days. So he has been there.

I'll have the chicken!