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The only explanation I could come up with that makes any sense is maybe that it's because horses are Native to Shinovar, and the transportation of those horses creates a need for them to have a very high value in order to create a profit for the horse merchants. Similar to our real world comparison of the spice trade during the renaissance where the prices would be set very high in order to pay for the transportation of the spices across countries. When the crazy spice prices drove people to search for different routes to the indies that would be cheaper. It makes a little sense, but at this point, horses have spread all over Roshar, allowing for the horses to be bred where they are instead of having to constantly transport new stock across the continent. So i'm still kind of confused. Is this why the horses cost so much? Or is there something I'm missing? And also, if Ryshadium are granted quasi - sentience/sapience, why not other horses? Is it because the Ryshadium are native to Roshar, but the Shin horses are descended from horses that were from another world? I have many questions. It kind of reminds me of how aluminum costs so much in Wax & Wayne.

I'm rereading Oathbringer, and I'm at the part where Kaladin is chasing after the singers who ran from Hearthstone, and it reminded me of when Kelsier and Vin sprint for more than a day to try to save the Skaa rebel army. Extended Pewter drags allow the misting/mistborn to keep pushing at their peak performance level for extended periods of time, making it so sleep may not even be necessary. After the drag is over, it can result in needing days or even a week of sleep if not more, so I'm just wondering if going for a long time using stormlight to keep you going can have similar end results, since stormlight has a few similar physical effects, like increased speed, endurance, agility, wakefulness, and healing. So that's kind of what i'm wondering. The only in book example I can find that is similar is when Kaladin gets cut with a shardblade, and shoves stormlight into it to heal it, and afterwards feels exhausted and drained.

I'm just really confused about where this came from. I know he was technically king for a little bit, and that he asks to get added to the list of Alethi Kings. What happened that made him technically king? I'm really confused.

What was your question, and what was the response? I'm pretty sure that would be okay to say since that isn't a secret or anything. I might know something. It kind of depends.

It's basically just the question above. I'm re reading WoR, and there has been a couple things that make me think that Surgebinding and the Nahel bond can be sensed by others, even if they aren't necessarily Surgebinders. I'm thinking it's probably most similar to how each person on Nalthis has a breath, and how it allows for the feeling of knowing someone is watching you or behind you and such. At several different points in the book, Adolin expresses his distrust of Kaladin, because "Something seems off about that man". Kaladin almost word for word says the exact same thing about Shallan. Hoid seems to sense that Shallan is a Lightweaver in her flashback chapters. Can something about the Nahel bond be sensed that way?

I'm in the middle of a reread of Words of Radiance, and I'm kind of wondering what is going on here. "It turned out that he had finished that meeting only to start another. A man she did not know sat next to Father with a cup of chilled water in one hand. Tall, slendder, and blue-eyed, he had a deep black hair without a hint of impurity and wore clothing of the same shade. He glanced at Shallan as she stepped into the box. The man started, dropping his cup to the table. He caught it with a swift lunge, keeping it from tipping over, then turned to stare at her with a slack jaw. It was gone in a second, replaced with an expression of practiced indifference." Does she remind him of someone? Or can he somehow sense her bond with Pattern? I thought that maybe Shallan reminded him of an old love or something, since Brandon has said that Hoid has had several. I feel like he's been kind of different around Shallan than he's been around everyone else. They seem really close and he seems to actually care about her. Especially when you look at Oathbringer and the scenes they have together there. Hoid respects Dalinar, doesn't seem to be very tight with Jasnah, seems to like Kaladin alright, but he seems to really really like Shallan. Can someone explain this? All I could come up with is maybe he's just surprised that someone so young could have already bonded.

I think that whether or not the stormlight could have any kind of effect on the baby would first of all depend on whether or not the mother and baby identified as being part of each other, or as separate people. The stormlight might not even touch the baby if they viewed themselves as separate rather than parts of one whole. On the same subject, I wonder how radiance would work with apair of conjoined twins. Could one of them be a surgebinder and the other not? Could they both be surgebinders but of different orders? If they cut themselves apart from one another, and they both identified as their own person, would they heal up as separate people? They would almost be overpowered if they were different surges and conjoined.

There is so much wrong here, I don’t even know where to start. Do you not want the good guys to win? I mean, I wouldn’t wanna read a book where the bad guys that we hate win in the end. No duh the good guys win. Journey before Destination bro. We know that in the end, the good guys are likely going to bring Odium down. It’s the journey we care about. It’s actually kind of ironic that you think the story is so predictable, but you didn’t even get most of the facts right. Let alone the speculation.

I'm kind of curious about where the stuff about the final loss you're talking about, came from. Also, the contest of champions is something that could have been done previously. There probably just wasn't any need to because the Heralds and Radiants of humankind won EVERY TIME. Honor wouldn't ever allow Odium a 50/50 chance of victory when Honor was already favored to win. Honor only suggests it now because all of the odds are against the humans. There are no Heralds to lead them. The Radiants are starting from scratch. Odds are tipped towards Odium. At this point in the series, I don't think Odium really thinks he CAN lose. Honor's last ditch plan for humankind is to convince Odium that he might lose, and scare him, so he'll be convinced that chance of victory in the contest is higher than his odds otherwise. I think Thaylen Fields is the first place we see Odium scared and confused. Let it continue. And I don't really know if Honor changed Stormfather too much. I mean, he gave the Stormfather more responsibility, and stormfather started being more of an individual rather than more of a force, but the reason Dalinar is able to do what he does is because of the combination of Honor's remnants, the Stormfather, and Dalinar's will. I'd like to think that Honor has a plan, but I think the Oathpact continuing the way it was, was his Plan A, and the Contest of Champions is his final play. And it's confirmed in the WoB's that Honor is splintered. But Brandon has also confirmed in WoB that splintering isn't necessarily permanent. I'm not sure what you mean with the whole Odium/Honor paragraph. I mean, Honor took a long time to die, for sure. But the splintering would have been more recent because he had to wait for Honor to die. You keep saying Final Loss, and Final Desolation, but this desolation is called the True Desolation, not the final one. This desolation isn't making all of the old ones not matter, it's the culmination of all of the other desolations. They were all leading up to this, when humanity is without leadership from Shards, or Heralds. On when Honor was splintered though, it has to have been before Gavilar's death, but we don't really know the earliest he could have been splintered, since we don't have a death date.

I found a passage towards the end of WoK that goes along with the thermal change stuff, it reads - "Kaladin's hand felt warm. He stopped in the chasm, closing his eyes. You couldn't feel any heat from a sphere, usually, but the one in his hand seemed warm. And then--feeling completely natural about it--Kaladin breathed in deeply. The sphere grew cold and a wave of heat shot up his arm. He opened his eyes. The sphere in his hand was dun and his fingers were crispy with frost. Light rose from him like smoke from a fire, white, pure." That definitely seems to go along with what we've been saying, that taking the stormlight from the gemstones will make them super cold, leading them to crack. Thermal Shock people!

Yeah. Usually Pattern hides on her dress somewhere. But he can't go invisible. I think it's supposed to be because he is more in the physical realm than the cognitive realm. Shallan can actually touch him and feel him, but only just barely. There's a spectrum of how much of a spren manifests in the physical realm. When the A-Team is trapped in Shadesmar and on the ship, Kaladin attracts the windspren and they manifest on the cognitive side, which really shocks the spren crew because, as the captain says, windspren exist almost completely in the Physical realm, so they never see them. There's also the opposite, where spren exist more in the cognitive realm, like Wyndle. That's why he is surprised that Lift is able to touch him, and says she must be partially in the cognitive realm as well. So Pattern and Cryptics must be more towards the physical realm when they manifest there, allowing him to be touched, but also making it impossible for him to just go invisible.

Yeah. Brandon has said that bonding multiple spren is possible, but I honestly don't think it's gonna turn out that way either. I doubt it's really gonna be something we'll see coming. Every time I think I know how things are gonna turn out, I turn the next page and he just throws a surprise at me. So we'll just have to see.

I could see Lift as being bonded to the Nightwatcher. She's going to be one of the primary characters in the second arch, so it would make sense. I really like Rlain as the Sibling Bondsmith. He'd be perfect. I feel like Brandon has to be saving him for SOMETHING. He was kind of in the shadows during OB, and I feel like there's gonna be some kind of big reveal later. I hope his character kind of opens up a bit at least though. With some first person. I could also see Venli bonding the sibling. She'd be a pretty solid choice. We've seen her growing a lot and I could see all of her character development in OB as leading up to it.

I think that the fact that we have to remember is that the cryptics were following HER around. Not Taravangian. In the book, Shallan is trying to get away from them, and she keeps turning around and drawing and seeing them. They follow her into her room, and the hospital room, and if I remember right, she even draws them surrounding her bed reaching out to touch her. It sounds like they are a lot more interested in Shallan than Taravangian because of her lies. I mean, someone who not only lies to others with great frequency, but also lies to herself in an attempt to keep herself sane? That sounds like it would be Cryptic scholar GOLD. Though it is possible that the Cryptics were interested in the lies of Taravangian as well, I don't really see it going that way with him.

Yeah I’d have to agree Calderis. She wouldn’t be able to hide it for very long unless she foun a way around having to breathe the stormlight in. She’s the soulcaster instead of the fabrial. And yeah that actually would be really interesting. I wonder if it would look similar to how invested and gets used up on Taldain.

Haha no ranting is good. I learn more that way. I hadn’t really thought about different degrees of breaking before. That’s really interesting. And with kids, you’re basically saying that they’re spirit webs are incomplete as well, just in a different way. Yeah? I think it’s really interesting to see the broken people advance in oaths, because it almost seems like a healing process. Except instead of a normal spirit web, they’ve grafted on a bit of a Shard. It’s cool, Kaladin as he goes on has to accept his failures and accept that he can’t save everyone, Shallan has had to admit truths to herself that she might have never admitted otherwise, which seems to be helping her overcome her mental struggles, and Dalinar had to accept what he did in his past. It’s really cool. Do you think that maybe that to attract a spren, all you have to do is have breaks in your spirit web that they can fill or heal? That would work with kids, since they’re lacking all over their spirit web, it might even be easier to attract a spren.

@Calderis, I just read the part when Shallan’s in the hospital, and I think we might have actually had it wrong about shallan. It looks like she actually inhaled it. It WAS from a garnet sphere though. I still think the theory is solid.

I'm rereading WoK, and I have been thinking about how most of those that bond spren have serious problems mentally and emotionally. I've seen WoB's where people theorize that to get a Nahel Bond, your spiritweb has to be cracked or broken a little bit to allow room for the bond. Brandon has said that this would be the on-world theory, but that it isn't necessarily always the case. He references Shallan at this point, because she has been bonded to pattern for so long, since she was just a little girl and her biological mother was still alive, and she hadn't experienced all the horrible stuff that would be coming. So, I'm just wondering, what do you guys think the overarching rule would be for bonding a spren? Does the relative strength of your spiritweb really play a part? Or do you think it's kind of just open to anyone based on whether or not they can attract a spren? Kaladin's honor in his actions in his squad attracted Syl. Shallan attracted Pattern by all the lying to herself. Szeth (assuming he's bonded by book four) will attract a highspren because of how he demonstrated his honor when he willingly adhered to the commands of those who held his oathstone, even if he hated himself for doing so, showing that he would make a good Skybreaker. That kind of personality thing? Like maybe it's just compatibility? A side question as well, Brandon has said that Tien was about to bond a Cryptic and become a lightweaver, so do you guys think that Tien had some emotional and mental problems that he was good at hiding? Or do you think he's another exception like Shallan?

Awesome. That all sounds pretty solid. I wonder if the stone shamans are going to go after the honorblade in the next book or something. Szeth said in way of kings that if he was defeated, the shamans would retrieve the honorblade from the person who killed him. Was letting him die and then come back a way to get around that? I kind of hope not, because Vyre getting destroyed by a bunch of honorblade-wielding shin stone shamans sounds like an awesome fight scene. Nale probably at least has some base knowledge of shin customs and protocol relating to the honorblades, considering that they either gave him his honorblade or he had to steal it back from them at some point. By the way, I don't know if you've seen Ant-Man and the Wasp yet, but the villain has got some Quantum Decay going on, and they look exactly like what I always imagine Szeth's after image to look like.

THAT'S RIGHT I FORGOT ABOUT THAT!!! And my bad. Those details always get me. But that's interesting. She probably just lightweaved it when she went into Radiant's persona. It's still kind of interesting that she put the GARNET (Dang details) shardplate on the "illusion".

Yeah there's no reason to assume that she doesn't have it just because she hasn't said anything about it or technically been seen using it. Most orders don't have a crazy demonstration of power like Kaladin or other Windrunners when they advance to new oaths. Brandon has said that the only reason that windrunners are so explosive when they advance is because they're so closely related to the bondsmiths. Some evidence pointing toward her actually having her shardplate though that we SEE is during the battle of Thaylen City. When she does the whole Shallan/Radiant/Veil thing and goes all crazy, Radiant is WEARING amber colored shardplate. I realize she's just an illusion, but I think it makes a lot of sense that she would manifest that way rather than without it. If Shallan DOES have shardplate, I'm betting that using it would be admitting and accepting a truth that she can't accept. Similar to her Patternblade. Radiant, because of who she is, would definitely be more willing to accept it and use the shardplate she's kind of a utilitarian.

Along the same line though, I can't remember exactly what is said, but I think it heavily implies (Or states it outright) that Nale deliberately waited until after his death to revive him, rather than just heal him. I might have that wrong, but if I have it right, why do we think he would do that? And do we have any kind of explanation as to why he's out of sync with himself that way? I know it's caused by his resurrection, but what is the Cosmere/Realmatics/Investiture way to explain it?

Yeah I’m with you there. Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply disagreement. 100% with you there. EDIT: I just reread the part where Shallan Soulcasts the goblet into blood by accident, and I paid special attention to the spheres that were in the room giving light, and non of them cracked or were drained. Are we assuming that the Soulcaster gems in her safepouch were drained that way?

I looked around and I read about something called Thermal Shock. Here's the definition. Thermal shock occurs when a thermal gradient causes different parts of an object to expand by different amounts. This differential expansion can be understood in terms of stress or of strain, equivalently. At some point, this stress can exceed the strength of the material, causing a crack to form. It says that since most gems are at least partially made up of water, (Opal is apparently the worst at 30% H20, so @RShara knew her stuff) the sudden increase of cold in gemstones can cause certain parts of the gem to shrink at a different rate than others, leading to the stress that cracks it. Since Szeth and gemstones are doing essentially the same thing, just holding in stormlight and then releasing a lot of it at once, it would make sense for the gemstones to get colder too. I can't find the WoB right now, but I think Brandon said at one time that the frost on Szeth is caused by an endothermic reaction caused by the stormlight changing states. But I can't be sure exactly what he said.

OOOH OOOH It’s kind of like how when Szeth lashes or something too quickly with a large amount of stormlight, frost accumulates on his body! Maybe it’s just the COLD that’s making the gemstones crack? This happened to me when I was doing the dishes once. I pulled a mug out of the dishwasher and it was BURNING hot, so I shoved it under the cold water from the faucet to cool it off, and it shattered. Could it be the same principle? I know there’s a WoB out there where Brandon says that the frost accumulation is just from the stormlight changing phases or something, so it could be.