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  1. StanLemon
    This isn't the case, Wax merely needed to change how he perceived the metal. There is no indication that it was difficult. Kelsier very much could Push/Pull on any part of the metal, for example he simultaneously Pulled on one end of a bar and Pushed on the other to cause it to spin in the air.
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    You can Pull/Push on a metal that's on the other side of a person, just not in a person. Kelsier kills a hazekiller by Pulling on a paperweight behind them
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    The way I interpret the end of that WoB, is that if you burn Aluminum normally, it'll wipe out your Investiture stores regardless of Feruchemical charge. It is admittedly vague which he's meaning though
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    Because Atium formed in geodes which themselves were in wall filled with crystals that ultimately were not Atium, it looks more like a transfer of Investiture can induce crystal growth.
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    I'd forgotten about his comment on Breaths mostly being in the Physical but he has said Nicrosil can steal them so he may have done a retcon
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    Hmm, perhaps it's only the Investiture that's in the Physical Realm that affects weight? Considering that Breaths can be stolen with Hemalurgy, that to me implies that the Investiture of Breaths is mostly in the Spiritual Realm and just uses the Physical Realm as a medium to move through. This might be able to explain why an Ironmind doesn't get heavier because the Investiture is stored in with the Spiritual Aspect of the metal, but when tapped it's being converted into the Physical Realm fully
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    But from his perspective what's the point? Killing her instantly or or taking his time, as far as he had any reason to believe she would die either way. He really had little to no reason to believe she'd actually threaten him As Sazed put, he didn't know how to use the power at first so had a few panicked choices before he really learned to use the power delicately. And it's implied that Preservation's Intent prevented from undoing what he did, so he had to make new changes to compensate. As for his society though, he is petty and spiteful. But things were working fine for him, he liked it and no amount of uprisings could threaten his control.
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    To be fair, he did have a thousand years of being the peak of power with no true threats. And it did take a literal deus ex machina to take him down.
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    I choose Compounding for both. I think just the everyday benefits of being at the prime of my life are just too nice
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    Do they heal slower? I'm legitimately asking as I don't recall any indication that they have inferior healing
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    I thought about continuing to argue about density, as in order to add mass you have to add 'something', particles or energy, into a constant volume to increase density. So there is more 'something' in the same volume. Because density is defined as the ratio of the amount of 'something' in a volume. But frankly I'm too tired to At the end of the day, all our equations in physics are reliant on how things work in our world. Investiture's mere existence breaks that. I don't expect this to in any way be an accurate formula as I'm throwing it off the cuff, its just to get the point across. But hypothetically, in a world with Iron Feruchemy the mass/density formula gets replaced with this to account for Investiture. p=density m=mass V=volume I=Investiture factor. >1 when tapping, <1 when storing m=(p × V) x I That equation would mathematically allow volume and density to remain the same while mass increases. This solves the whole issue that started the debate in the first place I'm sure none of this will change your opinion on anything. But as I said before, Feruchemy breaks the mass/density equation. Ultimately the math has to explain what's happening. If the equation can't explain what's happening then the equation is wrong. And iron Feruchemy proves the p=m/V equation wrong in the Cosmere. Not that there aren't a whole lot of other issues as ultimately Brandon makes decisions for narrative reasons.
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    This here is one of the reasons I take issue with the whole density changing aspect. More massive things in the real world just plain have more stuff crammed into a space, particles energy or whatever. But Feruchemy doesn't change the amount of internal space taken up in that volume. Sure it will take extra energy to to move those particles but there aren't any extra particles to move. Edit: wow the connection to your quote was more obvious in my head. The basic thing is just that there is no difference except that particles are more massive
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    I flubbed my wording, but density is defined as the amount of stuff in a volume. Extra energy is still an extra something within that volume I'll concede that extra energy to the strong force would not work. But please break down how the equation still works if no extra internal volume is being taken up by the increase of mass how that equation truly applies. If you take two items that are in every other way identical same exact number of particles, same exact space taken up, absolutely no difference whatsoever in composition or energy. Particle interactions being the exact same. But one of them has its quarks and electrons inexplicably be far more massive despite acting exactly as they would with normal mass. Yes you can mathematically say one is more dense, but in any practical real world way would it actually be more dense?
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    Dude. In physics mass is an intrinsic property. P=m/v is a derived equation based on that. Once you get rid of that constant then the equation doesn't work. I'm not changing any definition, volume is defined as the amount of a substance in a given volume. The only reason that equation that defines density even works is because mass stays constant. Because in the real world, the only way to increase mass in a given volume is to increase the amount of particles, that doesn't apply for Feruchemy. You are ignoring the logic of why the equation exists in the first place This is why I said there are particles physics issues that would need to be handwaved
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    Considering that Voidlight can sustain a Heavenly One in space, it's certainly safe to say that Stormlight would sustain you in space. I'd imagine that you would burn through the Stormlight a lot faster though as it would need to constantly heal you from the vacuum and radiation. However, because Shardplate can become airtight and Windrunners especially can manipulate air pressure, the vacuum and radiation problems won't be an issue. I'd assume Lashings would work fine, they seem to create a virtual gravitational attraction
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    Except it does assume that. Density is technically defined as the amount of stuff in a given volume. In physics, because particles do have a constant mass, that leads directly to the mass/volume equation. The only way to get more mass/volume in real life is to increase the amount of particles (stuff). Iron Feruchemy gets rid of that constant, making the p=m/v equation no longer valid. That equation only works if the mass of particles remains the same.
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    But that definition of density assumes that mass of particles stays consistent. Thus the only way for mass to increase under normal circumstances is for there to be more particles per unit of volume. Changing the mass of the particles themselves completely throws that out the window
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    The problem with this is that Brandon has consistently said it's mass and not a gravity manipulation. He's probably going this route for Era 4 reasons most likely. As far as the density issue. The way to get around this is "simple" when one knows where most mass comes from. The Higgs field is where individual particles get their mass, but most mass is a derived property of the strong interaction. The majority of mass in the universe exists from the energy of holding quarks together in protons and neutrons. Changing this energy would change the mass. Now that leaves a whole lot of particle physics issues that need to be handwaved but it does fix the density issue
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    @therunner I apologize, I thought you were thinking like Frustration was in this comment where Frustration thinks the time halves for every compression factor. I got myself a little turned around on what you were saying. I'm still incredibly doubtful though that Brandon's rate of decay in that WoB is reflected in the books. Especially for when Feruchemists are drawing out a ton of an attribute. The best test would probably be when he starts pushing a passenger car of a train for a minute or two. Not counting any variances when Wax might store extra, because he also regularly taps his Ironminds as well. Wax stores 25% of his weight, even that he completely drained his Ironminds at the end of Alloy of Law that gives him only a year and a half to two years (can't remember exactly off the top of my head, have to check) of storing a quarter of his weight. Giving Wax a full 16 hours a day, assuming 8 hrs of sleep average and him storing from the moment he wakes up to going to bed.
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    Here is where the problem comes. According to the WoB you do have to half it every time. Brandon's example strait up halves it every time and then takes a little extra time off for the Investiture loss. If you say you don't have to half it to get each multiple you are no longer being consistent with the WoB. That's why the WoB doesn't make sense mathematically.
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    Ok, I had to wait till I had a computer because it was taking way to long to type on mobile Ok here we go. So 6 weeks is 1008 hours. Assuming the travel time estimate is including 8 hours a day of sleep, that brings travel time down 672 hrs. Being more generous than my previous estimate, lets assume the estimate is 3 hours of day for meals. That would bring travel time down to 546 hrs. 6 days is 144 hours. He would have to make the trip 4x faster than normal on average across the whole trip to do this, this is with assuming that he ate rations on the go and tapped his Bronzemind to not sleep. Now let's see what Sazed's speed stores would look like. Every 5th day for 5 months. Because it's supposed to be an earth analogue, let's give Sazed 3 months of 31 days and 2 of 30 days. That gives him 30.6 days. Assuming he stores for 16 full hours each of those days at 80% stored the entire time for the absolute maximum he would likely have had stored. That would give him 489.6 hours of stored 80% speed. Now let's start calculating. To use the model of the WoB, it would look like this for getting 4x faster for the trip. 1 to 1 tapping Sazed moves at 1.8x speed (489.6 hours of speed available/20.4 days) first compression Sazed moves at 2.6x speed (244.8 hours of speed available/10.2 days) second compression Sazed moves at 3.4x speed (122.4 hours of speed available/5.1 days) third compression Sazed moves at 4.2x speed (61.2 hours of speed available/2.55 days) As should be clear, just to hit the speed Sazed would need to make the trip in the time he did, he just does not have enough speed stored up and that's before you take into account the loss of time from compressing the Investiture. He'll run out by the third day, around halfway through his journey. And that's if he was tapping constantly. But as you pointed out he was only using the Steelminds occasionally. So he would have to compress the traits even more to keep that 4x average. He would run out of speed long before he got where he was going. The math just doesn't work with the WoB model you and Frustration want to use. Ignoring the fact that Sazed didn't have Electrum, your other suggestions just wouldn't be enough to make up the difference. I'm sure they would help, but it just would not be enough to compare to more than 2x speed at best. Speaking of speed. I'm convinced people on this forum just do not understand how much faster even a two time speed increase is. I'm out of shape and I can do a hundred meter dash in about 17-18 seconds. Usain Bolt, has a record of 9 and a half seconds. That means the fastest sprinter alive isn't even fully twice my speed.
  22. StanLemon
    In a tackle you hit them at the side. And in WoA he explicitly says increases weight adds force to blows. Brandon has never said this was wrong. The closest was is saying Sazed was wrong about density. There is a WoB about weight and punches, but it is contradicted by the books and he didn't say the book was wrong Yes, show me the WoB where he says the book is wrong about force transference from higher mass. Again, the one where he talks about the the tapping weight and punches he doesn't say Sazed or the book is wrong. Also, there have been many times where a WoB has been wrong and when someone brings up the contradiction he's admitted to be mistaken. It's almost like a questions immediately answered isn’t always accurate. Sazed hits Marsh. An important thing to remember is that the increase in weight is distributed throughout the body. If a Feruchemist increased their weight to a ton, the fist would only be about 10 lbs. Not an extravagant weight but it would make the blow hurt worse. Edit: Brandon doesn't even necessarily need to be wrong about the 1000lb force transference comment. Assuming an average male weight of 200lbs, a hand is about a 1lb. For the fist to be able to strike with 1000lbs of weight behind it, the Feruchemist would be needing to tap enough weight to a hundred tons at least. We've seen maybe one example of a Skimmer tapping anywhere near that much weight. The end of Alloy of Law when Wax tapped years of stored weight
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    Except that isn't how he broke them. He broke them by tackling which is dependent on mass. Not a focused strike like a hammer And I keep telling you, either those WoB don't apply because they are talking about something else, or they are directly contradicted by the books. And. Books. Take. Priority. Over. WoB. Hell, the one you like to use of Brandon admitting he's wrong is about density not mass or force transference. And that density WoB happened because he directly contradicted what Sazed said about density in Alloy of Law
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    Because he had greater mass than usual, not because he was stronger.
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    It's cushioned by the flesh of the Kandra, I highly doubt you could put a bone shaped stone in a sack completely surrounded by meat, tackle it and break it. Not so easy to break in that condition
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