LerasiumMistborn

Only after rereading some scenes in Oathbringer. When I read it for the first time I was very sad, but I didn't cry. On my reread, however, I cried a lot. After every flashback scene with Dalinar. He had a terrible, tragic life. And after every scene with him in parts 4 and 5. Dalinar's death scene will probably kill me. He doesn't deserve it and...this is just too much for me to handle. Though the whole readership will be happy with death of such an unworthy human garbage as Dalinar.

Red herring is a bad writing. At least, it is for me, as I see it as a broken promise to the readers. So, I spent about ten years of my life for Dalinar only to read him being kelled in a sleep? I'm sorry, but this is literally the worst thing I've ever heard. When you write a certain setup for the character, when you spend 1200 pages for moving the character towards certain development, you should give a satisfying conclusion for all the set up. Killing the character halfway through the story, waste all setup is...beyond horrible. Maybe he will write Moash killing Kaladin in the first chapter of book 4? No one expects it, I think this is such an amazing twist. Or maybe Adolin will slip on the babana skin and break his neck, instead of reviving his sword? So fresh an unxpected. No? Then why all the characters get normal, satisfying development to their plots, exept for one Dalinar? Why for him this is entirely normal to pass his own personal plot to someone else and die halfway through? I'm honestly devastated with this anti-Dalinar campaign. The author takes his story away from him, the whole readership wants him dead without even caring that it would waste all character's narrative and potential. It seems I'm abnormal for rooting for good, satisfyong conclusion for this character, and for all plotlines the author started to write himself (!) Yes, fantasy is predictable. The main reason I dislike Kaladin as a character is because he's immortal with thick plot armor. I can't feel for him, I can't worry for him. Why? He won't die. He's Honor's Champion, and Honor himself, and Odium, and Adonalsium, and everything. On the other hand, someone like Dalinar is doomed to die just because he's "that older character, who always dies". Amazing. On the side note, battle of the champions won't destroy Odium. It was clearly stated in the book.

After reading a couple of books you get to know the author, learn his ways, see what tropes he prefers to use. After that it's not hard to predict what he will write next. Especially true for Sanderson, who uses the same tricks over and over again. Yes, Dalinar is the Bondsmith...he doesn't even have his own real spren. The Stormfather, despite being Dalinar's spren, has more connection with Kaladin, who's now super special successor of Tanavast. That's not assumptions, right? Sanderson said/wrote it himself. You really think this is a satisfying conclusion to Dalinar's story? Is this a good story? I'm speechless. So, the whole talking with Gods, ascending, progressing with ideals things were only to end like this? To be killed in a sleep. If anything this is a poor writing, made for mere shock value and a splt in the face for all readers who followed Dalinar for years. And passing the tourch to Kaladin is also a poor writing, because it's not a natural development by all means. This is: one character was thrown away and his role was given to other character, who has nothing to do with this plot. It makes the whole Dalinar narrative meaningless. And when something that was supposed to be that important turns out to be meaningless, this is, again, bad writing. Or maybe I'm just this boring person, who prefers normal developments and satisfying, natural conclusions for the characters, instead of killing them while they sleep for mere plot twists.

I don't see your point then. I was disappointed, because Dalinar's story with Ascending to Honor is now belongs to Kaladin for absolute no reasons. It's not secondary, it was a core of Dalinar's narrative. One person can't defeat Odium's forces. Dalinar was a general and successor of Honor's power, Kaladin was a soldier and a leader of the windrunners. Shouldn't all characters have their own story without stealing other characters stories? I really, honestly can't see how Dalinar's narrative with Shards is less interesting that this cliched, boring and predictable "older character dies and passes his role to younger generation" that happens in every book. That's just a tasteless cliche and a horrible way to end Dalinar's story. He was unique, but totally wasted for the sake of cliches. Sanderson really shouldn't even start writing this character. I think so. No, Kaladin doesn't make any sense. Dalinar was moving into this direction for the whole book only to...what? To put all character development into garbage basket? I kinda hoped Sanderson would write something better for his "favorite" character than "terrible person needs redemption and commits suicide to earn it". Also, the whole Dalinar's arc in Oathbringer is meaningless in that case. Like, was it interesting to speculate about the meaning of Unity? Who cares, it means nothing, Dalinar will die anyway. And what's the purpose of reading such story?

Huh? Shard Vessels are immortal, so the actual age doesn't matter. Kaladin has absolutely ZERO sense as Honor's Shard. It's not his story, it's Dalinar's story that was stolen from him and gave to Kaladin for no reasons, except for "overpowered main character syndrome".

Dalinar's death was heavily foreshadowed since book 1. Book 3 was, imho, a rather poor attempt to fool readers and make them believe that Dalinar is somehow important, while it was obvious since book 1 that Kaladin is the main character of the series, another chosen one, while Dalinar is nothing more, but his side-kick and plot device. Dalinar "doesn't work" just because the author decided to make Kaladin the main character, and not Dalinar. Narrative-wise Dalinar makes much more sense, but his status of a plot device isn't allowed him to progress. Personally, I'm tired that Sanderson writes the same story over and over again. Create a character, give him a certain plotline, develop him, kill him, and give his role to another character. He did it more than one time, so it became a real boring cliche that makes the ending of Stormlight horribly predictable. There's no intrigue left. No matter how he will explain it (something like: Dalinar is a human garbage, a mass murderer, who must go amd kill himself to let others live, and pass his role to more deserving human), for me this is a betrayal of Dalinar.

Too simple for Kaladin. He's the main character, he must be the most special, and powerful, and important creature on the planet. It was always obvious for me that he will end up as new God. As for why Dalinar doesn't count, this is because he's another "fake out" character that Sanderson loves to use to mislead the reader. Dalinar is used as a plot device, and that's his only purpose within the story. He's here only to create the illusion of importance around himself, to make readers think he IS important, while he really isn't, then the author will kill him only to pull out an "unexpected" plot twist for the sake of "unexpected" plot twists, and give all the power and importance for the Real main character, Kaladin.

I think, it just means that Kaladin will become Honor. So, no real descendant of Tanavast, more like successor of Honor/Tanavast power. New Honor.

No, the most simple and most likely variant that explains all the theories is: Unity means nothing. Cool one liner to make people speculate. Just like Szeth's I'm Death (also capitalized) and Kelsier's I'm hope. Both really means nothing in terms of...shards and cosmere lore. Why would Unity be different.

Hmm...this is a very interesting theory. Though I can't imagine such a powerful gemstone (to trap entire Shard power in it).

Yes, Mistborn books were all about humans...but in the end Ascension to Godhood was the only possible solution. You just can't fight with God and stay a human. I think, contest of champions won't solve the problem with Odium. It's a temporal solution that will give them some extra time, but it won't destroy Odium. And as long as Odium lives, no one is safe. I think, to solve the problem they must kill Odium. Kill it's Vessel and take a Shard, or merge it with another Shard, or splinter it, so no one could take it. Whatever. But in all those cases they need another Shard, most likely Honor.

But Mistborn demonstrated it clearly: mortals can't defeat Gods. Only God can defeat another God. Preservations vs Ruin. NOT Vin vs Ruin. Without Ascending to a Godhood they aren't able to kill or even hurt Odium. They need another Shard, another God. "die in the process" is key words. I don't want it to happen. I'd absolutely hate if it were to happen (and it likely will). Besides, I'd say that there're already many, many problems with moral aspects in those books (for me)...

Odium...Dalinar's nemesis is Odium. Like...other characters fight supernatural enemies and monsters, but they're still...more "down to earth". If it makes sense. Kaladin vs Moash, Szeth vs Nale (maybe), Shallan vs Unmade (that run away in fear after Shallan touched it...). But Dalinar has Odium. Evil God that kills other Gods wants Dalinar's death. And all other characters are pretty overpowered. Yes, they fight Fused, but they can fly, they have magic swords and power armor. Dalinar has nothing against the Fused and nothing against Odium. He's an insect compared to Odium. Immortal God vs human. Dalinar doesn't even stand a chance.

It will be very "useful" when someone kills Dalinar in a combat.

I'd rather Dalinar have a normal spren like everyone else. Stormfather is probably the worst possible choice. No sword to fight, no armor to protect yourself, no normal powers. Useless... As for predictions: everyone will be doing some awesome stuff. Dalinar will sit in hallway during two or three chapters he will get.

I think Dalinar can't have a Shardplate.

I don't see how discussing refording of Honor in a topic about reforging of Honor is off topic. Anyway, I don't see multiple person holding one Shard. It's just...how? And why? It breaks all rules Sanderson set for this universe that is: one Shard - one Vessel ( and how this Vessel interprets this Shard's intent).

Regarding the third question, 1) why did Taln become sane again (and why did it fade away)? 2) if "he" is Dalinar, why did Taln feel he needs to go there together with Ash? 3) What exactly did he feel and why?

I would hate if it happens, as I think it's just awful and unfair to rob Dalinar of his story. But at the same time I'm afraid this is what Sanderson will write. He likes Kaladin and prefers writing him over other characters. He's probably the most important character and he always gets everything. Also, this is what fantasy is about...about overpowered main main character (Kaladin), who gains more and more power and kills main main villain (Odium) Do I hate it? Yes. Absolutely. Do I think this is what Sanderson will write? Also yes...unfortunately (as it would be total.horrible.waste of Dalinar). I don't see him as a Bondsmith at all. It makes no sense narrative-wise, but I still think Sanderson will write something like this just to give more and more power to his beloved character, even if it means wasting all other characters, like Dalinar (and it was his narrative since book 1).

It could? I thought whether or not splintered Shard can be healed is a rafo. Dalinar can't do it While I can agree it makes a lot of sense narrative-wise...for me, there're already SO many things that doesn't make any sense in those books narrative-wise, it makes me very, very skeptical. If I'm right, and Kaladin will be a prominent character until book 10, it may change. Seven more books is a lot to gain more and more power. He may take the Stormfather after Dalinar's death and become a Bondsmith. Is it possible to Ascend to a part of splintered Shard? To it's...splinter? I mean, if Dalinar Ascended (in the end of OB) he would become a full Shard. But Honor is still broken. Nothing changed.

1.He was sentient, but I think it's not impossible to gain even more sentience. Like, he used to have spren level of sentience, but changed even more after becoming Honor's CS. 3.Yeah, I read it somewhere. I don't know what Sho Del is...but I recall I read somewhere that original Shard Vessels weren't all humans. There were three races on Yolen, one non-human, and some of them became Vessels. It probably means Parshendi can Ascend too. Maybe Venli...as Honor/Odium (or just Odium), as she's both Voidbringer and Radiant Knight.

Interesting. I'm not going to read it, but I think it will be an amazing book for everyone else (so, I'm a little jealous, but in a good way).

Why so many people think Honor WILL be "healed"? This is a very popular theory...but why? Anyway, if it were to happen, I think Kaladin will do it. Somewhere around the end of book 10. Maybe 5, but that's less likely. So, probably during grand final of book 10.

Hmm...spren, including the Stormfather existed before Adonalsium was Shattered. So, they're technically splinters of Adonalsium. Stormfather was spren of the storm back then. After Shattering, when Shards, Honor and Cultivation, arrived on Roshar...why did some spren became Honor-related spren and some - Cultivation-related? Why the Stormfather is Honor's spren and Nightwatcher is Cultivation's? I understood though that the Stormfather always (after Honor arrived) was a splinter (though I don't understand why, if he existed even before Honor). And when Honor "died" he became Honor's Cognitive shadow. But you want to say that Tanavast-Honor tried to merge his soul with the Stormfather even before he died? Like, he knew he will die and, by doing so, tried to "save" part of himself in this spren? Also, when the Stormfather remembers those days he always says "he wasn't fully alive" back then. So, I though he gained sanity after being merged with Tanavast. But maybe Tanavast somehow changed him intentionally when he was still alive... This actually makes a lot of sense...Because if Dalinar with the Stormfather doesn't reforge Honor that the whole set up won't make any sense...Stormfather is completely useless. He doesn't want to help Dalinar. He doesn't even want to talk to him! Dalinar doesn't have "normal" powers. He's an insect compared with Odium? How he even supposed to deal with Odium? All these talks about Bondsmith powers, about Dalinar being special due to Connection to Honor's remnants. It didn't provide him any benefit yet. I though all these special circumstances (Dalinar as a Bondsmith, Stormfather as Honor's Shadow, their Connection to the Shard) are set up for Honor's reviving. Because why even give Dalinar Honor's powers if it means...nothing? And if it means nothing, I absolutely agree with you, it will be very, very annoying, disappointing, and feel like a broken promise. Because you don't tease something like this if it means nothing. Oh...I though he used that power of Stonewards (Dalinar should have the same Surge) that allows to "melt" stones. But now I recall...Dalinar heard voices of spren in the stones, so now I think he restored it's Connection. You're right. Nah, I think Sanderson is going to waste Dalinar. At least people understand that this is not good treatment of the character and will be extremely disappointed if it happens. That's not what people wants/expects. It's just...wrong.

Yes...but he changed after Honor died, right? Now he's not just a spren right now, but splinter of Honor. He's more sane and powerful now than he was pre-Shattering, and I think, this is because he merged with the soul of Honor's Vessel. What I wanted to say it that I don't think the Starmfather may Ascend and become Honor's new Vessel and that he's an example of Splinter gaining sentience after Shard's "death". Though I don't understand what's the purpose of the Stormfather within the story and why Dalinar has this spren. He seems pretty useless and only Bondsmith power Dalinar has is google translate...Connection to Honor's remnant gives him nothing, no benefits...nothing. I don't get why it's even exist.