Observer

Yeah, to everybody who says he's unchanging, I can't help but think of Kote and wonder what happened to him. Skuldugery Pleasant anyone?

Yeah, in the Traravagnian chapter he contemplates ignoring his orders and just killing him, but then his "honor prevailed, for the moment". He's basically motivated by religion and despair

Well, in Leras' case he was using his mind to cage up Ati's mind, instea do fusing shardic powers to attack shardic powers. Kind of a different case, but I guess that proves your point to some extent. It just seems like Adonalsium has too many different shards to have become a monster the way Ati did. Unless you think he blew up due to shardic imbalance, in which case it all works out. Heck, who needs a specific cause, maybe it was all seven (;D) of them!

Recorded as best as possible form memory. It was right about there that I realized I was dreaming. The irony of the conversation is rediculous in hindsight.

Either they mean to add themselves to Adonalsium, they mean to replace Odium or some other shard in Adonalsium, or they've managed to artificially create a shard that they might to the above with. Artificial shards. Harmony help us. Literally.

Possible adversaries: The Seventeenth Shard Hoid Shardholders Another, similar kind of being Shardic sickness Imbalance of personality (Too much Preservation expended, too little Odium used, etc) Extreme boredom

Probably a lot of breeding, hemalurgy, and exploitation of the ambiguous new snapping system.

Isn't the point of this site to speculate the heck out of that very background? It's the impression I always got... Anyways, in line with Hoid's speech about Gibltesh, and assuming the mindless Adonalsium theory is right, maybe this is Hoid having second thoughts about the whole thing?

Yeah, not long ago I had a Calvin and Hobbes moment and essentially met myself. I hated the guy. I think one of the biggest problems with Vin is how emotionally volotile she is. It's like handling an unstable explosive wearing oven mitts with her. One slip,and it all blows up in your face.

I really like it! Hoid talks about dead gods a lot, yet we know Adonalsium's around. It makes sense that it was just the mind that died. I could rant and ramble a lot, but I'll cut it short and just say that that's awesome.

Huh, I never noticed it before. Szeth irrationally hates everybody he's sent to kill. The shard on this planet is of hate.

What if the Fain was some kind of world-decay? Adonalsium kept on pushing it back, like Rashek would have done with the mists, going on for centuries until it finally couldn't fight anymore. Maybe the 17th Shard wanted to....add themselves into things? Before or after I don't know. Heck, maybe Adonalsium was sick, tying into #1.

Sitting normally. I perch on my seat simply out of habit, and putting my legs down will just result in them coming back up th emoment my attention is elsewhere. It doesn't bother me, rather comfy actually, but it drives some people crazy.

I knew it! BOOYEAH! Thanks for posting this

This is totally what happened. Single best piece of Cosmere info we have.

Well, the shard probably would have recognized Hoid the same way it knew the name Adonalsium, so Sazed probably knows about him too. Maybe Hoid's goals and past deeds as seen by the shard weren't the kind of thing Kelsier would approve of? Like, the way he doens't like nobles, kind of approaval.

Pewter makes you faster, stronger, and better at everything you do physically. A well placed bullet, and it doens't mean jack squat. So no, I don't find pewter any more OP than any other metal.

I think cognitive holdups need to be a bit more specific than "He's god". The theory revolves around Kelsier living not because people see him as god, but because they see him as a symbol of life and survival. I don't think Rashek has the specificity nor the worshiper-count to hold him down.

He was already the legendary Survivor in everybody's eyes, and before he died he did have that one line about being unkillable, so meh. And in any case we don't know how long it takes somebody to get permanently sucked away.

(Are we just going to speak in more and more legal-type language the further we go with this?) It's even better than getting to just read it, you get to be in the bendalloy bubble as it's written! Because you are the slider who maintains this bubble. You help write the books and become a happy part of writing process. Unfortunately, when all is said and done, Peter is revealed to be a misting as well, and he sets up a cadmium bubble even more powerful than your bendally bubble. By the time Peter seems to randonly drop dead via future bullet and you stumble out of the bubble, centuries have already passed and the world has ended, and you never got to talk to anybody about the book. You die all alone in the wasteland that will be our planet. I wish for a ghost saltshaker just like Brandon's. Because simple stuff is great and because that would be awesome. EDIT: *Insert lots of curisng here* I hate you all. Oh, somebody does. In the afterlife that is. As a part of the deus ex machina mentioned a few posts ago, a ton of other people died as well. They sat around, bored to death, talking things over into eternity. It's a really boring thing to read about. I wish for a ghost saltshaker just like Brandon's, and I've already explained why.

I'm not sure if it's been established yet, so here's my theory. Kelsier died in his stunt with the Lord Ruler, and yet somehow managed to stick around in the cognitive/spiritual realm instead of moving on. Brandon mentioned that sometimes people have something tying them down to the physical realm, which is a lot more plausible than saying it was sheer force of will, because there are plenty of other people who probably didn't want to move on either. Kelsier is the Survivor. He is god, essentially, to the skaa. Almost from the moment he died and all the way up to Alloy of Law, he's been worshipped as the Survivor, as the symbol of life. We already know what kind of an effect the belief of others has on the cognitive realm, so I propose the following: Thanks to the massive amounts of believers in him, Kelsier was able to "survive" death. The cognitive devotion of his thousands of followers is tethering him to Scarial, keeping him from moving on. So he hangs out with Sazed, maybe influences decisions, and possibly meddling with the cognitive realm using the power given to him by so much belief. Kelsier is alive because people see him as alive. Makes sense to me. Thoughts?

If you got an entire world to collectively believe that...say.... a wall was nothing more than a few stacked bricks, would forgery affect the entire thing anymore? Would the same thing work in reverse?

Yes, she did. There's no mention of her putting it back in after she curbstomps the guards. At least, I think not. Lemme get my copy of MIstborn. Edit: Alright, I checked. There is no mention of her putting it back in once she gets her stuff back. Either the inquisitors weren't worried about it or Ruin made sure they forgot about it.

I don't have to restrain myself from reading it, but if I do pick it up you'd better believe I'll read half of it before I'm done. My first read of WoK was a single day. I read the whole thing for the entire day and pretty much didn't stop until I was finished. When I re-read, I always read books the second time just as fast, so even though I'm still missing half of the smaller details, I'm missing a different half that time, and basically experiencing the book all over again. The third read I do a word-for-word, which is what I got stuck doing yesterday. It's a hard book to put down.

Lurching is a much more difficult skill than Coinjumping, thanks to their really screwed up flying abilities, so you'd need a rigged stadium to do the back and forth bullet deflection thing.I think they might be better off with a plate on the back as well. If they set theselves up like a slingshot and a 3-way pull, Lurchers can fling themselves. It would be pretty impressive to watch, and even more inpressive to see how they survive it.