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    : We've missed our chance. Kalli: We'll wait our turn. There's already four people playing and I don't want to interrupt them. When they're done, perhaps they'll invite me, or someone else will join. Can we play a practice round? I know you prefer it when I explain everything to you in words, but you're perfectly capable of using our senses. I can't know my side cards without you knowing them, and you can't keeps yours secret from me. Okay. If that's acceptable, then we can proceed. We'll play with full forty card main decks, my preferred variant for increasing the odds of hitting pazaak, alternating who goes first after every round.
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    If colors aren't available I can use different formatting instead.
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    Note that all of this conversation is happening internally, since Kalli, , and are all one dione.
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    Kalli: I find the most interesting part of pazaak is that many virtual decks are modified to hit twenty far more often than random chance would allow. Physical decks lacking this ability makes the game less enjoyable. : What does that mean? With four cards each numbering 1-10 in the main deck, the odds of hitting the goal of twenty should be purely based on what cards are still available. If the first three cards drawn in a round are 4, 7, 2, the odds of getting another 7 for a total of 20 should be 3/37. Yet it's commonplace for the odds of drawing a 7 in this scenario to be far higher than that. My favorite variant gives a second chance so long as the player's total is at least 10. In this case, it would randomly select a card and play it if it was a 7. If not, a second card would be drawn and played instead. Should a player's total be at least ten with at least five cards played including side cards, a third chance is given. Say that even with the increased odds, this player drew an 8 to bust at 21 and used a -3 side card to save the round. 18 is greater than 10 and with five cards played, the odds of getting a 2 increase from 3/36 ~= 8.333% to 1 - (33/36*32/35*31/34) ~= 23.6%. : Exactly! This variant can be easily adapted to physical decks by simply drawing two or three cards as needed and shuffling the deck afterwards. Additionally, this variant encourages greater risk by incentivizing players to keep drawing even when they already have high totals, which in turn makes it more important to bring side cards that reduce your hand's value or turn all drawn cards of a certain value negative for that round. I find all of this more interesting than standing on hands in the mid-teens and and occasionally using a positive side-card to boost them closer to 20. So are we going to play? Not yet. Pazaak is traditionally a two player game and since those two have already started playing, we have to wait for another interested player or for them to invite me. While we wait, we can practice with the solitaire version.
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    If both players agree to a shortened cycle and submit their votes and actions, the night and day turns can conclude at the usual rollover time in 8 1/2 hours.
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    Pretty common for diones I'd imagine.
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    Signing up as Kalli, , and , a dione.
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    Of course you would Sith.
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    Well there's nobody around right now so voting for Fifth or Alv won't be enough. @everyone I suppose if they want to vote for someone else.
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    Another suspect votes for Bookwyrm. I still prefer to vote Fifth and will switch back to that or Mat or Drake if viable, but currently the option is Alvron. I don't want to exe him and then have people just go back to Bookwyrm next cycle though. Would you vote for him if someone else did? Vote Tally Ookla the Perpetual/Bookwyrm (4): Ashbringer, DrakeMarshall, Fifth Scholar, Ookla the Tall Alvron (2): Madagascar, Ookla the Myopic Fifth Scholar (1): Devotary of Spontaneity
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    No support for voting Fifth I see. Mat and Fifth are fighting more but Fifth retracting his vote means that's no indication of not being paired. I still don't have much of a read on Bookwyrm since suspicion of him has always been wrong and I need to see his elim game to calibrate. @Ookla the Myopic if your primary motivation is saving Bookwyrm, do you have neutral to positive reads on Fifth, Ash, JNV, and Mad? Stomping a few tiny not-foods underfoot, Tania! finally made it back home, only to find it filled with even more of the creatures. She didn't need to eat, but consuming these infiltrators would be the most efficient way to clear them out of her cave. Before she could follow this course of action, she heard the approaching footfalls of another terentatek and turned to see Hanoi chasing yet another swarm of now-food. As It approached, It suddenly stopped, swiveled, and charged towards Tania! in a clear and uncharacteristically aggressive manner. With the advantage of surprise, Hanoi was able to sink Its teeth into her neck and jab Its tusks into her shoulder, but terentatek carapaces had been designed to withstand glowsticks and their blood ensured to be immune to their own venom. Tania! felt a shockwave of the same not-scent that she'd been pursuing ever since she'd woken up, but this time it originated from her and rippled outwards, scattering the maybe-food but leaving Hanoi entirely unaffected except for a stronger desire to tear her to pieces. If this was the same ability that prey used, it would never work on either of them, but it could affect their surroundings. She'd just experienced great pain both times it had happened, so perhaps that was the missing clue. She let Hanoi bite her again deepening the open wound and this time imagined a current like to one directing her to the false prey, aimed directly at the ceiling. Twenty terentateks worth of stone plummeted downwards, burying both of them completely.
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    Drake defending Mat and Fifth doesn't make that team seem less likely. Mat is putting a little suspicion on Fifth but since it's as e/e with Mad that's easy to do if Mat and Fifth are elims and Mad is village. That doesn't explain why Fadran is so eager to jump on that train. It adds some pressure but not that much since two other people also have two votes.
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    What about that post reads village to you? C2 you floated the possibility that the Silhouette train popped up to save Fifth but by C3 you were reading him as village and now still are. Possibly I'm misinterpreting your C2 post since Shining got a couple votes, then the Fifth train happened, then Hael started the Xino wagon while you relaunched the Shining push at Mat's suggestion. I think it's likely that at least one of you two and Mat is Sith. Fifth is probably the best choice here since much of this is based on Hael + you + Mat pushing the counterwagons to Fifth's exe D2.
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    Jedi apprentice has no way of knowing who's village either but that's still a 2/3 chance of guaranteed village which is how statistics work. I still don't know where I stand on Silho. There was some carelessness in past cycles and thanking the vote manip followed by saying it was obviously the Sith strikes me the wrong way, but he seems too willing to die for a Reborn and maybe the Sith would have fought harder since the vote was close enough to be loseable. More likely a Cultist if evil. If he's village, I'm leaning towards Fifth as the most likely Sith pushing the thread in that direction.
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    Jedi likely wouldn't do it unless they were extremely sure while a Sith would benefit from doing it regardless of Silho's alignment. One Jedi/apprentice sent in a protect, but that's not enough to be sure that another one didn't do the vote manip. That also means we can't make any solid conclusions about Turtle's role/alignment, though villager is still likely. Tania's eyes nictitated. She'd been approaching the prey species surrounding the rock when suddenly there'd been a current, not swirling and diffuse but directed right at one with a ragged covering, strong enough to be its source. She swung a claw experimentally and instead of pulling out a glowing stick to defend itself or dodging with the speed most prey were capable of, it simply came apart in a splatter of blood. The current stopped abruptly so perhaps it had been the source but was simply insufficient to help her. Tania! didn't have time to consider for shortly after the remaining prey fled the cave, she began to hear high-pitched wailing sounds, almost completely surrounding her. This wasn't something she could fight with claws or teeth or tusks, and approaching that awful keening was unbearable. She fled the cave far faster than she'd entered it and kept running back to the mountains until the sound faded away.
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    Mostly because you don't seem to care who dies + casually reading people village, which is more common in elims who know everyone involved is village. Can't actually be sure that Fifth and Xino are village though, so this isn't a clear reflection on your alignment. Something weird is going on with Fadran and Xino but I'm not sure it's elim-indicative.
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    I think it's unhelpful to soft Jedi as a means of getting people to remove votes on yourself unless death is assured otherwise. If that works all the Sith will do it too and it's not worth a Jedi claiming to ensure one Sith dies, so we'd have to push an exe through claims of losing every time. I'll put my vote on Shining Silhouette. What reasons do you have for being village that aren't threats?
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    Yes, and for many other people it's an excuse to change their vote later without explanation, which is elim-indicative. You've always been village when doing this though, so it isn't elim-indicative for you.
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    So it's very unlikely that either Fadran or Fifth did the vote manipulation at least. @Fifth Scholar do you still think it was a Jedi now that you know it was a vote moved to Szeth? Bookwyrm putting in a vote while making it clear he's willing to move it always reads suspicious but has historically never been so. Early Cycle Kill Rules: 1. Don't kill new players 2. Don't kill returning players 3. Don't kill players who died early in recent games 4. Kill TUN C1 of every MR (most important) The strange not-scent was pulling Tania! towards some sort of cave, an exciting thing to find away from any mountains. The entrance was sealed, but she had mastered the secret arts of fitting through standard doors. The inside of the cave was much smaller and brighter than her home and filled with both prey species and metallic not-prey. Many of them were circled around a large rock, not paying attention to her arrival. That area was where the pull was strongest, so she headed in that direction.
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    Did you paste this out of your doc? Mat voted for Silho, not Szeth, and that vote should have counted since it was before 01:00 and Kas's closing post. So there definitely was vote manip.
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    The cycle ended an hour earlier than I thought it would but my vote wouldn't have accomplished anything it seems. Someone moved a vote from Silho to Szeth, though it's unclear why since Silho wasn't in danger and both Jedi and Sith have better things to do when the vote isn't close. Maybe a Jedi who saw Mat's vote and wanted to make sure Szeth couldn't be saved if he was a Sith, or as Mat says someone who didn't see him retract and wanted to make sure Mad lived/Szeth died. Before that vote for Silho Mad was the better target to remove a vote from to kill Szeth, or xino before Fifth switched.
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    I personally don't think spamming apprentices is a good thing because of how much that lets the Sith cut down their Jedi search pool if even one Sith is inducted, disregarding any powers the Cultists might gain. I'm reading you worse than JNV for that since I'm fairly sure JNV believed that Reborn would be outed if the Jedi tried to apprentice them. More "I approved a game where just two elims get six votes" Getting closer, Tania! realized the pull felt similar to something she'd experienced right before she'd fallen asleep. She'd just killed a green-stick-prey with one swipe of her claws. It hadn't even put up a good fight, just stood there with one tiny fleshy hand outstretched. Its blue-stick companion, properly scaled and somewhat larger, though still very small, had screamed Tania! and charged her. Instinctively raising her arm to intercept the stick's path, a sudden surge of almost prey-scent swirled around her and then her prey had suddenly been launched backwards into the cave's walls, dropping the stick whose color and sound vanished, as they did for all fallen prey. She hadn't had time to examine that feeling then, as her next actions were automatic, charging forwards to clamp teeth down on her prey's vulnerable neck when suddenly the blue stick was in her prey's clawed hand and then in her heart and then she was falling into a long, dreamless sleep, her final thought that she would honor her fallen prey by taking its last utterance for her own. Recalling this now, Tania! tried to replicate the situation. Raising her arm did nothing, and she wasn't able to make the sounds her prey had. She'd killed plenty of blue-sticks before that last one so perhaps it had to be scaled prey? Whatever the case, fulfilling her purpose and exploring this unexplained phenomena might go claw in claw.
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    The main balancing factor is the ridiculously powerful vote manip both Sith have. With four cultists that's ten votes they can swing around if the Jedi/apprentices don't interfere, which can go up to 12 if one gets mind trick, 14 if two, etc. There's no village kill so protects aren't useful for that. The Sith can still be placed in the apprentice doc, they just won't get powers. Only push and sense are theoretically provable, and the Sith could probably fake those for quite a while (protect is only provable if it blocks a kill, redirect requires coordination which is risky with no PMs), so apprenticing isn't going to be particularly helpful for finding Sith. Cultist apprentices meanwhile know that every apprentice is not a Jedi.
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    Two cultists are more likely than one, since they don't need to be killed to win and only contribute a vote unless they're apprenticed or successored. That would give the elims eight votes total if they don't kill, six if they do, and more if cultists get their hands on vote manipulation. Jedi Mind Trick or Push can help against that, but can't be counted on. Tania! awoke to hunger, stronger than it had ever been, the only thing that could have dragged her out of millennia of restorative slumber. The dark side waxed strong once again on Korriban, bringing with it the familiar need to hunt down and destroy its enemies, but also something new. A pull, not quite a scent, pulling her to a collection of prey but not bringing with it the desire to kill or feed. Strange, as was the way the feeling flowed and eddied around those prey, a if diluted or distributed or perhaps unsure. This was the first time Tania! had ever felt unsure of anything, a problem that couldn't be solved with claws or teeth or venomous tusks. The only solution was to follow this pull to the center, so she headed towards where the flow was strongest.
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    Yes, the exclamation point is part of her name.
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