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I was really only talking about this case, the transition of your physical manifestation to the CR. At the end of the first WOB Brandon says This doesn't involve any simulacrum being created, everything in the cosmere is ultimately composed of investiture, just in different states. But those different states are important. To transition into the CR, whether through a perpendicularity or using the surge of teleportation, there is a necessary conversion to investiture to allow for the realmatic transition. We know that physical objects from the Physical Realm can transition and persist in the CR (Nazh's knife, the chain in celebrant, Riino's canned tuna, etc) but where the unexplored weirdness comes in is in the case of objects that seem like physical objects that are actually made of spren (dead shardblades, dead plate, fabrials holding living spren, Gavilar's black spheres, etc). What would happen if Navani went physically into the CR with one of Gavilar's black spheres in her hand, wearing dead shardplate, holding Oathbringer, and further had her panrial strapped on? Would those objects resist the transformation into the state of investiture that is necessary to physically transition (because investiture resists investiture)? How I think of this is that this type of transition, with all of these heavily invested items, would probably only be possible at a shard's perpendicularity. The surge of teleportation (according to the WOB spoilered below) is really the creation of a miniature perpendicularity, implying that it's a less powerful force for transitioning. The greater the Resistance, the greater the force needs to be to overcome that resistance. I would like to see Navani decked out as above and jump into Cultivation's perpendicularity. Would she come out in the CR with a dead eye spren in her hand? Would the black sphere shatter and release the odious spren? Would she be trapped under a pile of zombie cousin spren corpses? Would her fabrial break, letting out the pain spren trapped inside? Miniature Perpendicularity WOB (the relevant bits are down near the bottom)

Such a good song @Trentolio! Friday's Child (Nancy Sinatra)

Granted, the antidote is right there in front of you, in a tiny stoppered bottle on a quaint little table. There's even a cute little tag that in a delightful cursive script says Antidote. Unfortunately for you, your bane is that your arms have been replaced with stalks of broccoli. Try as you might, you can't remove the stopper from the bottle with your broccoli arms. But as you are in your dying throes, you kick the table and the bottle tumbles just right so that the stopper is dislodged and the vital antidote trickles into your mouth. And as a further silver lining, you are able to pose your broccoli arms in the most alluring fashion, so much so that you soon become "The guy" anytime anyone wants to shoot professional pictures of broccoli. I wish that I could control the passage of time with my wristwatch.

Can't argue with a fact. Fact: There is a God, and God created man in order for man to selectively breed wolves/jackals/dingoes to become dogs. The teleological principle is perfectly clear, God spelled backwards is dog. This is the alpha and the omega. "Who's fulfilling God's plan? This good boy is, give that good boy a biscuit." God watches and is content. All dogs go to heaven, some people do too.

Good points, the big bang was actually the first attempt to make a sandwhich and as you know it went horribly wrong. You have completely ignored the most important tastebud, that which senses umami. Fact: The human race was created to figure out how to cultivate and grow items with umami flavor (seaweed, mushrooms, etc).

No you're not. Sticks can't type. Fact: All pursuits are meaningless because in the timescale of the cosmos all actions are as meaningless as the fart of a gnat.

Just to throw this out there, there is the very real fact that Odium already selected his Champion, Dalinar, who he had been subtly pushing into this position with his proxy the Thrill. Really Cultivation's interference in Dalinar's development with his memories returning at key times, made this blow up in Odium's face. But he selected his Champion and it was in the presence of a Bondsmith, the fact that Dalinar very shortly after this did his famous hand clap and brought together the 3 realms seems even better than the signature of a notary public to make this contract binding. This was also the reason that Odium enlisted the help of the double-double agent Mr. T to pursue the mundane war in earnest. I think this might be setting the stage for a noble self-sacrifice on Dalinar's part, namely selecting anyone as the Champion contra Odium and then allowing himself to be killed by this Champion. This seems to me to be foolproof backup plan, in case the tide of the war is going poorly. This would buy time for the KRs and resuscitated Heralds to prepare for the final showdown with Odium.

I was typing this up when @robardin replied, but I agree Scadrial is by far the most likely source, and like he mentions, Stormlight Arc 1 takes place post Catacendre and pre Alloy of Law era, so it most likely was a fish that didn't choke on a bunch of ash too. Prior to Kelsier's destruction of the Pits of Hathsin, canned goods were Scadrial's primary planetary export.

My father in law just informed me that YouTube, Twitter and Facebook merged, so I looked up vaccinations on the new site, You Twit Face, and to my horror I discovered vaccinations cause baldness, ennui, and cravings for sardines!

And and most tellingly of all This is clearly fake news, I posit that Truthless of Shinovar and Frustration are deep fakes, a sign that Russia has been trying to influence the 17th shard. Putin's favorite cosmere story is 6th of the Dusk, and there has been a growing KGB presence on this site to sway more Sanderson fans to this position in order to have Brandon Sanderson write novels about tough dudes that like to not wear shirts.

Just what you'd expect a prisoner of a fixed timeline to say. In your world, the sequence of events seems set because you can't transition to the parallel worlds of alternate history. There's a parallel world where the Kennedy assassinations never took place, and by 2258 the earth is overrun with Kennedys. Just a fact man.

Welcome to the Shard, very interesting piece of evidence, the qoute you were looking for was in Chapter 68, Aim For the Sun, on page 679. A picture of that page is spoilered below for context. The quote you were looking for is this: There's more to the qoute, but the gist is there. After the Traveler came out, I always thought this was a promise that he made after the person that was very important to him died, a way to atone for his failure. But it's very interesting how it so closely parallels the Stoneward vow.

Mirrored Given such oppurtunity, they squandered it foolishly with such greedy hands. Lost in revery, a hyper-intelligent cephalopod looks down upon the dead planet, and recieves the last sentient thought from earth, a pathetic emanation from a dying cuttlefish. "Why with such greedy hands did they foolishly squander opportunity's gifts"?

Exactly, they were time traveling pan-galactic Marxists. The Kennedys were also time traveling aliens. Interestingly enough, every Kennedy was in fact part of a composite being, kind of like how separate cypress trees are part of the same single organism. Their home world of New Clam Chowder is overrun with white toothed, perfectly coiffed politician types, and their expansion into alien reaches of the galaxy was largely due to their desire to make speeches. Let's look at some countervailing facts. Blue is a hononym with blew (they blew their nose), while Red is a hononym with read (the misguided blue supporters read this post). It is clear that nothing truly great comes about because something blew anything (up, out, what have), but the fount of all knowledge flows from what is read.

Granted. The gem is a perfect saphire infused with stormlight, it's roughly the size of a tennis ball, and the light it produces is so brilliant you almost can't look directly at it. Unfortunately it's in the mouth of a very large and very angry cotton mouth snake. I wish Kings_way could safely retrieve their perfect gem without injury to their person or to the snake.

Granted. His name is Percival and he talks with a pronounced lisp (he's a snake after all). He's super friendly, he can actually even knot his body into a half windsor tie so you can go out and about with him without anyone noticing that you have a talking snake around your neck. He's oxford educated, is a wonderful conversationalist, and is also a great listener. He's very well read, and really that's the problem. There's no book that you read that he doesn't invariably read before you and he's always spoiling the endings. But as far as banes go that's not so bad. Just try and read the preview chapters of RoW while he's sleeping. I wish that cheetos had the same health benefits as celery.

Granted. But said cat is also a demon. It looks at you with its green glowing eyes, starts spouting free verse poetry, and distractedly plays with yarn as it eats your soul. It's great with legerdemain, but it's card tricks need some work. I wish I had a handle bar mustache that I could use to manipulate objects at a distance. You know, like they were real handles.

Me too. Maybe they can't transition to the CR because for people at least to transition they are converted into ivestiture and then into Cognitive matter (which I think is just investiture with a different type of spin). But investiture resists investiture, so there might be a fundamental mechanic that makes this impossible. Spren are made of cognitive matter, and they are drawn to certain phenomena, but only part of their cognitive form manifests in the Physical Realm. Maybe it could be something similar but in reverse with spren bound in a physical form going into the cognitive if it's possible at all. If they can transition to shadesmar, then Syl’s description of them as corpses is pretty suggestive. Maybe the shardplate would look like a lumbering, brainless Frankenstein type monster made up of corpses of spren smooshed together. I hope someone tries to take a fabrial into Shadesmar in RoW, if succesfull that would be very interesting to see how that works out. I always wondered during the journey through Shadesmar if it would have been possible for Adolin to summon Maya as a shardblade, it's been awhile since I've read OB, but doesn't Kaladin fight the fused in Shadesmar without using Syl as a shardweapon? Supporting WOBs spoilered below:

A little cremling in a triple breasted suit, wearing four adorable little shoes with spats, and a top hat at a rakish angle tap dances in from stage right holding a silver dome covered platter. You lift the lid and inside is a small piece of candy with a note that says "This is for your mom". Your bane is that anytime some one talks to you your eyes go crossed. I wish I had a pencil thin mustache.

It could be something as simple as they are fulfilling a fundamentally different role than deadeye spren. Shardplate exists to protect, shardblades exist to kill. The difference in sapience lost, and the difference in their roles I think goes a long ways towards explaining the difference between how a deadeye would view its lot in life and how a bound cousin spren would view its lot in life. The screaming that a Radiant percieves through their bond when they touch a dead shardblade seems to me to be a symptom of what the broken radiant spren has lost (most of their mind) and what they are forced to do (kill). This is probably just a function of the deadeye being a singular entity and shardplate being a composite entity. Dead shardblades can be bonded using investiture from infused gems. This creates a connection between the deadeye spren and the shardblade wielder, allowing the deadeye to return to the Cognitive Realm and to be summoned to the Physical Realm. This is a subset of the Nahel bond. Shardplate can be used by anyone, and further to be used it requires investiture from infused gems, and if damaged requires even more investiture from infused gems. This implies that living plate requires extra ivestiture, most likey supplied by the knight/radiant bond. With the bond severed between the knight, the radiant spren, and the conglomeration of spren that make up the plate, the plate just becomes a physical object. This might be something that they could solve in time, but it would be orders of magnitude more difficult it seems to me to establish hundreds of connections between a person and the composite spren of the shardplate. I think an appropriate (but entirely speculative) analogy would be if you view the nahel bond as a rope that stretches between the Radiant and their bonded spren, the connections to the cousin spren that form the plate would be like hundreds of threads that wind around the core rope and extend out to each individual cousin spren, like strings attached to balloons. Those strings can be used to pull the individual spren into the formation of plate, and based on the needs of deadplate, they probably serve as conduits for investiture to maintain the formation. But if the rope between Radiant and spren is severed, and the shardplate wasn't made maifest, they probably just scatter and dissipate, like balloons in the wind. But if they were manifest as plate when the bond was severed they maintain the shape of the formation, and have an inherent desire to keep maintaining that formation. Otherwise shardplate regrowth would be impossible. This sense of purpose, of fusing to become something greater than their individual selves might explain the contentment that Syl senses from the deadplate. Interesting points, it seems like Radiant spren receive an increased awareness from the Nahel bond, it stands to reason that the cousin spren might likewise receive a compensating increase in awareness too. And maybe, to use the balloon analogy again, the cousin spren might still have strings with an affinity for a particular bond...That would be pretty sweet if Adolin resuscitates zombified life spren in addition to bringing Maya back.

Really nice @TheDwarfyOne! Totally unsolicited advice spoilered below

Granted. It's in the mouth of a tiger though. I wish the tiger would drop your avocado.

I think the operative difference is that Cord's shardplate is not living shardplate, it's part of the physical remains from the Knight's broken oath. Just like breaking oaths turns a Higher Spren into a Deadeye, and if done while the spren is maifest as a weapon in the physical realm the weapon will remain, something similar most likely occured with summoned plate when the Radiants broke their oaths. Living plate is most likely as different from dead plate as a bonded sapient Radiant spren is to a deadeye shardblade. The individual cousin spren that make up the plate are most likely autonomous until through their bond they are summoned to become plate. They might have their freedom of movement restricted to within a certain radius of their knight like Syl does, but they should still be free until summoned. The cousin spren are also less sapient than Radiant spren, so the proximity to the Radiant might not even be an issue. There could be a third explanation for this, namely that like outlined above the constituent lesser spren maintain their autonomy and independent lives and, though bonded, are only summoned when the knight manifests their shardplate. Just like the delay of 10 heartbeats to summon a dead blade, there could be a gap between the desire to summon the plate and the manifestation of the plate due to the drawing together of the bonded lesser spren from wherever they happen to be (Shadesmar, frolicking at the crest of a highstorm, etc.) This doesn't bother me. A living Radiant spren in the form of a shardweapon can easily block another shardweapon. Spren are sapient pieces of investiture, the fact that a highly concentrated piece of investiture can destroy a smaller and weaker piece (Syl killing the odium spren) makes sense. The bond supplied by the Radiant and their spren to the lesser spren most likely just allows the cousin spren to fuse together into a larger conglomerate of investiture. Investiture resists investiture, but it's a matter of concetration too. I don't think anyone should try and block Nightblood using any type of shardweapon or plate. This could be something as simple as trapping numerous spren in the half shard, forming a concentration of investiture great enough to withstand the investiture of a shardblade. I do wonder if a half shard would be able to holdout against a living shardblade wielded by a 4th ideal radiant.