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Maybe Eshonai is only mostly dead, like Wesley in the Princess Bride. We just need a miracle Max (possibly Renarin) to answer the summons of her little golden ball spren, this also removes the pesky, controlling storm spren. There was another example of a person with access to the trasportation surge, likewise miraculously surviving a very fatal seeming event. Possible explanation, Jasnah used the transportation surge to move her heart into shadesmar before the blow was struck, and Eshonai Shadesmarred her lungs until the highstorm was over...

Thinking more about this, I think this might be a case for Kaladin's exceptionalism. Given that the most well documented form of Investiture in the Cosmere is Allomancy, and there are sub-groupings based on Physical/Emotional, Internal/External and Push/Pull, might not there be some similar logical groupings of surges. Each order of Knights Radiant shares it two surges with another 2 orders, might these distinctions manifest in Allomancy be one of the ways that the access to each surge is particular to each order. Like for example, Kaladin's use of Adhesion has been described as decreasing the pressure below the object that he is adhering, maybe the Bondsmith's use of this surge would be in increasing pressure above the thing to adhere. The one instance that makes me think this is the case is that Edgedancers and Dustbringers both share the surge of Abrasion (which really is just friction). Edgedancer's use this surge to reduce friction, but Dustbringers can make things catch on fire which seems like they are increasing the friction of a given system (creating heat and destruction). Edgedancers lubricate the ball bearings, Releasers cause the ball bearings to jam and the whole machine to catch on fire. Also, thinking along similar lines for the other orders that we have seen that share surges, the Truthwatchers and the Lightweavers share the surge of illumination. Might the division of this surge pairing be internal/external. Truthwatchers use the surge of illumination to see visions of the future (internal) while Lightweavers use the surge of Illumination to create illusions. Also the Lightweavers and Elsecallers similarly share the surge of Transformation, might the distinction here be emotional/physical? Shallan uses the surge of transformation to alter people's perception of who they are and who they could be (seems like an emotional transformation to me) and Jasnah uses her transformation surge to soulcast with exceptional mastery. The Kaladin issue would seem to be the one outlier, but given how much he has been referred to as "Son of Honor/Tanavast", this could be one of the manifestations of his exceptionalism that he can use both the push and the pull of the Adhesion surge. Maybe he is descended from an ancestor that Tanavast Euoropa-ed or IOed, or possibly he is descended from Jezrien. This is all just total speculation, but kind of interesting to think about shared surges and the possibility that there is specific implementation of a given surge for a given order.

I think the reason for this is that adhesion carries some symbolic significance. It is the tendency of dissimilar elements to stick together, this ties in better with Kaladin's secondary divine attribute of Leading better the pressure and vacuum do. Also the discussion of how the surge of adhesion works is to show the cause of the effect, if you were describing just the effect adhesion seems like a good descriptor. But the thing that is rad about this is that with the discussion of the actual principle behind the effect, you have the ability to do a lot more with it. The best thing about Brandon's magic systems is his near limitless ability to extend them, and the forces of pressure and vacuum have a lot more room for extension (I think) than causing things to stick to each other (though it would be funny to see Kaladin recreate that super glue commercial where the guy is stuck to the bottom of a bridge by his hard hat).

Here is the WoB on how time works on Roshar. A rosharian year has 500 days, but each day is only equivalent to 20 earth hours in length, giving the total earth hours for a year on Roshar a value of 10,000 hours. One earth year is 8,766 hours long, so one Rosharian year is really equivalent to 1.14 earth years. So if Shallan is 18 in world years old that would be an earth equivalent age of 20.52 years old. Adolin, if he is 24 rosharian years old would be 27.36 earth years old.

I am pretty sure that this is something different. I think that Kaladin is directing the windspren and creating essentially a large air foil. Are there any WoB that state specifically that the surge of adhesion only can lower pressure? If it can lower and increase pressure, then I can see that a properly formed windspren windfoil with pressure applied in the right fashion would allow an incredibly strong wind to be parted. Also, if the surge of adhesion allows for the increasing of pressure as well as the lowering of pressure, this has some pretty freaking rad implications. Picture this, Kaladin has 1/2 of his weight lashed upwards and the other 1/2 of his weight lashed towards the horizon, could he use the surge of pressure to swoop up (lowering the pressure above him like a human airplane wing) and swoop down (increasing the pressure above him like a racecar airfoil)? Also, the Bernoulli effect holds in all fluid systems, so could Kaladin create an air bubble around his head and propel himself through water at ridiculous speeds? Could he be superman and freaking Prince Namor? Master of the Sky and Sea, pretty rad to speculate.

Hello 17th sharders, tip of the hat to you all, you do amazing work. So, I have been doing some high level speculating as to the nature of Investiture on Roshar, and have some thoughts that I would like to get feedback on. So we know that the number 10 is an important number on Roshar, and that the 2 shards Honor and Cultivation each have 5 surges associated with them. Honor has the 5 surges of emotion and Cultivation has the 5 surges of natural forces. Further, each order of Knights Radiant has access to 2 surges, one from Honor and one from Cultivation (with the possible exception of the orders that are in the God Eye positions (bondsmiths deriving 2 surges from Honor and truthwatchers deriving 2 surges from Cultivation)). I've seen speculation that voidbinding will have 10 orders, and this does seem plausible given that Brandon is a fan of Symmetrical systems. This is the speculation, what if Voidbinding was a mixture of 5 Odious surges with the 5 surges of Cultivation. Honor and Odium seem like diametrically opposed intents, and I find the idea of them mixing very problematic. But Cultivation is an end neutral force, it doesn't have a goal it simply is. There are positive and negative aspects, and given that it's alignment is probably Lawful Neutral, it could mix with both Honor and Odium providing access to it's surges to both of 2 other shards invested in the Rosharian system. This is a kind of symmetry that allows for balance but a great degree of difference between voidbinding and surgebinding. Also it would be fun to see how the parallel systems are similar and how they are different. This said, I think the fused seen in the final Kaladin chapter in Oathbringer are using the surge of Gravitation (from Cultivation) and have a voidish surge in reserve that they weren't using at that time. Maybe the reason that they are seen bobbing like kites, not in full control over their flying isn't that they have little practice, maybe it's the nature of how they control the surge. The Nahel bond is a friendly agreement, the voidish bond that grants access to the surge is probably more of a domination of the surge, like they have to fight or master it to use it. The speculation that maybe Odium is complete and unalloyed in the extension of his Investiture, composed of 10 specific surges doesn't feel right to me. Because it would be too much of the case that he is simply the inversion of the Honor. Like deciding his forms of investiture were like a playground squabble: "You got a stick, well I have a really pointy stick. Oh you have a rock too, well my rock is obsidian and it's really sharp." This seems like a petty and boorish way to develop his investiture. I think we totally don't have enough information on the nature of Cultivation yet to do much more than reasoned conjecture, but holy crap this book is so amazing and it's fun to build castles made of speculative sand. Looking forward to your thoughts.