Eluvianii

Oathbringer:

I think the scene between Kal and Laral in Oathbringer was kinda cute, hope we get somewhere from there. Sure, he's angry at her for not being a damsel in distress (really, Kal?) and she's angry at him for thinking it was that easy, and for have wanted her to be a damsel in distress (I don't blame her) but from the way Kal talked about her to Syl afterwards, it just seem like a childish kind of anger. I really hope those two see each other again to see what happens.

So, basically, the only point we disagree on in the end is whether Jasnah will become more social or not. My guess is that she will, yours is that she will not. We'll have to wait for that, I'm just based on the hints we get about her; enjoying conversations where she makes and receive witty comments and all that but I guess in the end all my theories are about what I want to happen so that leaves me pretty biased. That's kinda what I was thinking, that she's been like this for so long she no longer knows how to go back. Well, there may be already something in its way if everything goes well for Adolin.

Yes, she is a cold hearted killer. Yes, the odds of surviving the desolation are practically zero and someone like her is probably what Alethkar needs right now but, not THAT cold hearted, we don't need another Blackthorn. That's where the growing comes into play, I'm not talking about the person Jasnah is right now but about the person she will become. She isn't some perfect version of herself who already has learned everything she has to learn, what would be the point in having her in the story then? My point is reduced to; there are seven books left, her character will definitely develop in that time, she will change, and most of the time when that happens, other people are involved, and you never know what will happen with that people. Maybe she'll just accept some advice from time to time and learn from that, maybe she'll make a lot of close friends to guide her or maybe she'll fall in love and learn from that experience. Most of what I said is so improbable it makes me want to laugh but like I said, you never know. Just don't let her die the way she is now because, seriously, she still feels incomplete to me. Just saying.

Wow. That's a rather pessimistic way of seeing things, in general. In a series where moving forward even after a life spent among suffernig and mistakes is a recurring theme, Jasnah doing that would give the idea that she just gave up, no hope for her. Of course they are not equals, we rarely are on equal ground with anyone except friends around our same age. The same way a person doesn't need to be on equal terms with their parents to trust them and vice versa, Shallan doesn't need to be on equal terms with Jasnah to do the same. I've given advice to my parents and grandparents on ocassion, even a teacher a time or two, the same way they give it to me, things like that are perfectly normal. And Shallan and Jasnah already have been in that situation, Shallan was worried about Jasnah and tried to help her when they were on the ship, and Jasnah tried to do the same for Shallan in Urithiru. At this point they're practically half-way through a normal adult-child friendship, I don't know what could ruin it. And being a scholar is probably the only one out of all the things she's doing right now that's basically a dream of her. Take that from her and things might get ugly.

That's precisely the reason why she has to grow, she'll be forced to now that she's facing so many responsibilities she hadn't before. And I guess an arranged marriage would help know what her position is on the matter. For all her negatives towards marriage I still don't quite get if it's because she doesn't like the concept of marriage or if it's just that no one has been worthy so far. Maybe but she still isn't a full fledged scholar so it's likely going to continue at least for now, besides the main reason she's still her ward is to teach her to be a Radiant IIRC, even if Jasnah herself is still learning. And my point was about their relationship. There will be a time when the wardship is over but that is by no means reason to go back acting like strangers. Wait, what? Jasnah and Szeth? That would be interesting to say the least. But they're certainly similar in some ways. I don't know about something romantic but now I'm definitely looking forward to their interactions.

I see a lot of people talking about Jasnah as if she's already post-developing (don't know if that makes sense), which I think she's not. I think logic is for Jasnah what the multiple personas are for Shallan, just a lot healthier. She had trouble as a child, we still don't know what it was but from what we know it was enough to break any normal person, let alone a child. So she starts relying in logic, this helps her move on and overcome what other people say about her (they do say people saw her as kind of a freak while she was ill, right?). But as she grows alone, she stays that way. While reading I had the impression she wanted that to change but considered there were more important things to do and ignored it. She still has space to grow and a lot of time (anything can happen in seven books) so I wouldn't say her being in a romantic relationship wouldn't help her with that. I still think it's unlikely though. I can't imagine what kind of person Jasnah would fall for. Now, as for that person being Kaladin I really don't think we'll even get close. Actually, I have the theory he was just the last one to arrive in the trio that are Adolin, Shallan and Kaladin. Adolin can talk with her as if it is nothing because they're cousins. Shallan is just similar to her in the correct way and even managed to be accepted as her ward. Again, nothing weird about them talking normally. And Kaladin, well, is Kaladin. He isn't afraid of talking back to just about anyone. I can just picture those three being seen as the weird trio that talks to the storming queen as if hanging out in a bar. It would be good for her too.

If they can make air solid, virtually they could fly, though the way I imagine it, it may be a bit uncomfortable and probably would consume a lot of stormlight. But using the same concept. Could they shape air and water around themselves so they can dive with an air bubble of sorts to breath and reshaping water behind them to move more easily?

1. He would write a page every day and that page would be longer than any book you've ever read. 2. One for each prophet, as they probably hold the Earth equivalent of a shard. 3. Probably surges, I remember Jesus using at least regrowth, soulcasting and probably something with cohesion. 4. Why, of course. Where do you think all those Christianity branches come from? 5. Only if she can find another secret.

Actually remember in the first book when he's seeing shadows everywhere and then Shallan, in the process of becoming a Lightweaver starts seeing things that match with Elhokar's? I was pretty sure since there that he was going to be one but since they stop mentioning them in the second book, I forgot. Then my dreams were destroyed during the attack on the palace.

So, he's keeping quiet what he can but has hinted that maybe, just maybe without confirming or denying it, people on Roshar will start to discover other ways to do it. Great, now I'm even more curious and we're at least two years away from the answers.

Until now every Radiant that has appeared has had issues. Big issues. But now they are saying you have to be like that in order to becme one. Now, people with problems are common, depression, guilt, loss, things like that aren't hard to find but I think almost every character in Stormlight has suffered more in three books than the average person will in a lifetime. The Radiants were a big force back in the day, big enough to command a war over the storming world so we can assume there were thousands of them. So, if you really have to be broken to become a Radiant, either the requirements are not as high as they seem and you could become a Radiant after only feeling guilty for killing ants as a kid or something, in which case the protagonists are just those who have suffered the most, hence the more suitable for a good story and accomplishing big things, or simply Roshar is just a really, really harsh planet to live in.

When you see a tiny little black dot in the air and then it dissapears and you ask yourself what kind of spren it was

@StrikerEZ That sounds like a must, I love everything relating/resembling Sherlock Holmes, I'll definitely check it out. @goody153 I actually don't have anything against vampires or romance, storms, the three things I mentioned have at least one of those each, I just don't very much like the way most YA authors put it but this might be interesting. As for Percy Jackson, I'm planning on reading it in the future but I think it's not what I'm looking for right now.

Thank you, guys, you really helped me out here, most of what you mentioned appears to be just what I was looking for. I actually can't believe I hadn't found any of these before, there are far more than I expected. I think I'll check Dresden Files first but as these all seem to be rather long series I think I may finish when SA 4 comes out. Really, thanks.

I really hope this is in the right category. So, I've been reading XxxHolic and, along with Monogatari and Kara no Kyoukai, I just LOVE its take on the supernatural. So I thought I'd look for books with a similar approach, something a little less anime-esque. Thing is, I can't seem to find any. I don't know if I'm just looking with the wrong tags or something but every time I type "supernatural" vampire romance pops up, a lot on vampire romance, and everything derived from it. So I was wondering if you guys knew something that resembled that. Things with that wide a variety of concepts and creatures, and how the supernatural seem to connect with human nature rather than be a separating line, etc. I'm not even making sense describing it but I hope you get what I mean, any ideas?

The Emperor's Soul: Edgedancer:

@Weltall That's, actually a pretty good idea. Becoming a saint by having a genocide god, to give you advice, it's quite the irony.

When while while exercising during military service you're about to faint but tell yourself "If Kaladin can run with a bridge, I can do this"

Hmmmmm if I can choose any cosmere character I probably would choose Syl and Vin. Syl would be like "Trust him, he is a good man" and Vin would just reply "It's a scam".

I guess the first fantasy book I read was Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, but I love HP practically since I was born so it kinda was its own thing to me. It wasn't until I was 12 I think that I stumbled into a copy of The Neverending Story in my school's library. It changed everything. Granted, it took me still several years to fully get into fantasy but it all started there, it's a book that every time I read it, I like it a bit more and it even seems to me that it gets deeper in meaning, I don't know how to explain it but it might be my favorite book to date. A fun thing is that I still have my school's copy of the book. It was in pretty bad shape when I borrowed it and when I tried to return it they wanted me to repair it. I didn't have any idea how to do that and they didn't ask me for it a second time, sooooo that was it.

@Gargoyle I'm not sure how to respond to that (English is not my mother tongue) but I think it would be Eluv-yani, it comes from the Zapoteca culture from Mexico, originally it was spelled Guendabiaaani if I remember correctly but my parents adapted it to be a bit more reasonable. And actually I started to listen to their music recently, a friend of mine told me I had to because it sounded like my name and I'm glad she did.

Eluviani is my real name. I like it because it's kind of a weird name and I've never met anyone else who has it. Besides it sounds cool, it's on the weird side but still pronounceable so it just fits in everything I want it to. I like to think of it as the best birthday present I've been given.

The Hero of Ages: The Way of Kings: Words of Radiance:

For me it's Surgebinding and AonDor. I love the concept of the ten orders and each one having a different ability for a different purpose. As for AonDor, every magic system based on writing is something I find fascinting, besides, it works like coding and as a programmer (well, in process) it's impossible not to feel interested.