IcaroRibeiro

Up this thread because it deserves more appreciation. Nice work

I was really happy for him, hope to see more about him in next book

POV characters (the ones I can remember): Lawful Good: Dalinar, Kaladin Neutral Good: Navani, Adolin, Eshonai, Rlain, Teft Chaotic Good: Lift, Taln, Lopen, Syl ‐------ Lawful Neutral: Szeth, Rock, Sigzil True Neutral: Jasnah, Renarin (so far), Rsyn, Pattern, Venli (was neutral evil untill last book) Chaotic Neutral: Shallan, Hoid, Ash ------- Lawful Evil: Rayse-Odium (not the vessel himself, but he's subject of the rules of his powers), Moash (as Vyre, originally true neutral) Neutral Evil: Taravangian Chaotic Evil: Lezier We don't have his POV yet but I'm sure Gavilar is Neutral Evil

So we got a confirmation all Heralds turned to swordmasters after 2 thousand and half years of fighting in desolations According to Stormfather Ishar was average in ability, while Talenel was the best no-contest. So, just for fun, make your ranking of Herald's dueling proficiency Here's mine based on the nature of their surges and their likely interests: 1) Talenel 2) Chanarach 3) Jezrien 4) Battar 5) Nale 6) Ishar 7) Vedel 8) Kalak 9) Shalash 10) Pailliah Chanarach is the matron of dustbringers, who are the most war-like order after Stonewards and their ideal is about self mastery. I'm sure she was a warrior even before the desolations and the Oathpact and I actually believed she was the best swordmaster among the Heealds before reading ROW Jezerien comes next, he's a general and a king and Windrunners while mostly scouts are also an war-like order At first I thought Battar would be in the bottom of the lost, but Elsecallers ideals are about becoming the best versions of themselves, hence I think she seek to improve other time for the sake of her own personal intenet Nale also belong to a military order, although not exactly a warrior one so I give him the sixth spot Vedel Abrasion is really useful for combat and Edgedancers are scouts and field surgeons, I'm mostly giving her seventh place because Truthwatchers looks more scholarly and Lightweavers more any artists and spies, meanwhile Willshapers were mostly engineers and builders. To reflect the nature of their Radiants I sorted Heralds alike

I don't think she's trapped in the tower Godspren nagel bond doesn't quite look like the standard Truespren bond. Stormfather can cross all Roshar and maintain his bond with Dalinar, I'm sure the Sibling can let Navank goes to anywhere However she's a scholar, not a warrior. Her surges aren't about fighting either, I think she will just stay in Urithiru for most of her time

lmao

Ishar betraying the Heralds

Ok... but why? I knew it was the scene in the exact moment I've read it. It was the single most eventful and game changing event in the series so far

It's a good way to prevent war to become too much stale So far if you kill a Fused or Radiant they can be replaced and doing this the war could last years and decades It also replace a new oathpact to stop Fused to comeback, I was getting afraid Sanderson would send some radiants to endure torture on Braize until SA6. Anti voidlight solution is good enough to stop the war, even if it's not enough to stop Odium

Epigraphs of part 1 and 2 are ok to read before the chapters Epigraphs of part 3... I don't recommend read it, but you can try I guess... Don't read epigraphs of part 4 and 5 ahead of the chapters unless you want to spoiler yourself

I don't disagree, the point is the scope of this book is so far the biggest of the series, and I understand why people found it rushed and shallow compared to books 1 and 2 I just stated that I found Kaladin arc pointless compared to other POV characters. His current arc does not have the same sense of urgency and importance in the middle of a worldwide war that can turn human as a non-dominant specie of a Roshar In doing so much POV of heavy importance he's risking not giving enough time screen to that POVs and, on this book, I felt Venli was the most sacrificed character and If have to choose a character to diminish in order to give her more time this character was going to be Kaladin Besides half of Kaladim chapters were not about him struggling against mental illness, rather him fighting and hiding again and again. The Pursuer looks a character created only to give Kaladin more fighting scenes as otherwise Urithiru wasn't going to have much action

His arc was by no means the core of this book. This book main arc was a book about Navani studying Light and bonding the Sibling in the process, this is what the book was about. You can remove Kaladin entirely and it won't affect the narrative of any other character in the book I understand Kaladin is a fan favorite, but this alone isnt enough for him sustain a narrative. He's not as attached to the war and its events as, let's say, Dalinar who is the head of Alliance and is directly interacting with Odium. He can't be like Shallan who live between two worlds and discover secrets from Cosmere and beyond. He can't be the bridge to unit Singers and Humans like Venli or Rlain. He's not attached to the deep secrets involving the Desolations, Heralds and the gods. He refounded the order of Windrunners and was important to prove how darkeyes and lighteyes can work together, but it's over now I understand the concern about too much things happening at the same time and the lack of time to develop personal relationships in the same level of book 1 and 2, but that's because books 1 and 2 barely have 3 main characters to develop, now we have a dozen. What happened with Venli this book (it was supposed to be her book and she turned out to be pretty much a secondary POV of Navani's arc) happened because Sanderson is refusing to decrease screen time of characters that doesn't have much to do now (Adolin and Kaladin, to be exactly)

I also don't like the Pursuer What a pointless character. Sometimes I feel Kaladin is favorite Sanderson character and he feels he need to always give a plot of many chapters and significance to him. I thought Adolin was going to be the pointless POV of this book, but honestly Kaladin is by far the character with the weakest storyline in the series in both Oathbringer and Rhythm of War Kaladin role in this book should be far far minor and personal. He wouldn't even be fighting, or hiding. I'm my opinion, he had to be the minor character of Group 1, getting only a few viewpoints before swearing his fourth ideal To be honest he's swearing the fourth ideal or not was not even important to save Urithiru. In the moment Navani bonded the sibling and the Radiants awaken everything was going to be fine already Sanderson now set him up for an even more stupid plot (helping Ishar mental healthy? Wtf). I also don't like the prospect of him joining Szeth in his pilgrimage, just doesn't make any sense for me. Why not admit the character importance stopped in Words of Radiance? Kaladin keeps getting much more plot importance than needed even when the story is not about him. I would forgive it, if his plot were at least interesting and revealing, but they are not For instance Shallan arc was good to increase the book scope and lore (she found a Herald, went to Last Integrity, painted the Truespren and discovered about Ba-ado-Mishiran). Kaladin arcs was completely useless. He crawled in Urithiru for 300 pages and swore his 4th ideal when he doesn't even need to. Honestly you could remove him and I'm sure Navani, Venli and Lift could make the plot work just fine. Underwhelming

My theory is Shallan bonded Testament and swore the first ideal and then told a simple truth (something about her home and her parents a children concern maybe). Point is, Testament accepted her truth and then Shallan started Lightweaving Her mother saw she is a surgebinder, her mother was somewhat linked to a group who wants to prevent desolations to happen. In one night, her mother asked her if she is a Radiant, and with the honest, even knowing her mother could hurt her, Shallan spoke her second truth "I'm a Radiant/I'm a surgebinder" This was enough for her mother try to kill her, Shallan was protected by Testamentblade, who she conjured without realizing she could. She murderer her mother in the process The shock of killing her mom lead her to break her oaths, starting lying she isn't a Radiant, rejecting her powers. This destroyed her bonds, but she kept her shardblade She used the same shardblade the whole Words of Radiance, being able to use Patternblade only in Oathbringer We must also to understand the "truths" Shallan needs to say are things she don't want to admit to herself, things that she rather hide. In WOK she was conscious of her killing her father, and she didn't regret that, she did it because she wanted to protect her siblings. She was hiding it just for a matter of convenience So her truths were, for Testament: 1° "I don't like to live my parents, they fight/arguing so much" (Don't want to admit, because children aren't supposed to dislike their parents), second ideal enough to lightweaving and bonding Testament 2° "Yes mom, I'm a Radiant" (Don't want to admit, because it would out her in danger), third ideal enough to get a blade 3° Rejected her truths, started lying, broke her oaths. Stopped surgebinding but kept her blade For Pattern: 1° "I am terrified" (Don't want to admit her plan was stupid, she was weak, she was going insane and wanted to be at home), second ideal enough to start soulcasting and lightweaving, and get Pattern too 2° "I killed mom and let dad take the blame" (Don't want to admit she was the root cause of her family breaking apart), third ideal enough to get Patternblade 3° "I've broken my words and turned my first spren a deadeye" (Don't want to admit she was one of the reasons why Spren still not trusting humans even in this age), fourth ideal, pretty sure she has her Shardplate now as long as almost limitless Lightweaving abilities

It was Taravangian ascending

Taravandium

I'm happy Kelsier is Thaidakar I never dealt well he didn't die for real after Final Empire and stayed on Scadrial as a cognitive shadow. Sanderson can now really kill him and I'll cheers when this moment finally come

Yup, I mentioned two of them, then I remembered the spoiler restriction and edited

I think it's time to update this thread

Ok, now that makes sense. Thanks

I'm not sure if it was mentioned or implied I understood it was a text book created for some scholar trying to experiment voidlight and Stormlight interactions This book was likely not written by a Fused, but referenced El as an ancient scholar, who is a Fused. All Fused were trapped in Beaize after the Last Desolation So I guess it was somewhere before the last desolation, when the Fused still coming to Roshar and worked alongside common singers living Roshar I still have no idea who written this though

Actually in both cases Dalinar winning or losing Rayse promised to stop the war. If Dalinar win, he got Alethkar and Herdaz back, otherwise the loses them What Rayse wants from him is to be his minion to fight against other shards End goal from Odium was never human extermination, just leaving Rosharan system. In the current Desoluation he's trying to overwhelming humans until a Bondsmith offer him freedom. He even promised to leave both Singers and Humans alone to make peace if Dalinar lose, as long he's unchained from the system Notice, Odium could just make such a proposal if humans were really terrified to lose, which lowkey is not happening currently When he saw he couldn't force Dalinar to freed him, he decided to given up his freedom and just finish the war with humans, collect what he could grooming a new general (Dalinar) to fight for him in his shards-wars.

Probably my favorite Stormlight book so far I really loved all 3 groupings and their storylines. The book is very fast paced and with very few slow parts. I'm still shocked I managed to read all its 117 chapters and interludes in just 4 days, I spent over 2 weeks to read Oathbringer. I'll soon read the book again from start again, to make sure I haven't lost anything What a awesome book. I think as far as storyline goes Sanderson reached its peak with this one. There is just so much information, so many things going on, everything just connects so well The only part I found a really of was Dalinar visiting Tukar, felt rushed and disconnected. It just didn't align well happening at the same time as Urithiru events Everything else was too great for me. I cried two times, first with Maya revealing the spren has chosen to sacrifices themselves, probably to end the war and the powers humans were awakening. And the second time was Leshwi asking Venli if Spren has forgiven the Singers. I also shred a single tear for the final Eshonai chapter. Singers suffered so much I'm starting to rooting for them win this war... Rlain finally a Radiant! I was wishing he could be a Bondsmith, but looks like Listeners won't joing humans just yet. Makes sense, I wouldn't support humans in their place either. Anyway Truthwatcher really matched his calm, silent and thoughtful personality Shallan accepting his fourth truth and finally breaking out with the Ghostbloods, finally girl! I don't think she was another truth though, can't see her reaching fifth ideal. And her box now has a Seon. And Kalak joining her and Adolin was totally unexpected too, it put both in a interesting place in the start of book 5, I'm not sure if they can reach an Oathgate in just 10 days, seems like their plot will mostly take place on Shadesmar So Kaladin will join Szeth pilgrimage... it doesn't seem quite fitting? Not really convinced, but guess Sanderson just couldn't think anything else to do with Kal for book 5 The epigraphs were breathtaking. New shards just revealed? Notes from Kalak? And who is El, why his book made me terrified? Even Lezier is afraid of him... he is going to be the "Raboniel" of book 5 it seems Talking about Raboniel I loved her and her interactions with Navani who was the true main character of the book, sorry Venli. The Sibling is just marvelous, probably my favorite spren now as well my favorite Radiant-Spren couple, surpassing even Shallan-Pattern It's interesting how much time and effort the spent studying basic physics concepts to make Navani chapters feels deeper and much more immersive, although many people must find it boring nonsense I really appreciated that, never saw anything alike in fantasy stories, only on scifi novels. I'm confident he will make a wonderful work writing his scifi series for Mistborn final trilogy Venli flashbacks are tied with Dalinar as my favorite in the series. Dalinar chapters were more emotional and more important for character building, Venli flashbacks uncovered so many secrets and gave me a new perspective of events, as well new things to speculate, it was a kind of flashbacks that made Stormlight even bigger in scope. I'm happy she finally become a Radiant, hope she leads the Listeners well Now about the end... What happened in chapter 113... I was never expecting anything like that to happen before book 5 Let alone expecting that was happening the way it happened It was so far the most shocking event in the series surpassing the "Parshman are voidbringers" plot twist in end of The Way of Kings This is a true defining moment for Stormlight. I don't think we will get anything like that until the final books of the back 5 Brandon what else can you make to surprise us above this? I can't think anything, but well... after reading ROW I learned to never underestimate him again

I'm sure this was the scene Brandon said he envisioned even before writing The Way of Kings He stated Stormlight Archive has some few outlining points which all the story plot lines revolves around This was one of them, there is no doubt here

This... actually makes a lot of sense