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Apparently it's the second highest (highest?) sign up day in history. Nothing like the word Unpublished to get hearts a'flutter. It gets more Sanderfans on the Shard so I'm happy about it

I approve, but for Stick to replace Zucchini as the most extreme negative rank. And Zucchini to be moved above God Beyond. Never trust the Stick. ALWAYS trust the Zucchini. O' Zucchini. Your skin so dark and flesh so tender. Your shape so long and o so slender. Your charming smile and eyes so bright. O' Zucchini. You're mine tonight.

They cannot surgebind without the blades They can use fabrials, as Nale did in WoR. But that would require someone to use it on her, and it only works for a very short time after death. So it shouldn't be possible unfortunately. But it was a nice catch.

You know the world's a Sanderfan when the admins have been deleting fulfilled requests and still this

Sorry @Zinnny I just read this, I posted a theory related to it here. Basically my theory is that other Cognitive Shadows don't need investiture regularly to stay alive. I think it's a built-in feature in the case of Returned, because of the Shard Endowment. Endowment is about giving. Therefore not only does someone (probably) need to be a giving person to be offered the chance to Return, and not only does Endowment need to give to that person - but that person, the Returned, to stay alive, needs someone else to give to them. It's a cycle of giving Endowment wants. I don't think it's a realmatic reason that applies to other Cognitive Shadows (though I could be wrong). I think it's a deliberate feature so that only a Returned that convinces others to give to them will survive. It creates entire cultures centred around the concept of giving.

Thanks @Lord Maelstrom . And sorry, you posted quickly after I accidentally posted, I noticed this after editing. So yeah entirely right, it may just be the fact there’s a physical body. But I feel like that’s wrong. The Heralds probably don’t need investiture to survive. But more than that I feel that the act of ‘stapling’ a CS onto a body has no inherent realmatic reason why that should require investiture on an ongoing basis to maintain that connection. That doesn’t make logical sense to me, even though we’ve always been told that. I believe, assuming Kelsier has a body, he won’t have the same requirement. You have an interesting point about the non-magical living requirements. They don’t need to eat, so maybe it’s like healing, where their body constantly matches their spiritual ideal, and that takes kinetic investiture, rather than innate investiture, to do – and that need for kinetic investiture is why they need Breath. Buuuut – I feel that’s not right in this case. Could be though. Which is why I posted this theory - to discuss

An issue of Cognitive Shadows, immortality and Returned is raised quite often. I’ll say very simply why I think Returned need investiture to stay alive, while other Cognitive Shadows don’t seem to. The Shard that Returns them is Endowment. The Intent is about giving. The conclusion of their ‘life’ will be to give their Divine Breath away. But the continuation of their life depends on others giving to them. We know that “The means of getting powers—Ruin stealing, Preservation gifting—are related to the Shards, but not the powers themselves.” So yes, it’s probably likely a person, to Return, has to give of themselves during their lives to be offered the chance (both Lightsong and Blushweaver did so). But much more importantly, I believe the only reason Returned need investiture regularly to keep their body stapled to their Cognitive Shadow is because Endowment regards ‘giving’ as a two-way process. She gives to someone that has given themselves, but she also makes it so that person cannot survive unless others give to them. So nothing realmatic, nothing that affects the way we think about other Cognitive Shadows, nothing innate to Cognitive Shadows. Returned are unique in needing investiture because the Intent of their Shard demands it. It’s not enough to give to others. You have to persuade others to give to you. There are other obvious possibilities - it could be actually having a body. Other Cognitive Shadows we've seen haven't had physical bodies, and others like the Heralds seem to be slightly different. But I think it's not the body itself. I think a Cognitive Shadow stapled to a body from another magic system (let's say Scadrial - if Kelsier gets one) will not need investiture to keep them 'alive'. We'll see. I'm curious to hear any counter-arguments. But yeah, I think it's purely the nature of the Shard in this case. Discuss!

Thanks Maxal, that's all good, I figured you would remember it being a WoB and as you do (and Calderis does as well) it should be out there.

So I expanded my search to the forums. The only reference I can find to this, particularly with some of the words you guys mentioned, was from @maxal in two different posts. main one here Maxal, do you know where you got the idea that Shallan was on the lower boundary of age limitation for forming a Nahel bond? Do you have a source? Is it possible that you heard it second-hand and repeated it? I don't think I've seen you be mistaken on something so I suspect you got it from somewhere reliable, but at the moment you are the only source I can find. It's possible this'll end up going on the Unmaking the Canon thread but I also feel like I heard it somewhere, so I suspect it's just hard to locate

Yeah I've done as full a search as I can, theoryland with every combination of old, young, age, nahel, shallan etc and the same with reddit, and the same with my collection of WoBs post-theoryland. If it exists its probably either an obscure webpage or something posted on the Shard that's difficult to search for (a spoilered WoB for example).

Aahh South Africa's Canberra My family's from Durban but I've spent a fair bit of time in Jo'burg and been briefly to Pretoria. Enjoy your time here!

Where in South Africa? I'm aussie but my dad is South African, I've been there many many times

Welcome! Where in Australia? I'm in Canberra though from Perth originally. There are quite a few of us on here

STICK

Hoid's gonna find a ZPM and use the eighth chevron

All my dreams have come true! 1337ception. So double-1337 Hoid can't compete. Now my mission on this site is done, I shall diminish, and return to the West, and remain so 1337 Hoid can't compete.

Warbreaker!!

Do the bear-rats like chicken?

Ha! I'm sorry Chaos. Don't ban me. I'll never talk about rep again, I promise And please, no upvotes for this, I like my jokes but I do want to earn my rep, it's a pride thing (You guys are rad though) Edit - achievement unlocked! You should definitely take back any upvotes that were related Oh and you know you're a Sanderfan when all of THAT just happened

Nah I’m not looking to compete. How could I compete against the glory of @Knitwitz with 3 posts and 46 rep. And least of all against you Calderis. You’re my bruvva from annuva Bava. Din. No, I just want 1337ception. A glorious moment in which all the 1337 comes together in a swirling highstorm of 1337.

I think that spiking into an entire population a love of eating chicken, and then denying them chicken, is the ultimate weapon. But flying bear-rats have their undeniable charm

When you've had a vague hope for 2 months that your rep count will catch up to your post count exactly at 1337, and you notice this, and then realize you care, and then tell yourself IT DOESN'T MATTER BRO. And continue arguing with yourself in this vein while you should be working.

that's cool man, I have been wondering

Oversleep is right of course. The new ending is for character reasons but doesn't change any realmatics or anything. Both editions are canon

Sorry I was in the process of adding a couple of WoBs. Here's one on point And here's the one I was looking for on metalminds having limits I've seen nothing on shape though