StrikerEZ

I guess I must be stupid because I don't really know why everyone is so sure Lum is the navigator.

So, unless I'm mistaken, our potential elim engineer is one of Xino, Ventyl, Shane, Alvron, or Lumgol. I'm gonna go through the thread right now and see how I feel about each of them. Xino: He's posted maybe five times throughout the game, and most of them have said basically nothing. He does claim to be vanilla, which doesn't really exclude him from being able to put in the sabotage. Ventyl: There's almost no way he's the engineer or an elim. I don't think he would've asked for a pinch hitter if he was an elim, because then he'd actually be interested in the game and would be willing to find ways to play when we had downtime from funeral preparations. Probably not the best way to eliminate an option, but I know how my brother acts, so.... Shane: Could possibly be an elim, since he often said he didn't have any reads on anyone, which is a pretty common elim tactic. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though because he's said he's had family stuff come up. Alvron: I'm almost certain that Devotary used Aman voting on Stick as an excuse to pretend to save Alv from getting lynched. At this point, I don't see any possible scenarios where she's not elim, but she can't be the engineer. And I think she's leading us right where she wants us to go. Lumgol: Their second post was her telling us last cycle that she requested an Aviar and got an elephant bird since the Aviary was sabotaged. There's no way to back up her claim, unless she was the one who posted the anonymous message for that day (which wasn't the case). I don't know why Aman seems to think she's so hard cleared. She easily could've come up with the fake bird claim to hide the fact that she actually sabotaged the Aviary (or the Lab). My gut's really telling me that Alv is not the right choice, and the only other option that I feel is semi-valuable is Lumgol.

I hadn’t checked his profile when I made my post. My point still stands that xino could be the elim engineer. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ventyl claimed to need a pinch hitter to make us think he hasn’t been putting in actions. I’ve definitely been able to get on the shard during brief respires from doing things for the funeral. I just got home, so I’ll be going through and rereading everything at some point. EDIT: I forgot to respond to @Amanuensis: I’m still not sure about Devotary. Her reasonings have all seemed sound enough, but I know that she’s a good enough player that that doesn’t mean much. I’m just worried that if she is an elim, she made it seem like there was a frantic struggle to not get Alvron lynched as a way to frame him. Maybe I’ll change my mind during my reread of everything.

Whelp, I’m sorry Stick. If I had been around to see the chaos that was the last couple hours of rollover, I probably would’ve taken my vote off you. Also, speaking of that: what the heck happened in those last two hours? I’ve only got my phone right now, so it makes it hard to look back at things and type a post. I’ll be going through and looking at things once I get home and have access to a computer. Preliminary thoughts: it would be way too easy for one of those inactives to be an elim. I’m super paranoid that we’re about to have a hammer on an active village player while the “inactive” elims laugh from the shadows.

I’m interested in what bird each person got because whoever sabotaged the Aviary for sure got an Aviar. So our saboteur is someone who received an Aviar this cycle. Wait. I can’t remember, @Devotary of Spontaneity, did you receive an Aviar this cycle? For some reason I feel like she didn’t. She either said she had Sak last cycle or this cycle...I should probably go back and look at her posts.... Oh, never mind, she got Sak this cycle. So...it is a little more likely that she could be the elim engineer than I was thinking.... Ugh, I don’t like making decisions like this when I’m tired. I have a gut feeling that Stick is the better target, but Devotary doesn’t have the alibi I was thinking she did. Eh, whatever, I’ll leave my vote where it is. I’ll eat my shoe and apologize to Stick if Devotary flips elim.

Okay, here’s the vote tally right now: (1) Burnt Spaghetti: shanerocks, (1) _Stick_: StrikerEZ, (3) Devotary of Spontaneity: Amanuensis, Lopen, Stick, (1) Alvron: Drake, I’m not a huge fan of the Devotary lynch, but it’s not a bad one. I don’t like that Stick’s voted on Devotary (maybe I’m tunneling on Stick), but I feel pretty good about Aman’s vote. That one feels genuine. I don’t know what to think of Lopen’s vote, but I like it more than Stick’s (man, I’m really tunneling on her, aren’t I?) I’ll have to do a reread of things before I’d ever switch my vote, and I can’t do that right now, so my vote on Stick is staying for now.

Oh, are you trying to bait them to attack you? Or maybe you’re gonna hospitalize yourself? I guess I’ll find out whatever you’re planning eventually.

I mean, I think it was a little foolish to mention it was because of role reasons. Because now the elims basically know you have some sort of important role...and you don’t have protection. You could’ve just given some other reason, leaving your role still basically unknown, but it’s too late now. You could always vote for yourself and prove your innocence (or guilt ) that way. Or, like Aman said, Devotary would be a good option too. I think there’s more against you than there is for Devotary, but if one of you is elim the other probably isn’t. So it’d be helpful if we lynched one of you two. (Hopefully we get an elim first). EDIT: Wow, got ninja’d twice. Anyway, looks like we have another tie lynch on our hands.

I guess I have the same question for you that I had for Devotary: why would your role need the protection that Sak provides? I’ve really started to get into PMs lately, so I find Kukupa to be a much better bird option, but that reasoning does makes sense. I don’t think it can be her, if she did in fact put in a request for Sak. Posting the anonymous message would require taking an action. So, either Burnt is telling the truth about requesting Sak or she’s lying to hide the fact that she did post the message.

Devotary already touched on this, but if you had received the Kukupa twins after sabotaging the Aviary, you presumably would’ve gotten both of them instead of them being randomly assigned to you and Ventyl. So therefore, since they were randomly assigned to you two, you can’t be the saboteur of the Aviary. There’s nothing preventing you from being the saboteur of the Lab, though, I will admit that. I’m just curious, why would you have requested Sak? I guess I could understand being afraid of getting hospitalized early on because of your reputation, but Sak is generally a risky bird to go for as a villager. I think most people would see Sak as having more use for the elims, but maybe it’d be useful for a power role like the Doctor, Trapper, or even a village engineer.

Oh yeah, you didn’t get on until this cycle. So that gives a pretty good alibi for you, and a half decent one for Lopen (assuming my assumption about the rules regarding the Kukupa being randomly assigned is true). For now, I’ll place a tentative vote on Stick. I guess it could be possible that she claimed Aviar early on because what elim would claim Aviar like that so early? I dunno, I just don’t feel comfortable voting on anyone else. There’s only a few people that have been consistently posting, and Stick’s the only one that’s done the most suspicious things in my opinion. (Most of Devotary’s posts have been NAI, which could be indicative of an elim trying to hide, though I’d like to hear her response to Aman’s vote on her before I decide anything about her alignment).

Okay, that makes things interesting. I was thinking that it’d be pretty easy to figure out who the elim engineer/saboteur was by figuring out who got Aviar. But, now that we know more than 3 Aviar were passed out after the Aviary was sabotaged, that makes it much harder to figure that out. I don’t think elim!Stick would’ve claimed to have gotten an Aviar so early into the cycle. I think Lopen must be cleared of being the saboteur since I’d figure that if he sabotaged the Aviary, he’d at least get to choose who he gets to PM. Therefore, I think it’s pretty likely that he just randomly got the Kukupa twins (assuming he isn’t taking advantage of the fact that Ventyl is inactive and lying). Aman apparently has a bird too, though he hasn’t said what he got yet. I think it’d best for everyone to go ahead and say whether or not they got an Aviar so we can narrow down our suspect list. Hopefully there aren’t too many other people who got Aviar, because right now our only possible options for the Aviary saboteur are Stick and Aman.

I got a non-Aviar, I think it was like some type of parakeet or something. Yeah, a Monk Parakeet. Not sure if that’s something you’d find on First of the Sun though.

It was returned before the Aviary was sabotaged. I had a PM with BR before it left though. She can confirm that.

I’ve been a little busy because of getting ready for the funeral, so I’ve just been skimming the thread lately. I’ll probably go back through and do a more thorough read of things at some point before rollover. Also, glad you’re back, Aman!

So, I guess Alv must’ve been converted if Snip was village. Also, I definitely should’ve told less people about my plans to organize a defense and told someone who had told me they were gonna defend. Probably wouldn’t have helped, but maybe we wouldn’t have lynched CadCom and gotten one of Araris or Shqueeves. EDIT: Got ninja’d.

Wait, could you post the player list? @Sart

I’m glad you’re alive. Sorry for trying to get you lynched D1. I don’t like that the lynch always seems to quickly shift around once I’m gone. I don’t know if I would’ve kept my vote on Stick I I’d been around during rollover, but I definitely don’t like how quickly the votes settled onto the three of Burnt, Drake, and Ark. I really don’t think that the lynch on him was justified (didn’t they only post stuff about not being able to spend much time on the game, or did they say that in the LG?). I feel like if Burnt and Drake were both elims, they definitely would’ve got more votes on Ark, guaranteeing a villager lynch instead of a guaranteed elim lynch. If either of them are elims, I’m leaning more towards Burnt because she was the one who tied up the lynch for Ark. Despite that, I feel like these lynches have been relatively quiet. I feel like there’d be more people voting if we had elims potentially being lynched, though they could be avoiding doing that to make us think the people being voted on aren’t elims....

Two reasons. One, there’s not anyone else I’m super suspicious of yet (besides maybe Drake, but that’s just a slight off feeling in my gut, nothing substantial to it), and two, I’d rather not get a bajillion tied lynches again (I know it was just 4, but it felt like a lot).

This is kinda frustrating. I don’t think either of Stick or Burnt have been super elim-y so far. I’ve actually really liked both of their responses to the questions asked of them. So it feels wrong to vote on either of them. But I guess we have to lynch people anyway, so I’ll go ahead and vote on Stick. I haven’t played much with Burnt, so I’m not sure how good of an elim she is, but I know Stick is a really good player and could be an elim while gaining my trust. That’s not much to go off of, but maybe my vote will get others to vote in ways that can reveal their alignment.

Okay, that's fair. Probably not the best way to choose a vote in my opinion, but it's definitely better than just choosing one player at random. I guess what I was asking was for that second part you mentioned, the feeling that he's rarely up for the lynch on D1. I see that as a valid reason to lynch someone (at least D1) while a random vote doesn't tell us much about your alignment.

I mean, I didn't think anything was weird about your post until you mentioned anything about it. Like Drake kinda said, you could've left it alone and I wouldn't have even noticed. Your response has mostly made me think that you were coming at the TWTBAW thing from an honest place though, so Stick. ....you know, I glossed over the part where he said it was random. Oops. I mean, those reads are certainly fair. I'll agree with your read on Araris, but obviously, I disagree about your read on me.

And that's why I said I had no read on you, because you hadn't posted anything worth having a read on. I'm just curious though, why did you choose Aman as your first vote? I think my reasoning for voting on him made sense, but you just kind of randomly did it. Why are you voting on Lopen out of those three? If anything, I'd vote on Stick for bringing up the TWTBAW thing. I don't think most people would bring that up unless they were a nervous villager realizing what they did was kind of weird or they were an elim trying to create an IKYK.

You see, I probably should’ve written my post in a linear order, because it would’ve made sense that way. Before I wrote the thing about Xino, I’d already written that Aman could potentially be an inactive elim. And then I was thinking Xino could be one too. But I don’t think it’s likely they both are. And if they are, then that’s probably unfortunate for the elims. Also, I definitely didn’t forget to go back through and look at your posts because I was tired and writing that post non-linearly. I don’t really have any thoughts on you either way, mainly because most of your posts have been about game mechanics and role distributions. Which, after running my game, I’ve decided can be a tricky thing to base suspicions on.

So, I have some time right now and I'm not really tired anyway, so I figured I should probably go through and give my thoughts on each of the players so far. Xinoehp512: I don't think he's even posted yet. Could be an inactive elim, but I'm thinking the odds of there being two inactive elims are kinda slim. Lumgol: Just posted once to check in so far, I think. StrikerEZ: Obviously village BrightnessRadiant: She hasn't posted much yet. I always tend to village read her, so I'm gonna try and watch out for her this game. Ventyl: I don't think he's hardly posted that much, which is starting to become a pattern for him. So, either he's noticed this pattern and is continuing it at the advice of his elim teammates, or he's village agin. Elandera NITC worker. RIP Amanuensis: Sadly hasn't been on at all since he signed up. Possibly a good fallback lynch option if we can't figure out who else to lynch since we could possibly hit an inactive elim that way. Granted, if he's village, that would make it super easy for the elims to hop on the bandwagon and remove a villager without putting themselves in much trouble. Ax's boyfriend: He's been able to post every now and then, but hasn't really contributed anything. Apparently, that's because of real life issues, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. MrakeDarshall: He's been saying he trusts Araris for Reasons™ for awhile now. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because nothing that Araris has said seems really fishy to me so far, plus I still don't know much about Araris' play-style. I'd be more concerned if I was getting weird vibes from Araris and Drake apparently wasn't. If Drake flips elim, I'd be willing to bet that his views on Araris are a way to try and implicate a village player, not an attempt to distance from a fellow elim. Devotary of spontaneity: Mark: Something about Mark's first post seems...odd to me. He seems really set on trying to get us to think that there's a an elim Doctor and an village Trapper. I don't know why he'd be trying to do that, but I don't like it. Shanerockes: He's got real life stuff, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. _stick_: I didn't think anything was weird with her until this cycle, when she started bring up the TWTBAW thing...that could easily be a villager realizing what they did seemed kinda weird and hoping to prevent themselves from getting lynched. Or it could be an elim trying to cover for a slip up. I don't think it's enough to lynch her, yet. TheMightyLopen: Nothing's stood out to me so far. Alvron: I don't think I've played with Alv enough to know his tendencies, but nothing's really stood out to me yet. Araris Valerian: Like I've kinda mentioned before, I have no real read on him either way. Burnt spaghetti: Burnt mentioned the fact that hospitalizations are probably gonna be villagers since only one of the 3 (technically 4) options she gave for hospitalizations could be because of a villager. Then she mentioned that the elims could always send their own people to the hospital. That's just an IKYK, so I'll leave it alone for now. This post took a lot longer than I meant it to, so a lot of my analysis (which I did not write in order) is kinda lacking since I started skimming through the thread once I started getting tired. Anyway, I don't feel comfortable voting for anyone yet, so I'll hold off on that.