Steeldancer

I agree with Toaster, although I also wasn't expecting everything to be resolved at the end of the book. she still has more work to do before she can swear the truth "I am Shallan Davar."

you claimed to fifth.... meehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Oh whatever. I failed to successfully roleblock anyone important so yeah.

Possible? Yes. Likely? Probably not. I'm pretty sure the extra ruin is going into atium... but tbh it's not out of the question. I just also wonder if Harmony is even aware of Nightblood...

I'm more blaming the command for the corruption. I don't think the state of nightblood is only like that because of the command, but partially. I didn't feel like sticking my positing about the Divine Breath would be very helpful in here, as I've already talked about that before. But when it comes to being connected to Ruin, I'm blaming that entirely on the command. I fail to see any other circumstances that could have created anything connected to ruin. So then, the natural progression is how much breath do you need to get something to be connected to another shard, therefore the theoretical evil peach jar.

The sentience I think is more because of the amount of investiture put into Nightblood. And it isn't so much that Nightblood draws power from nightblood... but more like Ruin is a very specific thing, and that thing is in the spirit realm as a particular shape. The command "Destroy" created a spirit web that's very similar to the shape of Ruin, which means that they then have connection, which is then why because it connects to a different shard, meaning then the investiture is corrupted. At least that is how I imagine it.

Based on the fact that it doesn't leak black smoke like nightblood does, I'm going to say it probably doesn't. That, I think was the inherent mistake when they created Nightblood. By connecting it to a Shard like Ruin, you created a monster. Just like what would happen if you awakened a jar of peaches to be connected to Preservation.

If you haven't read my first essay on the Spiritual Realm, go here. I was going to discuss some of the recent things in individual threads, but decided a new compilation of more recent WoBs and some analysis of what it means for our understanding of the Spiritual Realm. In the previous thread, you'll remember I hypothesized that the Shades eyes, when they turn red, are the same thing as with the evil Kandra and the Voidbringers. Sure enough, I was right. So I was right! This brings up several new things to wonder about. The obvious one is that there is something controlling the shades when they get angry. The obvious answer would be the Evil, but we know so little about the Evil that it is hard to say whether that is necessarily true. The second one, and the much more interesting one, is then what is going on when their eyes turn green? If the red eyes are specifically people getting hacked, then perhaps green eyes indicates some sort of partial hacking, but not completely? And who knows what could be going on with that. Either way, the eyes of the shades are weird, and very interesting. I look forward to seeing more about them. Next Brandon confirmed one of the key parts of my theories, but then proceeded to flip the tables on me. So, I think my theorizing is correct on spren being an outgrowth of that, however it doesn't seem like it is a key tenet for Roshar's environment based on his response. Now, then he says there are worlds where this goes further than Roshar, which frankly shocked me a bit, but now it seems obvious that he is referring to Sel. Now here's where things get interesting- if the Realms on Sel are closer together due to 2 shards being stuffed in the cognitive realm, how does that make the Selish environment comparable to Roshar's? For one, Roshar, due to the highstorms, have a lot more available investiture than on Sel. I mean the Dor is omnipresent, but is in general harder to access than stormlight is. Meanwhile, Sel's land is coming alive, which makes a lot of sense in the context that the realms are growing closer together due to the Dor. And then the big one- Seons and Skaze. It would be smart to ask if any two Seons have the same Aon inside of them. If they don't, then that means each Seon could basically the cognitive aspect of that Aon. Furthermore, is it only Fjordell and Elantris that have beings associated with their symbols? Are there MaiPon seons of a sort? Jindo? And how much does thought affect things on Sel, and why aren't there spren everywhere? My interest in seeing more of Sel has just exploded, and I hope we eventually get to see the Cognitive Realm on Sel. Now before I get to the last and most exciting subject for me personally, I need to mention a trait that has been coming up on Discord a lot: Connection. Is connection investiture, or is it instead a property of investiture? Does your web become bigger each time you make that connection, or is it just your web changing shape to mimic another spirit web, creating a resonance of forms? I'm not entirely sure, but it would probably be a good idea to ask brandon about that at some point. Now the last thing I'll discuss for today- Breath. I don't think I discussed Breath enough in my last thread, and recent WoB's have completely reshaped how I view Breath. Breath is so much more powerful a magic system than I think we give it credit for. Here are two WoBs that made me rethink things: The second one was an idea I had to use hemalurgy to do things like repair spirit webs, cut out toxic pieces of spirit web and such. But apparently based on Brandon's response, when Vasher uses the command to memory wipe the girl in Warbreaker, that must be actually excising a piece of the spirit web!!! And if you can do that... what else can you do with breath? I've begun to think more of breath as creating an actual spirit web based on your command. And that's where things get interesting based on the WoB about Nightblood. Perhaps when the command "Destroy evil" was given, it gave the sword a spirit web that approximated Ruinous intent, giving it some connection there- and thus making it become "corrupted." So, if this is true, someone could awaken a jar lid to "preserve peaches" or something, and it could have that connection to preservation, therefore becoming corrupted. Although, it might also be specifically the amount of breath they used to awaken nightblood combined with the command, so perhaps just sticking 10 breaths into a jar lid and giving it the command "preserve peaches" wouldn't be quite as dramatic as nightblood, but that entirely depends on how this all works. Based on what we know of the spiritual realm, I would say even a couple breaths would do the job, but once again this makes you wonder the extend of what can be done with awakening. If one can truly connect to ruin by giving something the command "destroy," what could one do with the command "keep oaths" or "grow?" If breath truly allows for connection to other shards by creating webs that naturally connect with them, this opens up all sorts of new possibilities. Furthermore one can't help but wonder how else you could make an object that is "corrupted." Soulstamping comes to mind as a way to do so as well, even if that changes the spirit web more than it creates spirit webs. And perhaps there are even ways to do it in other magic systems, and now I will spend time trying to figure out how one could do that. On that note, I'll conclude this for now, although I will update it with new subjects as I did my old one if anything new comes to mind regarding realmatics and the Spiritual Realm.

When you nearly go nuts over the discussion of Divine investiture and Adonai in Book of Mormon class.

Possibly. I don't see any evidence to the contrary.

Itiah is a bit too obvious as a convert, drought has done literally nothing all game plus some other reasons for not suspecting him, and I mainly suspect Bard based on how he's acting towards Cadcom. Lynch cadcom and we get info.

I'm not so much suspicious of Cadcom as I feel like he's currently the best option for a lynch imo.

While I feel like there is a decent chance young bard might be evil if cadmium compounder flips village, I'm still going to go with Cadmium Compounder..

Mine is the Wit theme.

Is it a bad thing that we’re in turn 5 and I literally have no idea how 4 people got attacked last night????? Anyway, that explains how coop could be a baron and an independent. Now I have to find a new suspicion. Blech.

GET HER!!!!!! oh also I know for a fact Coop is not an independent. He and I are both members of the Baron gang, and now I’m suspicious of Coop.

Wait, did Coop claim to be an independent?

I can confirm that coop has at least claimed to be healed by the Barons.

Well crap before reviewing the rules I didn’t realize how bad of a state we are in. This isn’t good.

Yup I’m going with Elandera

Huh. Well that got a bit crazy. At least we got Raoden, we’ve just got to get Galladon and the rest of the conversions, including whoever Karata was. Perhaps one of the children will know and be able to help us Lynch them.

Ah, these are the real questions we need to be asking. I say we chuck it into the well of ascension. Or in a high storm.

As aforementioned, I have been sick, and haven’t had anything TO say or vote on. I guess I’ll vote on Shqueeves . If you guys eventually decide to Lynch me for lack of content, that’s fine with me, although I’m afraid it wouldn’t do much besides eliminate a non contributor. Once again, if I come up with something intelligent to say, I’ll speak up.

Ok a bit of WoBing found this little quote And since giving away a divine breath for sure kills a returned, if a divine breath was involved, then that would mean endowment might have directly returned nightblood, whatever that would mean. Instead, a bit of discussion of Nightblood on discord has led me to some thoughts about breath, so expect a thread about the specifics of breath later today.

I’ve seen a million theories about Nightblood, but a new WoB just gave me a new idea. In essence I think the 5 scholars used a divine breath (with additional breath as well) when they made nightblood. This is why nightblood is weird. Meanwhile, Vivennas sword might just be made by normal breath.

You're not the only one. I signed up as the squid of STEEL. Also, I've been too quiet. Unfortunately, I'm also somewhat sick and tired and I have no reads whatsoever. Besides my obligatory suspicion of Alvron. So I apologize for not really having anything more to say. If I come up with anything bright to say, I'll say it. For now I'm going to go to sleep and see if maybe I can come up with some intelligent analysis in the morning.