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Thanks! I'll admit the matching intents might be a stretch, but as Fashionably said, Ati could just have strongly believed in the inevitability of change. The the real point I was trying to make is that the 16 all just strongly willed to believe that Adonal was made of 16 separate parts, not one whole being. They then used the "weapon" to reinforce their will or to bend others will to the same thought This caused Adonal's spiritual and cognitive identity to "shatter". We also know from a WoB that what Odium did to the Shards he's splintered is a smaller version of what happened to Adonal. This could be alluding to the fact that Odium just has a stronger will than the other shards or somehow "corrupts" the shards into thinking of themselves as different pieces and not one whole one. Basically splinting there intents up until they're just ambient investiture. But like I said, I'll be the first to admit that this is far fetched. I just thought of it and saw some of the pieces fit together so I thought I'd post it. The biggest thing is the vase analogy from the Stormfather. I think that there's more to that than we think, a clue to splintering/shattering.

There is no way they're taking on Franklin Richards or Hope Summers, or Jean Grey. Franklin is only 8 and is able to manipulate matter in order to create a mini-universe. He also kill billions of people with a thought. In the comics it's referenced that even though he is still really young, he's roughly on the same level as the Celestials. Also there's the fact that he stopped a punch from the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet with just his mind. The scary part is that he hasn't even reached his potential or fully mastered his powers. There is the fact that Franklin put barriers in his brain and he re-versed his age by himself so that he can have to time to mature and get a better handle on his full power. Lastly, he subconsciously teleport's his parents to another dimension cus he's having a nightmare. Same concept goes with Hope Summers. She literally has a piece of the force that kick started creation inside of her acting as a nuclear reactor, powering her up. Hope, at a young age, willed the X-Gene into non-existence then just as easily, she restored it. When Jean Grey tames and uses the Phoenix Force, she is almost impossible to stop. She can shift reality with her thoughts, she can manipulate matter, and she at one point had so much power and had so much control over it that she almost beat the Tribunal. Also, her mind is the literal Nexus of all dimensions and realities. I'll give to ya that DC would win in a straight up fight with no psychic powers. Marvel has only like two people that might have a small chance at winning a fight like against Superman. But DC would not win in an all out fight. Only counting superheros, DC doesn't have any characters that can beat Franklin, Hope and Jean. The only shot they got is if it's in the God Arc where the DC hero's become gods. But I doubt it, Franklin has killed like 3 gods. Any three could just blink anyone out of existence if they were at full power. The best bet for DC would be Mr. Manhattan, but that's still a long shot cause Franklin would just teleport him to another dimension where he doesn't have powers.

Hey guys this is my first big theory, but it's a lot of wild speculation. This just started clicking in my head so I'd thought I'd post here for your guy's thoughts, or just to tell me I'm crazy. This theory is assuming that it was Adonal Odium was referring to when he said "We killed you!) So I'll start off by saying outside of the Shards, there is still a piece of Adonalsium(calling him "Adon" in this post) alive in the Spirtual Realm, a significant piece. So let me explain my thought process on this. In OB we know from the Stormfather that all things experience two deaths( I'll get to actually analogy he uses in a bit). The psychical and then the second death when people view you as dead. I'll call the second death, thought death. So here's my wild speculation on how the Shattering happened, sorry if it's been thought of already. My theory is that Adonal experienced thought death. The 16 who shattered him no longer viewed him as a God, but a God of 16 separate parts. Odium/hate, Honor/honorable, etc. So the 16 got together, thought of Adonal as not one being but of 16 different shards each representing a attribute they thought a god should have. After the 16 pieces were created the shards went to the vessel that was closest to their Inent. Rayse was hateful and selfish, maybe the most passionate. Tanavast had a strict sense of honor and ones word. Ati, even though being regarded as "kind", he still had a sense that logically all things must end. Bavadin was the vessel that most wanted to shatter Adonal and believed autonomy was a right to all peoples. Aona believed that all things would be made better through devotion. Skai believe that to in order for the world to be civilized there needed to be dominion to prevent chaos. Leras that it was duty to preserve things that were important in life. Edgli believed that sharing with one another was the most important thing a man could do, thinking that generosity was a gift to be cherished. Uli Da is fairly simple to explain, she believed in ambition, realizing your goals and completing them. Cultivation was probably very attuned to nature and growth of it. Each thought that they would be better god than Adonal and each believed their personal idea of what a god should be was more important than the others. This must have taken real willpower to do this. I know the hole in this is that there was more than likely more people that thought of Adonal as one, and I have to solutions for this. One, the 16's will overpowered everyone's will that viewed Adonal as a whole. Second, maybe the weapon we know of was used to make everyone else think of Adonal as 16 parts. And in OB I think we have a analogy that might be a hint that Adonal experienced a thought death. The Stormfather use the analogy of the vase to teach Dalinar about the two deaths. "When a vase is broken, it is still alive. But when people stop thinking of it as a whole and focuses on the pieces'. What if this a clue about the shattering, and Brandon slipped in their as a "was kinda under your nose the whole time". People viewing the vase as whole= Adonal, people few Adonal as pieces= the 16 shards? Adonal is still somewhat alive as Adonal, not just loose investiture. This is because one of Hoid's possible plans. He's seeking out people with very strong wills in the hopes to some how bring Adonal fully back. Maybe there's evidence in the fact that Hoid approached Dalinar(Dalinar having tremendous willpower) in WoK, and just said Adonal. Two things to note here is that scene was the first one we see where Wiit wasn't his witty self and appeared troubled and distracted (maybe he had just learned about Adonal still being around somewhat). Second, why would Hoid, if he's trying to get people to see Adonal as whole, not tell Dalinar the specifics. This leads up my next thought. We obviously know that the 16 shattered him on purpose. Assuming that reason was because Adonal was doing or going to do something unspeakable(told ya, wild speculation). And maybe the reason for the shard isolation rule mentioned in the OB epigraphs, is that they were afraid that Adonal could be brought back if two shards investiture mixed. Then once they saw that they could give life with each other and interact with another without reviving Adonal, they no longer enforced the rule. This is also maybe why Odium is attacking the shards, he doesn't want Adonal to come back and he wants to be the sole god. This is why Odium first attacked worlds with two shards(we don't know if Ambition was alone), he see's as the bigger threat to a re-birth of the god he hates. Odium tells Dalinar that he can see now why he has to destroy the remaining splinters of Honor. He says he can see it becoming trouble. Could he be talking about Honor the shard still surviving and piece itself back together, maybe the help with a Bondsmith, they bind the splinters together using Spiritual Cohesion. I don't think the only reason why Odium would destroy the splinters is because he want's to be the only god. I think that Odium thinks that if Honor does reform, it could be proof that Adonal can and will return if allowed, albeit on a smaller scale cus he's missing some of the shards due to the fact that there "dead". *removes tinfoil hat* Edits and pieces of ideas I most believe in will be in bold. After coming back and re-reading this for the first time I realize how unorganized and sporadic this post is. I'll find time soon to clean up a bit and make it clearer.

I agree with everything you said. But the nail in the coffin moment for me was after he killed Elhokar, turned, and gave Kaladin the Bridge Four salute. That gesture is rich with implications, none of them good ones.

Don't! This is how trick their prey!

I think the words you are looking for, aementha, are check and mate.

Welcome to the Shard, have an up-vote. Stay away from the cookies(ALL COOKIES) and you'll be fine. If you haven't already, Coppermind is an excellent resource if you're just starting out on the forums. It's the fan made wiki that holds all the information you could want about the cosmere and Brandons other books. There is also the new Arcanum site that contains most all of the WoB's(Word of Brandons)from interviews, signings and Q&A's. I would be careful for spoilers on Arcanum if you haven't read all the cosmere books, though. Also note that WoB's are subject to change until they actually appear in a novel.

This could have to do with his Aviar. Fast travel could play well into his "hunter" mindset.

I'm not going to vote because I feel each does things better than the other. Cinematic Universe goes to Marvel, they changed the film industry landscape for ever. DC has more storied characters with great lore behind them, and the New 52 series is probably my favorite comic arc of all time(sorry lol). Now if we're talking all out fight wise, I'm taking Marvel. Jean Grey, Franklin Richards, X-Man(the mutant, not the group) and Hope Summers are essentially literal gods. Then there is all the other stacked psychic mutants that are still Omega level. On top of that you got Doctor Strange, Adam Warlock, Vision, etc. I just don't think overall DC can compete.

Just finished the Godless miniseries on Netflix. 8/10. Jeff Daniels plays an awesome villain, and it's not like the typical old western story. Highly recommend it. Speaking of Jeff Daniels, I just started Newsroom. Kinda an oldie, but so far it's terrific. Aaron Sorkin is a genius.

Finally picking up the First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. Just finished "The Blade Itself", staring in on number two today. It got me hooked, but it took longer than I expected. Ninefingers is officially in the group of my favorite fantasy characters. I also decided to take a step out of my comfort zone and try a YA novel, "All The Bright Places" by Jennifer Niven. It's about a teen struggling with clinical depression and suicidal ideations. It's a really unique and immersive take on it. Deeply sad, but also a really good read.

It was Jasnah through a majority of the book. He first on-screen appearance with the other characters was all that I hoped for. The put down of Amaram being my particular favorite. It all changed though with Taln. Very short screen time but his conversation with Ash vaulted him into my number one spot. I can't wait for his flashbacks.

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I feel that Nighblood using the stormlight of highstorm as fuel(more so than the average surgebinder) would rub him the wrong way. I imagine it in my head of him just grumbling to [spoilers]. I also imagine that if it ever got to the point where Nightblood was un-sheathed in a highstorm he would be out of control to point where he might try and "attack" the Stormfather. I don't think anyone would be able to control Nightblood if he was absorbing that much Investiture. That's all just wild speculation though.

Stormfather wouldn't be to happy with that, but not much he could do to stop it lol.

It probably hasn't been talked about in this thread, but I hate Moash. I'm working on his Coppermind page and it painful to study his content and his full-circle betrayal of Kaladin. And when I say I hate him, I mean him as a character, not how he's written. Brandon does a really good job of making characters like Moash. I don't know why, but Dalinar learning to read and write made me irrationally happy. Wit bonding a Cryptic, can't wait to read those conversations. The Taln/Ash interaction done caught me right in the feels. Taln's path back to some form of sanity is going to be amazing. Mr T, sigh.

I was going to ask the same thing, get out of my head. And this has happened before that's why Brandon says the 100% canon is the books, not what he says during Q&A's. Cosmere is always expanding and changing in his head.

This is the first theory I've seen with so much agreement, and your "Unite them" thought @Ookla, the Incalculable just caused my brain to implode. Maybe Honor was attempting to do just that and first attempted it with the Dawnshards?

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Haha, I was just posting this. I personally think only Secret History beats it out.

Soooooooooooo pumped for so many reasons. This movie is going to all about Thanos just beating up the Avengers and collecting the stones, really excited how the Infinity Gauntlet with all 6 stones is going to translate visually in the movie. Also it looks like everyone is finally going to meet up at once, which is also going to be epic. Only thing I'm not looking forward to is the likelihood of a major character death to send the Avengers reeling.

Nightblood being wielded during a highstorm would be unbeatable. That is if you could dodge the house sized boulders and not get blown away.

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Gaz is Kelsier confirmed. The eye patch is obviously hiding the spike, even though we have direct confirmation that there's nothing under the patch. We may be on to something here boys.

I don't know about that. In SH, it was pretty clear he wanted a broader understanding of the cosmere and the events that were taking place in it. A lot of things with cosmere wide implications are happening in the Roshar system. We're starting to see more and more crossovers in the novels. I don't think it'd be unheard of Kelsier to have a cameo in SA. With every book release the chances that a reader isn't aware of the cosmere or other Brandon books grows smaller, which plays into Brandon's plan of slowly revealing more of the "hidden epic". Kelsier is one of the more memorable/popular characters so far in the cosmere. SA/Roshar is the biggest story so far in terms of cosmere knowledge revealed and implications(along with other things). Putting those two together and it doesn't seem that unlikely for Kel's to make an appearance. He could be used in a epilogue with Wit and become the link that fully introduces Harmony into Roshar. The more and more I think about it, the more things I realize Kelsier can be used to make a positive impact on the story by connecting other cosmere events/knowledge bombs into SA.