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  1. cometaryorbit
    I meant "mortal" as opposed to Adonalsium or a Shard. Hoid is immortal (or at least ageless and super good at healing), but his agelessness is due to holding a Dawnshard, and those were used in the Shattering, so I don't think that was likely to have been the case at the beginning of Hoid's story. Harmony gained the knowledge of the history of the power- what had been done with the powers of Preservation and Ruin before. Not all knowledge, even about Scadrial: he could see that Rashek had moved Scadrial and changed its life and people but needed hints from his copperminds to work out what it should have been like before. He didn't learn much beyond Scadrial - only hints of Adonalsium.
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    The impression I get is that you don't "overwrite" an existing lighteyed color. I think this is further evidence that lighteyed colors are something we don't have on Earth. Brandon has stated that heterochromatic eyes are the most probable result for the children of a lighteyed / darkeyed couple, which is absolutely not Earth eye color genetics. Also, lighteyed eye colors seem more easily visible and more distinct than Earth eye colors, which are often quite dependent on lighting conditions. So I think the in-world answer is "it changes from natural eye colors to lighteyed, but doesn't overwrite lighteyed colors" and the writing reason is "it's a hint that Rosharan lighteyes aren't just earthly blue/green eyes but something related to the Investiture of the world".
  3. cometaryorbit
    Paladin Brewer (paraphrased) Are Shard Vessels able to have children? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes they are. Paladin Brewer (paraphrased) Even Sazed, with his body being a eunuch? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, though technically all of Scadrial are the children of Preservation and Ruin. Librarypalooza (Feb. 27, 2016) It's a myth, Honor could be conflated or confused with his spren or with the Stormfather, or Honor's Moon could represent any of these - in the same way we know Rosharan legend conflates Jezrien or Kalak with the Stormfather.
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    Vessels can have children - there's a WOB. And the whole "Honor's Moon" bit could suggest that the moon represents Tanavast. OTOH if you accept the theory that Siah Aimians are honorspren made Physical (a successful version of what Ishar's trying in RoW) it could represent them instead. At some point the humans took singer territory (Roshar beyond Shinovar), yes. Clearly; as in the Desolations-era visions (before singers became parshmen) we see that human kingdoms existed all across Roshar. But that might not have been the original betrayal... it might have occurred after something else made humans and singers become enemies. When did the Singers turn to Odium? Was that a response to human invasion (and the Fused turned to Odium after death then led the other singers to Odium) or an earlier response to the spren favoring humans (so those who would become Fused already followed Odium before they died)?
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    Hmm, I guess that is a possibility. Didn't occur to me. I think it is more likely not though because until 3rd Oath the spren is not sufficiently close to the Physical to become a Blade - the former Radiant's death shouldn't pull the spren closer to the Physical.
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    Well, I think there are two things there: - Once released, Ruin is an immediate threat of total destruction. - The "overthrowing a government" part is done with by the end of book 1, and in book 2 and 3 the protagonists are trying to stabilize one, which is more of a Preservation thing. And Ruin absolutely did help the crew overthrow TLR! The epigraphs of HOA make that very clear. Kelsier when alive is absolutely an agent of Ruin (Secret History makes that clear - he's far more Connected to Ruin than Preservation), but Vin is actually more Preservation-y in personality (fear of loss/change), especially after learning trust, despite being an effective killer. And Elend definitely is, and his influence makes Vin more so. Sazed is originally very Preservation before Tindwyl's death. Also (and Secret History makes this clearer) there's a difference between Preservation itself and its original Vessel, Leras. The near-mindless, half-dead Preservation we see in SH was in favor of the Lord Ruler. But Leras-Preservation's plan was good. Preservation itself is not "good" it's just less directly/less immediately dangerous than Ruin. Ultimately both are required (Harmony)... and Leras-Preservation seemed to know that when he had his full mind, and set up the Prophecies to lead to Harmony.
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    1-3. It's not clear that Navani's process is really completely unkeying the Light in the process, so it might not be usable to create "pure unflavored" Investiture. There's a WOB that it might not be 100% unkeyed in the transition (though clearly sufficiently weakened in association to make it work). 4. Who knows? Does the ability to draw on Light require a Connection, or is it more like an Identity/interference issue where no "charge" means compatible with anything? 5. Probably, if you could make it. 7. Dalinar is bonded to the Stormfather, who is very much of Honor. I don't think he's drawing on "pure unflavored Investiture" in the Spiritual Realm - I think he's drawing on Investiture that was once Honor. I actually don't think "unflavored Investiture" exists in the Spiritual Realm, or at all outside processes like what Navani's doing. All Investiture was assigned to a Shard at the Shattering, even pre-Shattering things done by Adonalsium.
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    Hmm, the tear in reality appearance of highspren as a connection to Division hadn't occurred to me. A very good point. I do think that's more of a conceptual connection than literal use of the Surgebinding power. I'm pretty sure the Stoneward spren is called peakspren.
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    The Wall/mountains connection definitely makes sense. I think so. I need to re-read the part of Oathbringer when it's discovered: I kind of get the feeling that Dalinar, given his personal history and his culture, automatically assumes the betrayal was a human invasion/conquest of singer lands, but that may not actually be the case. "Their betrayal extended even to our gods - spren, stone, and wind" doesn't really sound like a military invasion, more like co-opting the spren's relationship with the singers by giving them a better offer ("we can't provide what the humans lend/ though broth are we, their meat is men" from the WoR epigraphs). The humans also 'brought Odium' in some sense, whatever that means.
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    It might be "silver" in color but not actually composed of silver, or not only silver... perhaps something like Raboniel's silver-nickel alloy? But probably it is some kind of magical device using the properties of silver, but special because of its design in a way a normal silver chain wouldn't be.
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    There is supposed to be a pre-Shattering story with Hoid as a main character (Dragonsteel), and from sample chapters posted of previous (admittedly non-canon) versions it's pretty clear that he was a mortal with powers pre-Shattering. Also, RoW's letter from Harmony to Hoid says "You have not felt what I have. You have not known what I have. You rejected that chance - and wisely, I think. However, though you think not as a mortal, you are their kin." -- Yes, I think that part of Dawnshard implies the Shattering was accepted by Adonalsium at least to the extent of refraining from fighting back ("resignation"). Given Shards' future sight, it's hard to see how Adonalsium couldn't have foreseen and prevented the Shattering if he wanted to.
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    Not every deadeye is necessarily associated with a Shardblade. If Kaladin had died while his oaths were broken in WoR, Syl probably would have been a deadeye without associated Blade. So some of the deadeyes cared for in Shadesmar might be from a similar situation. If the Skybreakers and/or Stone Shamans collected many of the missing Blades, they might have done something to send them back to the Cognitive. (Though the Skybreakers probably have some usable ones as well... they gave one to Helaran.)
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    Oh yeah the spren existed first, and discovered they could create Radiants by imitating the Honorblade-Herald bond. I don't think it was intentionally chosen "ok I'm going to grant these Surges" though, I think it was more like "the nature of this spren means that if it forms a deep enough bond with a Physical person, this specific Surge pair gets granted". Now apparently the Knight Radiant Orders were formalized after the initial development of Radiant-style Nahel bonds, but even before that (Nohadon's time) you had honorspren granting Surgebinding, and I really doubt an honorspren of that era could grant different Surges than Adhesion/Gravitation.
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    That could be an argument for their being Ashyn era - when Odium was strictly interacting with humans, no singers involved. I agree they'd be singer-like if they were created to primarily interact with the Fused (or singers led by the Fused), but I don't think they were. No need for them there: Odium can directly talk to the Fused, and controls the other singers through the Fused. So if the voidspren were intentionally created (which the sapient ones likely were) they were created to interact with humans, IMO - either on Ashyn, or in Shinovar post-exodus but pre-Desolations. Perhaps they were used to introduce Ishar's group of Ashyn humans to Odium's influence.
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    To us it might be morally equivalent to lying... but the Stormfather is not human, especially with no bond or a weak bond. And we're told that Honor near death cared about the words of an oath not its content/morality (or something like that)... caring about exact words seems plausible for a being who was reshaped in Honor's last days.
  16. cometaryorbit
    Hmmm, I guess the fugitive listeners could count as "secret" at the very end of WoR... It might just be the Worldsingers though.
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    It might be possible, depending on what the limits are. If it is limited to Cognitive things or discrete things, then presumably not. Increasing lifespan is already a basic effect of Breath though - Fifth Heightening gives agelessness, but smaller amounts of Breath do improve health and lifespan; it's mentioned that First Heightening people live about a decade longer than usual. EDIT: which is actually pretty interesting on further thought. A decade extra at First Heightening, forever at Fifth... what do lifespans at 2nd/3rd/4th look like? Vivenna (at 3rd) says she sees two people with more Breath than her watching the Court of Gods assembly... are there 200-year-old rich people in Hallandren?
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    That was my take (that obsidian dagger/glass dagger were being used interchangeably) - obsidian is a volcanic glass. That might be influence from the Mistborn RPG though. Obsidian can be made into incredibly sharp edges, much sharper than steel etc. - edges just a few nanometers wide. It has some specialized surgical applications because of that.
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    Good eye! I did not catch that first time...
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    I took it as 'Ruin and Preservation weren't originally/fundamentally opposite, but by the nature of how they became Invested in Scadrial and interacted there they became polarized" - so a real thing about the Shards themselves but not an original one. If Ruin and Cultivation or Preservation and Odium created a planet together the same thing might happen.
  21. cometaryorbit
    Oh ok. I didn't realize it was quite that clear that the one Kaladin saw in OB was definitely the same as Raboniel's.
  22. cometaryorbit
    I am not sure all of them were intentionally created, though some probably were. Odium being trapped in the Rosharan System might have caused voidspren to manifest "naturally" - perhaps the non-sapient ones used for Regal forms. Odium was involved with humans on Ashyn so I'm not sure Ulim looking human tells us anything about the time of his origin. OTOH, when did Odium actually become trapped in the Rosharan System? It might have been later ... the Ashyn thing might have been part of his plan to attack Honor and Cultivation, perhaps he only became trapped once the First Desolation started as part of Honor/Cultivation's counterattack (it does seem from what the Stormfather says that the Oathpact was modeled on Odium's imprisonment, but the Fused existed before the Oathpact since it was created as a response to their repeated reincarnation). So Fused could even predate the Voidspren and be Odium's first real Investing in the system.
  23. cometaryorbit
    Yeah, that's how I see it. There's more there than most Shards, a mind is forming, but not sapience - yet. (If Taravangian hadn't been there it probably would have become sapient eventually, IMO.) As of RoW it's probably more like the non-sapient spren, with distinct behaviors and things it's attracted to (like painspren attracted to pain or gravity spren attracted to heavy objects), rather than the truespren like Syl or Pattern. I don't think Odium could have even left Rayse on its own initiative. The "Take me up!" part makes me visualize Odium as an abandoned puppy crawling into a new human's arms, lol.
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    I don't see how this confirms it? Raboniel is in RoW not Oathbringer.
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    I don't think the Nightwatcher has anything literally to do with death, but Way of Kings is much much older than Vorinism in its current form. It's Desolations-era, apparently in a time after spren started forming Radiant -style Nahel bonds but before the Ten Orders of KR were formally organized. The name Nightwatcher itself might have started folklore associating her with death. Although... where does the name come from anyway? It doesn't really fit with her boon/curse setup. Why isn't she the Nightgiver or Nightchanger or something?
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