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What’s this about a change trinity?

Now that I have had more time to think on things I am not AS sure about this part. It was probably a dead end. I am going back to my original idea.

Also one of the things working in Cultivation’s favor is that she has a VERY COMPLEX intent that gives her a LOT of leway in how she interprets it. And I think it’s one of the things that’s been in her favor. Speaking of I think I heard speculation that she has decided to cultivate honor’s remains so that it will turn into Unity. Well’s here’s a related idea, what if the idea isn’t JUST to destroy Rasye, but Cultivate the shardic intent and a new shardberer so it CAN BECOME Passion. Will explain more in the next post. On phone at lunch goota go for now.

I was thinking if Cultivation ever began to lose herself would her intent allow her to cultivate an heir to her shard, someone who would be able able to pick it up where she left off and continue even better at it then she had perhaps?

I thought this might be relevant Emergence Tell me that the real world phenomenon of emergence doesn’t remind anyone else of Resonance?

I ask because I was wondering if any of the sapient species of Yolen have a hive mind? I tried to think how someone like Arclo from Stormlight Archive might interpret Autonomy or any other intent, and I couldn’t help but wonder if being made up of various “cremlings” would influence things. While I don’t think they are the same species I wonderd if there could still be something similar going on here? My Dragonsteel/Yolen Knowledge is VERY POOR but I THOUGHT there MIGHT be THREE species which opens the door for one who is like this. In any case I thought it was worth mentioning on the off chance it helps.

Question: Do we know what species Bavadin is?

We don’t have a timeline for when Honor splinterd last I checked, do we?

I wonder if Kelsier helped Cultivation with this? After all Brandon Sanderson DID say he really wanted to punch Honor in the face.

copied and pasted from the other thread Continuing with Cultivation’s long game. Could the idea be to pry the more intelligent spren of Odium free from his grasp by offering something he can never give them? Empathy? I know it sounds crazy but it goes back to the idea that Someone had of Glys being a Nightform Voidspren and Venli being able to bond both voidspren and regular spren despite the fact that parshendi hadn’t been able to bond with regular spren before because their minds were to similar to the realm of spren for them to find it attractive. Yet things have changed enough in the system for regular spren to be able to bond to them despite their RELATIVELY static minds. So I thought the opposite might be true and what it might mean Odium because he is good at lieing to himself convinces himself that he is passion so he probably creates his spren to be passionate creatures yet all HE does is eat up their emotions. He is incapable of giving them what they need. This makes me wonder why Renarin might be so important Tony Atwood who did alot of the founding research on autism and Asperger’s helped describe them (at least Asperger’s I am not sure where Renarins part on the spectrum covers EXACTLY) as “barriers against negative emotions” That were never kinda happy were totally happy, were never kinda bummed were totally bummed. More importantly people on the autisic spectrum once they NOTICE someone in pain tend to be MORE empathetic then the average person. So here’s the thing wether Glys is a void spren or a corrupted truthwatcher spren who was corrupted so Sja-Anat could have a way to talk to the radiants. Odium is NOT going to offer them empathy and Renarin will. If ANYTHING can get the void spren to defect it simply this. Someone who gives a damnation about them. And THAT will be more important than all the visions of the future.

Continuing with Cultivation’s long game. Could the idea be to pry the more intelligent spren of Odium free from his grasp by offering something he can never give them? Empathy? I know it sounds crazy but it goes back to the idea that Someone had of Glys being a Nightform Voidspren and Venli being able to bond both voidspren and regular spren despite the fact that parshendi hadn’t been able to bond with regular spren before because their minds were to similar to the realm of spren for them to find it attractive. Yet things have changed enough in the system for regular spren to be able to bond to them despite their RELATIVELY static minds. So I thought the opposite might be true and what it might mean Odium because he is good at lieing to himself convinces himself that he is passion so he probably creates his spren to be passionate creatures yet all HE does is eat up their emotions. He is incapable of giving them what they need. This makes me wonder why Renarin might be so important Tony Atwood who did alot of the founding research on autism and Asperger’s helped describe them (at least Asperger’s I am not sure where Renarins part on the spectrum covers EXACTLY) as “barriers against negative emotions” That were never kinda happy were totally happy, were never kinda bummed were totally bummed. More importantly people on the autisic spectrum once they NOTICE someone in pain tend to be MORE empathetic then the average person. So here’s the thing wether Glys is a void spren or a corrupted truthwatcher spren who was corrupted so Sja-Anat could have a way to talk to the radiants. Odium is NOT going to offer them empathy and Renarin will. If ANYTHING can get the void spren to defect it simply this. Someone who gives a damnation about them. And THAT will be more important than all the visions of the future.

That’s the whole problem with Scry vs Scry

Thanks. In case I am not being clear enough too often in tragedies involving prophecy. You either meet your fate by trying to hard to fight it or by embracing the prophecy to much. By feeling it can't be wrong. I personally always felt the best idea for a story was something like a balance where you did the RIGHT thing REGARDLESS of what prophecy showed you. If that means fighting against prophecy fine, but if it means embracing prophecy you do that as well.

I think it's saying don't rely on these visions to heavily to tell you what the RIGHT thing to do is. It can be a GUIDELINE but that's ALL it is. THAT is something I can believe in.

And how often have we been told something only for it to later be flipped on it's head? that is ALL I am saying. Another possibility is that it wasn't corrupted by Odium by Cultivation. We can go on and on and on and....

Another possibility is that when he succeededs in changing the the future it isn’t by giving warnings, such as of the Everstorm, but by inspiring HOPE. If this the case Kelsier would be proud.

Speaking of... Mistborn I always the themes if Trust through Vin and Faith through Sazed as running concurrently. As though they are really just the same thing on a different scale. Even if the thing you have faith in isn’t a God so much as Game theory/Human nature/what have you.

There is something META I want to point out. Renarin changes HIS future by ACCEPTING it. BUT it SEEMS like he does not accept the future he sees for OTHERS. Like when he inspired Dalinar to seek the Nightwatcher. I COULD be wrong but this is MY take on it.

I am trying to figure out different ways that sentence could be interpreted based on the peices of information we have. Ok supposedly Seeing the future is of the Voidbringers. But now we have information that says that humans (or at least some of them) were the Voidbringers AT one point. And we also have at LEAST one other Truthwatcher (according to the epigraphs) who could see the future. Sja-Anat makes IMPLICATIONs that lead us to believe that Glys is her son but we don’t know wether we are getting the implication right or not, or if we are if she is telling the truth about him or not. All of this has MULTIPLE ways it could be INTERPRETED. I would like to talk about it.

I like your theory that Glys is a Nightform spren. It would fit the symmetry Parshendi getting acess to “human” while Humans to “parshendi” Spren.

Speaking of Cultivation she spoke of Dalinar being a GAMBLE. While not NESSECARILY relevant here I think I should point out that not ALL of Cultivations gambles are going to pay off. That’s the nature of gambles. Some will even backfire. While I am speculating and throwing out Wild mass guessing Maybe Szeth will have parallels to Socrates who was ostracized for “corrupting” the youth of Athens. Keep in mind mind Ancient Greece was ALSO a xenophobic group and their type of democracy without restrictions often led to Mob Rule and what the founding fathers of America would call the “Tyranny of the Majority”

I meant more so then OTHER shards it's a wild card. If nothing else Brandon said that Bavadin is his favorite of the original shard holders. Though weather that's a good thing or a bad thing I do not know.

My theory is that Autonomy as shards go is a bit of a wild card. A lot of shards, in ISOLATION tend toward either bad or good, but I am thinking Autonomy DOES BOTH. Because this is how freedom works. What’s more just like Autonomy has presented herself with different faces. Freedom means different things to different people. Freedom can inspire people to revolt against tyrants, or on a smaller scale it can inspire people to correct the small injustices in the world. On the other hand we’ve seen people go to extremes to get it that would scare us. And often when they get it they aren’t ready for it. That’s because it is something that takes time to strive for. Speaking of so far we’ve only se’ve the bad Autonomy has done. But I suspect that a lot of behind the scenes good work such as how Mare learned about flowers had to do with Autonomy as well. This comes back to the original title of the thread. Autonomy is the wild card of the shards. I suspect for all the bad it does it does an equal amount of good.

My thought was that the Shin abhor violence now BECAUSE they had been violent in the past. Sort of a culture wide “My god what have we done!”

I think that just speaks to his strength as an author.