Elenion
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@little wilson Ecth and I are actually on opposite teams quite a bit. The doc problem happened all the way back in LG26 or something, and since then we've agreed to not check SE in public view and to use different browsers so docs don't come up in browsing history. I've only ever kill-prioritized Ecth once that I remember, and that was back in QF20.
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The next Quick Fix game will begin as soon as MidRange 23 has finished, which should be in anywhere from 4 to 8 days by my reckoning. The next Long Game will be a little longer since LG36 started not long ago. When a new game is ready, a signups thread will be posted in the SE subforum. -
@Clanky Ecth is out right now, but I'm 95% sure that there is no vote minimum. He'll correct me if I'm wrong. General Bulletin: Please ensure that your name is in the "Player Name" field at the top of your action spreadsheet. Three anonymous players still have not done this, and we can't distinguish their actions from each other. They are using spreadsheets 5, 6, and 16.
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Reserved for rule clarifications and other businessy stuff.
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We know (well, I know), that Aster is lying about my alignment, so one of two things happened: 1. Aster scanned me, knows I'm vanilla Parsh, and lied anyway in order to get me lynched. 2. Aster scanned someone else (let's say Drake or Alv), and lied about my alignment to clean me up with the lynch and because he believed I was likely a Voidbringer. (and I guess, 3, Aster isn't even a scanner, but that's actually very similar to number 2) If Aster went with option one, he would have known that what he was doing was suicide, a 1 for 1 trade that benefits the Alethi and therefore is a good early-game move. If Aster went with option two, he wouldn't know my true alignment, and so he was making a gamble. If he was wrong, he would die and create a 1 for 1 trade like before. But if by luck I had actually been a Voidbringer, he would be widely-trusted, alive, and with an extra turn's worth of scan results. Now if I was Aster, and I had contemplated doing this before putting in my action, I would have considered the two options, and I would have taken option 2 because of the potential for a great victory and turning point. We're assuming that he had known or suspected beforehand--by gut read, logic, or Ghostblood contacts--that I would survive the lynch and that he was planning today's events in advance, but given that assumption he would have had no reason to choose option 1 and actually scan me.
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Okay, so this one? I didn't answer that one because I know that Asterion didn't scan me, because if he had he wouldn't have wanted to lie and kill himself, so therefore I know that that wasn't going through Asterion's mind.
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Which point exactly is that? You made a bunch of points either to me personally and in reference to me.
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@MegasifIs your name a pun on "totally lost"? And Araris @Araris Valerian the way you phrased your signup it sounds like your character is an ex-child-beater.
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Staying silent -- I'm saying that if the Voidbringers had claimed in the Parshendi doc, I probably wouldn't have announced that fact to the thread. I would have stayed silent, because of my doubts about the Alethi-Parsh alliance being workable. But Drake and those more optimistic about the alliance would likely have put the claimers' names into the thread to get the Voidbringers lynched, leaving only the Sons and the Ghostbloods. Therefore, even if you believe that I personally am a Voidbringer, you can know that the Voidbringers have not claimed in the doc. @Elbereth
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@Elbereth I was protected because the Alethi have us by the throat with the lynch as it is, without us losing a Parshendi voter. And you're also basing my analysis off of my guilt, making it flawed because I'm not guilty. I smelled a double-tap (and even announced that in thread), asked for protection to keep me alive and protect our voting interests, I got it, and the double-tap happened as I predicted. Also, there's a problem in your Voidbringer claiming to the Parshendi theory, in that it didn't happen. I probably would have stayed silent had that happened, because I really doubt the Alethi-Parsh alliance has much of a chance of sticking around, but Drake and probably others would have promptly put the claimers' names directly into the thread.
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There have been Feruchemical games in the past, and they've all used variants of the same sort of system. PM me if you want more details on that. @StrikerEZ
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It happened in the Parsh doc, so any Parshendi that comes around can easily verify that right after I called Orlok out for underestimating his faction numbers, I asked for a protector and received a yes a few minutes later.
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(Keeping my post short as it has not been the best of nights for me. I will return when I'm feeling more amiable, probably tomorrow. I'm going to go eat something to take my mind off of this.) I already called foul on last lynch, with Orlok purposely misrepresenting the strength of his faction in terms of kills by omitting the Shardblade (and also extra lives, but I didn't catch that at the time). The lynch then happens on me anyway, and a rogue Shardbearer then rubs salt in the wound, then Asterion lies about my alignment. I'm surprised so many people have fallen for it: do you really think that Asterion would have scanned the guy slated to be lynched and also scanned by Drake? It doesn't make logical sense. What probably happened is Aster is a Son of Honor trying to clean up the mess when Operation Murder Len failed due to a certain Parshendi protecting me after I verifiably asked for protection in our doc. Aster.
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So basically you're admitting that all of the other Alethi reasons for lynching me are just cover-ups for your us-vs-them lynch to even the numbers? Edit: you're also strategically failing to mention your Shardbearer. Is there a plan to double-tap me?
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I think the bandwagon on me right now is unwise and unhelpful. I chipped in a couple of comments about how the Alethi vote supremacy is a threat to the Parshendi, then went to bed and slept for a while, and suddenly this bandwagon shows up for no good reason. Any Parshendi has a motivation to not want a Parshendi to be lynched. The only reason for lynching me that seems to hold water is to ensure that I don't change forms, but because of the order of actions that won't work, because the lynch happens before Parshendi change forms. Lynching me will tell you nothing about what form I choose to enter, and give you no proof that I'm not a Voidbringer. It accomplishes nothing except to take away my extra life.
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I concur that Yitzi is a good lynch option right now. We could wait for the Ghostbloods to kill him, as it is in their interests to remove all members of other secret factions, but it'll probably be more reliable to just lynch him ourselves.
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@OrlokTsubodai What makes me concerned about the lynch is that you Alethi outnumber us in addition to having vote manipulation. This means that the Alethi can just direct the lynch onto whatever Parshendi they choose, and that's a barrel of a gun that I don't like staring down, so of course I'm going to seek a lynch compromise, no secret factions about it.
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Oh, now these numbers are set up differently than I anticipated. For one, the Alethi outnumber us two to one, and they have the only vote manip. I guess we do all have a second life, though, which is nice. Do any of the Alethi feel amenable to using the lynch as a Contribution Crusade tool? Each side would then have an incentive to keep their players more active than the other's, so as I see it it's a win-win.
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Person B is down by 5 gold. Everyone pays, one person wins. Yes this is blackout.
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Good point. @Roadwalker @Megasif @SamiI'm going to play devil's advocate for a second and ask:
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(Might be good to spoiler that; not everyone here has read the end of WoR) Okay, here's an ethics question for you: (Stormlight spoilers about certain of Jasnah's actions)
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Unintentional deceit, in my opinion, should be regarded nearly the same as truth, because that was the intention behind it. Sarcasm is more complex. I tend to regard it as not a lie but not necessarily truth, because the message was conveyed truthfully even by saying something untruthful. As long as it is clear that you're using sarcasm, what matters is less the words themselves and more the message conveyed. The same principle holds true for hyperbole and metaphor; for example, a person saying "I'm clumsier than an elephant" might be literally false, but it truthfully conveys the idea that they shouldn't be trusted with the fancy crystal cups, and so should be regarded as not a lie, but not necessarily the truth. (Unless, of course, the statement was intended to be a lie as a social maneuver, which is another discussion entirely). Sarcasm and exaggeration and metaphor fall into the grey area where the statement isn't capital-T Truth, but it isn't a lie either, and so I personally consider them honest because no lie was done or intended. Amen, brother.
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There are two kinds of lies: those told to benefit yourself ("I didn't do it") and those told to benefit others ("of course you look good in that outfit"). Being "honest" to most people means telling none of the first kind. Lying in a game that is based upon lies allows the game to function correctly, and so benefits others, not just yourself. Hacking another player's account and reading their GM PM would benefit only yourself and hurt the play experience of others, so that should not be done.
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IRL I try to be truthful much like you do, but I suspend that for SE. I look at it as lying being part of the game, just as if you were playing two truths and a lie or any bluffing-based card game. You're allowed to tell anybody anything. The only thing you can't do is copy-paste or screenshot a PM and put it into the main thread as proof of something. (Nobody call me out for double-posting. It's the dadgum quote glitch again)
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The Good News Thread: I'm So Excited! And I Just Can't Hide It!
Elenion replied to traceria's topic in General Discussion
@The Flash Well at least you have a girlfriend... @Left 10 AP classes? That's pretty crazy. My school doesn't even offer that many classes!
